That, combined with how I haven't seen any really important indie-devs on Wii U yet (there aren't any games in the same league as Castle Crashers, Mark of the Ninja, FEZ, or Guacamelee on eShop yet
The moment they put much more emphasis on online gaming (obviously I'm not the only one thinking about it) and a jillion more games from all the previous home consoles on VC (except Wii), it wouldn't be a failure and could actually become a potential threat for Sony and Microsoft
A little. Owners get hurt like Dreamcast owners were, but Nintendo can recover. I'm guessing it'll be like the Gamecube. Notable, but not too popular and with less game support, though Nintendo will have great 1st party titles.
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That, combined with how I haven't seen any really important indie-devs on Wii U yet (there aren't any games in the same league as Castle Crashers, Mark of the Ninja, FEZ, or Guacamelee on eShop yet
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Trine 2 isn't exactly as good as those games or many more, either.
It also doesn't help that I don't see indie games coming out as frequently as games on XBLA or PSN, either. For all of this indie support the Wii U is supposed to be getting, it sure is underwhelming.
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If Nintendo decided to abandon the Wii U, throw support behind the 3DS for the next couple of years as they worked on a new home console then yes that would matter. Consumers that threw down $350+ on the console + games would be pissed. Die-hard fans may not even purchase the next console. In the minds of other consumers Nintendo would be irrelevant in the console gaming space. I think it would open up an opportunity for Amazon, Apple or whoever to try to jump in.
If they continue to support the console, have great 1st party content, and are able to hit GC level sales and make a profit then it wouldn't be a failure. At the very least they can maintain status as a good secondary console.
I agree that abandoning the Wii U too early could really hurt relationships with consumers. But I would be willing to bet they've started thinking about that next console already, and have talked about when they should target a release. The good news is I think they can fix a lot of their ecosystem problems with simple system updates. The bad news is I don't think they're winning back much 3rd party support if any until next go around assuming they can do all the right things and attract early adopters.
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That, combined with how I haven't seen any really important indie-devs on Wii U yet (there aren't any games in the same league as Castle Crashers, Mark of the Ninja, FEZ, or Guacamelee on eShop yet
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Trine 2 isn't exactly as good as those games or many more, either.
It also doesn't help that I don't see indie games coming out as frequently as games on XBLA or PSN, either. For all of this indie support the Wii U is supposed to be getting, it sure is underwhelming.
1. A lot of people really like Trine 2 and it's pretty popular for an indie, so it still counts
2. That's more a failure of Nintendo not getting consistent indie support soon enough rather than not having it. Nintendo was way too focused on launch stuff rather than the 6 months afterwards, and gaming systems should stop doing that (Ps4's success with a not very good launch is good proof of this) Indies can't always halfway through development decide to suddenly support a new console unless they actively give them money or something. Good example is that I think Little Inferno only came to mobile or Android like 2 months ago despite being around for a year. But lots of 2014 stuff is coming to Wii U.
tl;dr it's just another example that Nintendo is doing things well, it's just taking too long to do those things
If Nintendo decided to abandon the Wii U, throw support behind the 3DS for the next couple of years as they worked on a new home console then yes that would matter. Consumers that threw down $350+ on the console + games would be pissed. Die-hard fans may not even purchase the next console. In the minds of other consumers Nintendo would be irrelevant in the console gaming space. I think it would open up an opportunity for Amazon, Apple or whoever to try to jump in.
If they continue to support the console, have great 1st party content, and are able to hit GC level sales and make a profit then it wouldn't be a failure. At the very least they can maintain status as a good secondary console.
I agree that abandoning the Wii U too early could really hurt relationships with consumers. But I would be willing to bet they've started thinking about that next console already, and have talked about when they should target a release. The good news is I think they can fix a lot of their ecosystem problems with simple system updates. The bad news is I don't think they're winning back much 3rd party support if any until next go around assuming they can do all the right things and attract early adopters.
