Topic: Do you think Nintendo regrets selling their 49% of RARE to Microsoft?

I am aware that Activision owns the rights to the Bond license. According to MundoRare, the same source that broke the GoldenEye XBLA story, Activision was more than willing to put their stamp of approval on the project. It would have been easy money.

The thing about the original is it came out late in the N64's life span AND IT STILL sold 3.2 million copies.... So yes man, I think that could be expected.

So yes, I think it could have out performed Wind Waker in 2003.

Christmas 2003 it could have help sell another 400,000+ Gamecubes worldwide and narrowed the gap with the XBOX of about 1 million units at the time. It would have been a competitor to Halo if done right, instead Nintendo decided it didn't need an FPS franchise, which I'm still bitter about.

Where in the world are you getting your numbers from? Perfect Dark as an entire franchise has sold that much, not a single game.

You're still ignoring that the game had just started development right before the Rare aquisition; there is no way it would have been ready by then. You also seem to not realize that almost all of Rare remained on staff, and did not leave when being bought by Microsoft until years later. Perfect Dark Zero would have come out during 2004 at the earliest to largely the same critical reception PDZ got on the 360, since it would have been the same game, just more limited in scope (which doesn't exactly help its case).

You have got to realize that when Halo: CE came out, the nature of FPS games changed. Not many people would not have bought Gamecubes for PDZ with better FPS options.

@WiiUOnly Huh, I was unaware of that. I hope it comes to fruition soon.

You're still ignoring sales figures, there's no way PDZ for Gamecube would have been a mistake in that regard. Nintendo gamers knew what to expect from Rare and would have certainly bought the game.

Actually much of the staff left long before 2005 rolled around. Eight people from the original Perfect Dark team were working on the game when the sale went through. Rare generally worked in small teams and would have added only 14 or 15 more people to the team later in the development cycle. Some initial model work was completed as well. By 2004 yes, much of the team had left, and were frustrated with Microsoft. XBOX 360 PDZ was largely from scratch and rapidly developed in a year. Perfect Dark Zero for Gamecube would have been given far more time.

Microsoft ended up delaying the game and having it cancelled for a hastily rushed Xbox 360 launch title. Final develop for the game was rapidly rushed. The Xbox and Xbox 360 gamers wouldn't have appreciated the game to the same extent as Nintendo gamers did anyway even if it was as good as the original. If Rare had continued on its steady path PDZ would have been out Christmas 2004 at the latest [Halo 2 competitor?] and been extraordinarily well-received, just like the first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_64...

I've also seen a lower one of 2.5, and that is the lowest out there. The game sold very well despite it's late release.

but Nintendo was already competing with Halo with a GCN game. It's called Metroid Prime, 2 specifically. Anyone who remembers the marketing of the game knows exactly what I am talking about.

Stop this.
Stop.
For the love of Jeebus, stop.

Wasn't a true FPS and everybody knew it.

Clearly someone doesnt know the meaning of First Person Shooter.

To those who wonder whether Metroid Prime is an FPS or not, it isn't. It's a first person adventure game, although @kkslider5552000 is correct in that the advertising for Metroid Prime 2 was aimed to fight Halo. Granted, that didn't really help it much...

Now, I feel the biggest point of this debacle needs to be addressed once more; it wasn't wholly Nintendo's decision to cut off Rare. If we're to look at the sides here, it's more Rare's decision that they went to Microsoft than NIntendo. Microsoft offered to buy Rare's stock (the Stamper Brother's 51% that included their IPs), and Rare decided that it was best to sell. Microsoft was also willing to buy Nintendo's part of the pie in Rare. This left NIntendo with three choices:
A) Offer to buy the 51% that the Stamper Brothers owned and let Rare decide where it would go
B) Keep their 49% so that Rare could continue working on Nintendo's IPs
C) Sell their 49% to Microsoft

Now, seeing as how Microsoft was buying the rights to Rare's IPs and to use the company for said IPs, I doubt NIntendo regretted the decision. Option A was too costly, while option B just wouldn't prove worth keeping their stakes.

Also, Nintendo never exactly owned Rare. Their 49% in the company ensured that Rare would only develop games for NIntendo platforms, but Rare was still a company that could make their own decisions. That's what made them 2nd party. Since someone else was willing to buy Rare, the company decided to sell. Retro Studios is not a second party game studio; since they are fully owned by Nintendo, they are first party. The same case as with Rare and Microsoft now. Because Microsoft owns 100% of Rare, they are first party.

Nintendo is obviously doing pretty well without Rare, so no.

I think Nintendo dropping Rare was a good decision, I have to admit I miss Banjo and Conker, but now Nintendo has other big guns helping them out like Retro Studios, and Platinum Games.

And not to mention the creators were the ones who ultimately sealed the deal by selling the majority to Microsoft. The company was headed downhill either way

we are still disscussing this i forgotten about this seriously xD i do miss rare but we moved on and doing really well :3

I think it'll be Rare these days if RARE actually made a game that isn't a mini-game collection.

I think it'll be Rare these days if RARE actually made a game that isn't a mini-game collection.

I think the only thing Nintendo would regret selling is Retro (or any Japanese 2nd Parties)

I'm bitter about it, too. 1.) Nintendo would've helped Rare with the game making it a better game, and 2.) Nintendo wouldn't have rushed the game like microsoft did. If anything, Nintendo would have delayed it.

I was so excited with Perfect Dark when it came out. Nintendo had it's awesome, exclusive first person shooter for all the FPS fans. Now, without PD, what does Nintendo have? Nothing.

The video game industry sure does suck sometimes.

Eh I dunno about Retro. They really haven't done anything lately that's been revealed. Hopefully this will change by the next e3