I think some sort of loyalty program for people who owned a Wii U is a good idea. Obviously, Nintendo needs to expand its horizons to targeting a larger audience, but it should also try to soften the blow of transitioning to a new piece of hardware as much as possible for the people who do own a Wii U.
@TingLz: The Microsoft screw ups are the reason why the PS4 is outselling the XB1, mistakes are long lasting. A Nintendo example of that is naming the Wii U, the Wii U rather than something that would suggest successor.
And sitting on a console that's selling meager numbers is supposed to fix this
It's not, but it's not making the situation worse either. Wii U has sold consistent numbers throughout the years, there's nothing to suggest that this year will be any worse than last year, or 2014. The userbase is only a little over half of the GCN userbase, but software sales are almost equal. Which is impressive, but even more impressive if you consider that the Wii U is barely three years old. Nintendo didn't lose money of the GameCube, and I don't think they will lose money of the Wii U.
Are there issues on their home console front that need to be fixed? Yes, plenty of issues. But a new console isn't going to just fix all of that. I'd also argue that releasing a new home console this year is a very risky move. The PS4 is dominating the market, and this will probably be its best year. Nobody wants that kind of competition during launch, the most important period of a console's life.
The 3DS on the other hand.. Sales are declining. It's almost 5 years old (12 days away) and the tech is dated. It's a market they need to adress with something new sooner than later.
Honestly I didnt expect my sentiments to resonate with others. Let's dispel with this fiction that Nintendo doesn't know what it's doing. They know exactly what they're doing
@shani The 3DS definitely has more Nintendo games coming for it than the Wii U does.
Yeah because they're a lot easier to produce. Developing a 'real' game for Wii U (not talking about small indie games) takes a lot more ressources (developers, time, money) than developing a little 3DS game. Many of the newer Nintendo 3DS games are ports of Wii or Wii U games anyway or easy-to-produce titles like Paper Jam.
All the Nintendo news are full of stuff like Nintendo Badge Arcade, and I'm not even sure whether that's even a game or not.
And sitting on a console that's selling meager numbers is supposed to fix this?
If they know Nintendo is failing with the Wii U, why would they think that Nintendo is doing a BAD thing by trying something else?
I know you hve commented after this but I wanted to address this. Nintendo needs to fix other problems before they need to worry about supporting another system. Having that time to work out kinks and really do their research to deliver a better product would be beneficial for everyone. Gives them time to rebuild their image and create a product people want, and probably something they do not expect
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
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The way I see it: most people want the NX to be a home console that comes out this year so they wouldn't play Nintendo's games on "a sub-par" or "last-gen" console. These people have it stuck in their heads that somehow the NX is this perfect console that will magically alleviate the problems Nintendo had with the Wii U while giving them (the people) the Nintendo experience they yearn for.
I think it's Nintendo's best interest to release a hybrid console. Most pro-NX/2016/home console turn to Wii U sales to argue that the NX is a home console; yet, they forget that Nintendo's handhelds have a far higher chance of selling more units than its home console. There's also the third party issue. Anyone who is thinking they'd get to play a home console complete with the third party games they want this year is... well...
@Vee_Flames: I've noticed that a number of times myself (referring to your first sentence) where peoples' comments about NX involve slagging off the Wii U and Nintendo's output on it, but then they seem to crave backwards compatibility on NX or remasters of the best Wii U games on NX. I don't know if these people are just too stupid to notice their ridiculous contradictory thoughts or if this can be taken as a compliment to Nintendo that even the haters can't deny their wanting to play the great Nintendo games. It seems the Wii U itself is the biggest obstacle for these people that they want the games but not the system. Kinda like when you visit your grandparents who you don't like just so you stay on their thoughts in time for your birthday or Chrsitmas, they just want it handed to them wrapped up and ready to go.
And sitting on a console that's selling meager numbers is supposed to fix this?
If they know Nintendo is failing with the Wii U, why would they think that Nintendo is doing a BAD thing by trying something else?
I know you hve commented after this but I wanted to address this. Nintendo needs to fix other problems before they need to worry about supporting another system. Having that time to work out kinks and really do their research to deliver a better product would be beneficial for everyone. Gives them time to rebuild their image and create a product people want, and probably something they do not expect
I did. They do need to make a slow transition, but they won't fix their image as long as they sit on the Wii U. It's one of the main reasons their image is tarnished at the moment.
I suggest making a big-profile reveal for the NX to get buzz and hype going while fixing some things behind the scenes.
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@TheLastLugia: I know that some of those don't own a Wii U and see the NX as an upcoming solution; As it would play new NX games and Wii U, either via VC or remasters. I never understood that train of thought, but oh well, I'm not the one going to be disappointed when everything is revealed.