No doubt they've started work on the next console. I'd assume they already have an estimated release date(probably 2016 or 2017). I think they have always begun work on the next console soon after they release one. Just the nature of the business. And agreed on the 3rd party support as well. Unless MK8 and Smash Bros move millions of consoles they are going to have to win back 3rd party support with their next console.
No doubt they've started work on the next console. I'd assume they already have an estimated release date(probably 2016 or 2017). I think they have always begun work on the next console soon after they release one. Just the nature of the business. And agreed on the 3rd party support as well. Unless MK8 and Smash Bros move millions of consoles they are going to have to win back 3rd party support with their next console.
I'm sure all of the companies have people working on their next "move" but that doesn't really mean anything. I honestly doubt that they'd do it as early as 2016 and frankly I think it's crazy/alarmist for people to be talking about this already. The Wii U isn't the new black but it's not dead already. Even if it is a "failure" we can be fairly sure that this year will be bigger than last year given the titles that we know of.
Also there's a bit of a "Nintendo is cool because they're unpopular" surge going on right now. Just sit back and enjoy the ride people, we have nothing in this to lose. We'll get the great games either way.
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Yeah, it certainly matters. I'm already considering getting a PS4 as my main console because of how badly the Wii U is doing. In addition, I really don't like playing on the Gamepad, so that would be an instant bonus for the PS4 (which also supports Move controllers).
It doesn't matter much if a platform fails, at least to general customers. Not many people bought GameCubes and they were crazy after the Wii. Wii owners don't care about WiiU right now ...
People don't think of a company as something in a long-term relationship. If they buy a Samsung smartphone, they won't even consider being loyal to the brand if a better Nokia device comes out.
Nintendo just has to push the WiiU as hard as they can so that it will appeal to large groups of people. They need aggressive marketing, new stuff and good prices. They will have to do something and I'm actually happy that WiiU turned out a bit as a failure, because it shows how much the market has changed and how much the company has to change. I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing more Virtual Console releases (GBA on WiiU but I'm sure it will make its way to 3DS as well), great sales (Japan is already getting those, so it's a matter of time) and cheaper hardware overall. I must say that the only thing that keeps me from getting the WiiU is its price, and Nintendo's 3DS price tags make it really difficult for me to buy their games, as I have to add 15-20$ of shipping on top of 40$ games. If Nintendo re-introduced the "player's choice" series at around 20 bucks, I would probably go crazy all over their releases, as I got all of my games at a price of 10-20$.
It doesn't matter much if a platform fails, at least to general customers. Not many people bought GameCubes and they were crazy after the Wii. Wii owners don't care about WiiU right now ...
People don't think of a company as something in a long-term relationship. If they buy a Samsung smartphone, they won't even consider being loyal to the brand if a better Nokia device comes out.
How is Blackberry doing right now? Once you lose consumer confidence, its VERY hard to get it back. Apple managed to pull it off in the late 1990's-2000's, but they are the rare exception.
@adamkop There are plenty of people who have loyalty to a company. You give people too much credit to distinguish a company as a company. Something that doesn't care about them; only their money . We see it here, as you would on any fan site, people saying 'if Nintendo quits gaming, I quit gaming'. It's because for some odd reason they have grown a personal bond with something that only had a bond with their bank account.
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I'm not in the USA so I have no idea how Blackberry is doing, but I am in Europe and as far as I know, general public is in no way interested in the history of a company, their previous products or whatever. A few years back everyone was buying Nokia phones, because they were durable and pretty cheap. Everything that wasn't European, Japanese or US-made was directly referred to as "cheap chinese crap". Even Samsung wasn't liked, because it was Korean. Right now many people buy even HTC phones just because they're cheap and offer good quality for the price.
It was even more evident in the time I was in the USA, where people just switched companies to whichever one was the more popular and "cool".
PlayStation and Xbox brands are hot now just because they have stuff that attracts the general public. Call of Duty created a long-term rift that just keeps people hanging onto them due to good marketing. 3DS suddenly became popular not because of Nintendo's legacy but because good games started getting released for it.
