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Topic: Do gamers underestimate the impact of a quickly replaced console that hasnt fully satisfied customers?

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blaisedinsd

Like others, I fail to see how a new console fixes Nintendo's Wii U problems.

Possibly it's more powerful. Possibly it has a new gimmic.

I don't see either proposition as fixing a problem of the Wii U. The Wii U is powerful enough for the games Nintendo makes and (while not impossible) I fail to see a new gimmic being a home run....I sense their audience is weary of gimmics.

The Wii U's main problem was it was too expensive relative to it's power because the gamepad was expensive. Basically the Wii U is a traditional console in most ways....if people don't like the gamepad their is the pro controller....with Wii BC and peripheral support.

A price cut on Wii U (which in my view it has never had...it's always been $300 for a new console) is what is needed more than anything. Second is more games....they missed an opportunity if the console made Wii games look better or even just releasing more HD remasters of Wii games (these could have been done more lazily than the Zelda games).

I don't see Nintendo releasing a PS4/Xbone clone trying to match their 3rd party support and I don't think that is a recipe for success either because brand image.

I am content with Wii U and want more games for it, we haven't even got our AAA Mario or Zelda game yet. There has never been a 3D AAA mario or zelda in HD. Why are we talking about what's NXt?

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TuVictus

I know 3D World wasn't the best, but I think it very much counts as a AAA Mario game lol

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Monkey_Balls

@GerudoKing Look at it from Nintendo's point of view: when they released the Wii U, they didn't see it as an underpowered machine - they viewed it as the mature HD console the fans had been screaming for. And it flopped.

Considering Nintendo's philosophy and history, plus mistakes learned via the Wii U, I think they're more likely to revert to norm and aim the NX (whatever it is) at the casual market. If I'm wrong, then fine (and I'd gladly love to be wrong), but all the signs are there.

GerudoKing wrote:

I see no sense in replacing an underpowered machine... with another underpowered machine.

Exactly. I'm sure many fans share that view, hence me saying they could be underestimating the situation. I see no sense in replacing a failed, mature machine with another mature machine. And I'm sure Nintendo think likewise, especially when they attain more sales from the casuals and have more success being "Nintendo-like" rather than trying to compete with the big two (something they've never wanted to do).

It's all speculation of course. I'm just wondering if gamers are setting themselves up for disappointment by expecting a powerhouse console from Nintendo, that's all.

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OneBagTravel

It's annoying when a console doesn't last a decade. Look at the GameBoy and the Super Nintendo. Amazing catalog of flushed out games.

The thing that really grinds my gears is when people ask the question "Should I get a Wii U or wait for the NX?" Are you gaming just to play the next big thing or are you gaming to have fun? Buy the system that has a killer AAA game list and backlog. That question is only valid when someone would ask "Should I buy the Wii or the Wii U" today.

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SKTTR

I anticipated the Wii U because, full HD, amazing graphics, no limits on downloadable titles, much better browser.

With NX I don't know. It's too soon because Wii U is the best Nintendo console ever. It already has everything to be wished for. If just more people and devs could see it.

VR is too soon and too expensive,
Ultra HD is too soon and too expensive,
and a Hybrid is likely too soon and too expensive as well.
If those will ever be a thing.

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blaisedinsd

Operative wrote:

I know 3D World wasn't the best, but I think it very much counts as a AAA Mario game lol

It's a AAA mario game and I really enjoyed it but it's really 2.5 D and not fully 3D. It is not a successor to 64, Sunshine, or the Galaxy games. I seriously hope Mario U-niverse is announced at E3 because it would just be a crying shame not to have fully 3D HD mario on this console.

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TuVictus

Yeah I totally agree

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Octane

@blaisedinsd: It's 3D...

2.5D doesn't exist and is a stupid term anyway, but it's used for 2D games with 3D models, like New Super Mario Bros. U or Smash Bros. or any other non-indie 2D platformer these days.

I get your point though, the formula is very similar to a 2D Mario game, but in all honesty, that was the direction the 3D Mario games were heading for anyway. Mario Galaxy had a far more linear level design than 64 and Sunshine. Galaxy 2 almost ditched the HUB world and opted for a level selection screen similar to the 2D Mario games. I think it was just the next step. I wouldn't mind seeing another game like 64 and Sunshine though. It's the reason why I love Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker so much; It's not a 3D Mario adventure/platformer, but it was the closest thing we've got so far.