The question for me is, if 3rd party is likely not going to be a huge thing on nintendo consoles anymore, does nintendo need a hardware update? WII U is HD and is capable of displaying some amazing graphics. I remember reading quotes about nintendo rather using withered technoligy or something like that. Is that really going to change now? Would Nintendo even be able to handle the bloated costs better graphics standards come with?
I don't think Wii U owners will actually be the problem when the Wii U gets replaced. The issue Nintendo has to address is their overall image. Nintendo doesn't need to continue with the Wii U because Wii U owners aren't satisfied, they need to continue with the Wii U to get the idea of Nintendo quickly releasing a console, out of people's minds. They need to make people see that Nintendo is in it for the long run and won't drop a system the second it isn't doing well. A new console won't fix their problems, unless everything comes out perfect with 3rd Party releases, no delayed games, perfect messaging and advertising, along with Sony and Microsoft not having anything to combat the hype... which is pretty much impossible. Nintendo needs to fix their image then release a new console.
And we need to inform these ignorant people that the Wii U is approaching 4 years and it has not done well in 4 years. Heck, from what I've seen, a lot of comments suggested that Nintendo is doing the right thing. Why would anyone sit on a "failing" product hoping for it to succeed?
Gotta agree with this. A new console won't necessarily fix their problems but dumping their worst failure since the virtual boy certainly won't hurt them any more. Plus, 4 years is pretty decent, and everyone here is always talking about how amazing the Wii U is and how under-appreciated it is. Sounds to me like most Wii U owners are more or less satisfied. I'm pretty sure most of us are gonna get the NX whether it's released this year or 2 years from now and say what a good move it was from Nintendo regardless.
@Operative: What's the point of a new console if it won't fix their issues? It will be the Wii U all over again. Except that we need to buy another console instead of using the same one for another year or two.
Everything needs to work in their favour if they want a chance at another succesful home console. The PS4 in 2016 won't be in their favour and they're better off waiting another year. Also, the 3DS is as good as 5 years old and they need to do something on their handheld front as well. They can't just forget about that market, especially since it's bigger than their home console market.
A 4-year lifespan isn't the main problem. It's not in their favour in the long run, but there are bigger problems if they want to succesfully release a home console this year. I want them to succeed, but that's not going to happen this year.
@Octane: Yes I agree with that too. But my view, from a business perspective, is that they need eyes on them now. Sure, it might not hurt to keep the wii u around, but when something is doing badly, you want to appease investors by bringing out something newer and better.
The 3DS seems to still be doing fine, but I could also see a new handheld being released as well
3DS units in millions sold per fiscal year (launched in Japan in 02-2011; worldwide: 03-2011):
2011: 9.43
2012: 13.53
2013: 13.95
2014: 12.24
2015: 8.73
2016 (Q1-Q3): 5.33
January sales were less than last year and with no hardware boost in February, hardware sales are expected to be a lot lower than last year. Hardware sales were even down by 50% during the holidays in 2015 compared to previous years.
Nintendo even made the following quote regarding the 3DS sales last year:
During the fiscal year ended March 31, 2015, for Nintendo 3DS (3DS, 3DS XL, 2DS, New Nintendo 3DS and New Nintendo 3DS XL), New Nintendo 3DS/New Nintendo 3DS XL, launched as the newest members of the Nintendo 3DS family, got off to a good start and continued to sell well, while the sales of the Nintendo 3DS hardware prior to the launch of New Nintendo 3DS/New Nintendo 3DS XL did not grow as anticipated, and the global sales of the Nintendo 3DS family hardware were 8.73 million units.
3DS sales have been slowing down since last year, even Nintendo is aware of that. This year is getting close to Wii U numbers, which is pretty low for Nintendo's handheld device. It's not terrible, but it's everything but fine. The Wii U on the other hand has shown consistent hardware sales: 3.45, 2.72 and 3.38 million units. 3.40 million is predicted for the end of the upcoming fiscal year. They're not losing any more on their home console front than they did during previous years. Sales haven't necessarily peaked, but they aren't on a decline either; however, the 3DS is.
Do gamers underestimate the impact of a quickly replaced console that hasn't fully satisfied customers?
Yes, but maybe not for obvious reasons. Most of the NX hype is by core gamers hoping for a powerful machine to compete with PS4/Xbone, so of course they can't wait for it to be released (rather than moan about being burned regarding the Wii U).
I have a feeling they'll be disappointed though. For every die hard fan wanting an epic Metroid/Mario, there are ten regular Joes wanting the next Just Dance/simple Mario platformer. That is why I suspect the NX will be an under-powered machine aimed at the casual market.
So gamers could be underestimating the impact of the Wii U being replaced... with a casual machine. The consequences? The core fans will bitterly complain, but that won't matter because they aren't Nintendo's target audience anyway.
@Monkey_Balls: Just like everyone else, I have no tangible idea what the NX will actually be. But I see no sense in replacing an underpowered machine... with another underpowered machine. This is assuming the NX even is a home console, of course.
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