Same goes for Vita, which can't grab attention of Sony fans, PSP fans or anyone else that isn't interested in indie games and weird japanese releases. Apart from the forums and communities at GoNintendo, IGN, Gametrailer, GameFAQs (which is probably the craziest one) and NeoGaf there isn't a large amount of people that hold onto one company. I like my Nintendo games, but apart from that I have a Sony laptop, Samsung phone, Panasonic camera, LG tv and many many others that just give me the best value. @RancidVomit86
Many people doesn't really translate to "most" or even "considerable amount". If you ask a random buyer which company he likes the most, he will most likely answer with the one that he bought something from. People stay loyal to companies before someone gives them better value or more fun. It doesn't matter to me with videogames, because it's my hobby, but when buying a computer, phone or a camera, I look to the company that gives me the best stuff. I don't care about being loyal and not many people do. Rich can afford it, but that's 1%.
@adamkop So companies invest so much money into brand loyalty because it's something most people don't nor never will have? Rrrrriiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhtttttttt.....
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If a person sees a product with better value, there is no loyalty that will keep that person interested. Most of loyalty to a brand is performed either by the company's history of delivering good products, cheap price or other benefits that customer gets. People don't buy stuff from Sony just because they "love them". If such thing existed, Vita sales would skyrocket with Xperias or PS4s. Loyalty is when you give people a lot of good games on PS3 and they move to PS4, because they don't see any benfit from buying a competitor's console.
If a company invests into the brand loyalty, it wants to keep customer's attention when he buys something new. They do that by either offering competitive prices or some kind of a program that will give you discounts, free stuff etc.
yes, it matters to me
i want Super Smash Bros. to have a huuuge community for yeeeeaars, i don't want this game (which looks absolutely fantastic) to be completely forgotten shortly after launching due to the fact that nobody buys a Wii U
and don't mention the 3DS-version... i love my 3DS XL, but i wish they'd completely scrap Smash Bros. 3DS and focus entirely on the superior Wii U version
I think brand loyalty is a fading thing through the generations. I have some, but mainly I'm practical. The only reason I stick with Apple for my computing/phone needs is the quality of the kit. If that took a dive I'd be off the train pronto. I had zero interest in the N64 - that machine offered me no temptation at all compared with the Playstation with expensive carts and a monstrous controller that I found awkward to use. Fast forward and I was very pleased with the Wii and I'm even happier with my Wii U because I just see a sea of sameness on the other machines: 3D action games and photorealistic sports and racers.
Quite frankly if the Wii U fails because my choices are either a console populated with the aforementioned shooty shooty/sports selection or my iPad and simple pick-up-and play stuff, then I'll just hang on to my Wii/Wii U and get off the train.
No doubt they've started work on the next console. I'd assume they already have an estimated release date(probably 2016 or 2017). I think they have always begun work on the next console soon after they release one. Just the nature of the business. And agreed on the 3rd party support as well. Unless MK8 and Smash Bros move millions of consoles they are going to have to win back 3rd party support with their next console.
I'm sure all of the companies have people working on their next "move" but that doesn't really mean anything. I honestly doubt that they'd do it as early as 2016 and frankly I think it's crazy/alarmist for people to be talking about this already. The Wii U isn't the new black but it's not dead already. Even if it is a "failure" we can be fairly sure that this year will be bigger than last year given the titles that we know of.
Also there's a bit of a "Nintendo is cool because they're unpopular" surge going on right now. Just sit back and enjoy the ride people, we have nothing in this to lose. We'll get the great games either way.
Yeah that estimated date is definitely too early but I'd imagine Nintendo is further along in their plans than Sony and MS given we are looking at a 5-6 year life cycle(based on previous consoles) compared to what will likely be a minimum of 8 years for MS/Sony(and I'm thinking they would prefer these consoles to last at least 10 years). I'd think a 2017 reveal with a 2018 launch isn't all that crazy.
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