That being said, I did enjoy 3D World a lot.

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DefHalan

@Octane: I completely agree with you

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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TuVictus

Octane wrote:

@blaisedinsd: It's 3D...

2.5D doesn't exist and is a stupid term anyway, but it's used for 2D games with 3D models, like New Super Mario Bros. U or Smash Bros. or any other non-indie 2D platformer these days.

I get your point though, the formula is very similar to a 2D Mario game, but in all honesty, that was the direction the 3D Mario games were heading for anyway. Mario Galaxy had a far more linear level design than 64 and Sunshine. Galaxy 2 almost ditched the HUB world and opted for a level selection screen similar to the 2D Mario games. I think it was just the next step. I wouldn't mind seeing another game like 64 and Sunshine though. It's the reason why I love Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker so much; It's not a 3D Mario adventure/platformer, but it was the closest thing we've got so far.

That being said, I did enjoy 3D World a lot.

Yeah that's pretty much how I feel, too. Galaxy should have been a sign. Though my issue with 3D world is that it doesn't seem designed for single player. At least with the Galaxy games, the obstacle courses were very tight and super fun since it was made for one person. In 3D world you, understandably, have these big empty spaces to accommodate 4 potential people. It's the same issue I had with Return to DreamLand, and why Kirby 3DS is so much better than it in my book.

Though if they added online multiplayer in the next one, I would totally be on board for another 3D World, lol.

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blaisedinsd

3D World is the successor to 3D land.

It is a separate Mario franchise compared to Galaxy 1-2, 64, and sunshine. It is not a replacement.

3D world you can play with a Dpad.

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blaisedinsd

shaneoh wrote:

blaisedinsd wrote:

3D world you can play with a Dpad.

Same with 64DS

IS that sarcasm? Maybe YOU could, but I could not play that game on DS because the controls were so bad.

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Dezzy

I'm not unsatisfied with the Wii U. I think it's already had as many good games as the Wii did. After Twilight Princess, Star Fox and Zelda U come out, I'll be more than happy with it as a good value purchase.
I didn't ever pay full price for it though. I never do with consoles. I wait a year and get a cheap used one usually. Try doing that in the future! Less of a gamble.

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shaneoh

blaisedinsd wrote:

shaneoh wrote:

blaisedinsd wrote:

3D world you can play with a Dpad.

Same with 64DS

IS that sarcasm? Maybe YOU could, but I could not play that game on DS because the controls were so bad.

NO it's NOT sarcasm. The controls DIDN'T bother ME that much, that they did YOU is IRRELEVANT as the game CAN be played WITH the dpad.

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Shinion

@OneBagTravel: yeah it's kinda a pathetic thing to see happen over and over when people say upon the launch of, or within the first year of, a new console "I ain't buyin' this POS now it's got no games" THEN say 3-4 years later after many, many great games are available "I ain't buyin' this POS now it's a dead console and the next one's right around the corner". Make up your minds you Goddamn simpletons.

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GrailUK

Concern 1: It is difficult to future proof something when it is released 'mid generation'.
Concern 2: If they wait till the next generation, they will lose more ground and miss the FFVIIr fever.
Concern 3: Are Nintendo chasing the next fad or are they catering for the 'hardcore' (is it so hard to cater for both?).
Concern 4: Not too sure where my car keys are...

I for one cannot wait to hear about their new concept. I am really glad I am not the one getting paid to decide when to release it! The only thing I can offer that makes sense to me is, if the NX is a more traditional console (and this hybrid talk is still rather conventional if you are honest) then they need to wait for the next gen and trump everyone out of the starting blocks. If it is based on this new concept malarkey, then I think they need to release it asap to trump everyone asap but for the love of God, let the hardware be relevant to modern gaming aswell.

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Octane

blaisedinsd wrote:

3D World is the successor to 3D land.

It is a separate Mario franchise compared to Galaxy 1-2, 64, and sunshine. It is not a replacement.

3D world you can play with a Dpad.

So.. Skyward Sword is a separate Zelda franchise because the game used motion controls?

Octane

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