Topic: Do gamers underestimate the impact of a quickly replaced console that hasnt fully satisfied customers?

@jariw: well I think the first issue with that comment is that Nintendo apparently never cared about the Wii U. I'd like to see the reasoning behind that myself, it'd be a good laugh if nothing else.

@Grumblevolcano: One issue with this. Saturn lasted about three years. The Wii U is reaching four. So even if Nintendo were to announce the NX this year and release it on next year, I don't think people will complain much seeing as how Nintendo is the only one that supports the thing.

Also, SEGA cancelled Sonic Xtreme but Nintendo as of now hasn't really cancelled any Wii U games yet. You have to understand that SEGA's tech isn't really all that powerful compared to Nintendo back then. Most of the things SEGA did was foolish at the time and even now. What idiot would extend the life support of the SEGA CD realizing that the thing itself is a complete disaster?

And money wise, Nintendo is far richer than what SEGA was and even is now so the fact that them going to the SEGA route is really plain stupid. The amiibo itself is making Nintendo lots of bread for crying out loud.

@Socar: This thread isn't about announcing NX this year and releasing next year. It's about the rumours strongly suggesting announcing and releasing this year.

I don't think Wii U owners will actually be the problem when the Wii U gets replaced. The issue Nintendo has to address is their overall image. Nintendo doesn't need to continue with the Wii U because Wii U owners aren't satisfied, they need to continue with the Wii U to get the idea of Nintendo quickly releasing a console, out of people's minds. They need to make people see that Nintendo is in it for the long run and won't drop a system the second it isn't doing well. A new console won't fix their problems, unless everything comes out perfect with 3rd Party releases, no delayed games, perfect messaging and advertising, along with Sony and Microsoft not having anything to combat the hype... which is pretty much impossible. Nintendo needs to fix their image then release a new console.

@DefHalan: Well that was the issue with SEGA, the Dreamcast had a great lineup but because the Saturn was abandoned so quickly people didn't buy the Dreamcast because of the chance of it being abandoned very quickly too.

Your initial post is really contradictory. You claim you don't care about [codename NX] and want the Wii U to live on longer yet you write about it as if you wanted the opposite.

Why are you writing about the Wii U in the past tense? And why are you believing those unfounded rumours that [codename NX] will be released in 2016? Every reasonable person knows that [codename NX] won't be released before 2017. It's totally evident if you look at the facts, which are:

a) Iwata's inital statements when he mentioned it the first time during the DeNA announcement. He mentioned the next console prematurely just to prevent rumours stating that Nintendo would abandon consoles. That was the sole purpose, otherwise Nintendo wouldn't have mentioned it at all for 1-2 years.
b) the announce-release cycles of all the previous Nintendo consoles. Go to Wikipedia and look it up (somewhere in a comment I actually compiled all the dates).
c) the fact that the next console doesn't even have an official name, 'NX' is just the codename (as 'Project Dolphin' was for the GC and 'Revolution' was for the Wii)

Besides, you're also wrong in assuming that [codename NX] will replace the Wii U. That has never happened before. As with previous generations, the two will coexist for quite a while.
So all your anger is really unfounded and unnecessary.

And sorry to say this, but I think you had no right to attack @TheLastLugia regarding his language-related comment. I'm also not a native English speaker and I actually think your English is totally fine.
I think what TheLastLugia meant - and what also caught my eye - is that you had a lot of unnecessary spelling errors that don't stem from a lack of knowledge but from a lack of attention/spellchecking. Here are some examples from your posts: "nintendlifer" "nintrndo" "picturr".
It has nothing to do with being native in English or not. It has to do with proofreading your post before sending it (or at least editing it afterwards, that's what I do all the time). So in that regard, I don't think it was a low blow from TheLastLugia, but rather a justified objection.

Oh and to go back to the thread's title: I'm fully satisfied with the Wii U so far, it's the best Nintendo console I ever had (and I had all home consoles since the SNES). Besides, you're totally ignoring two major upcoming releases, The Legend of Zelda U and Starfox Zero. From my point of view, the Wii U is still very alive, at the very least until those two games are released. And then for 2-3 additional years, because that's how long it usually takes me to complete a Zelda game.
Besides, I haven't even remotely finished my current Wii U games (partly Splatoon's fault), for all I care, I have still many years of gaming left on my Wii U.
But even if I finished all of them during the course of this year, I would still be very busy with Starfox and the new Zelda. And after I have finished those two, I can die a happy man.

And you're basing this on what exactly? I hate it when people just let themselves get influenced by some unfounded rumour they caught somewhere and then go on to make some totally untrue assumptions.

Exactly! Aside from that, I doubt that Nintendo really needs the sales numbers, they have amassed so much wealth through their successes over the years, the most recent examples being the Wii and Amiibo, that they will be fine for several generations to come. Nintendo doesn't need mainstream success.

So what? Those rumours are totally unfounded and have no meaning. I can also spread a rumour that earth will be destroyed in 2016 and that the sun will die in 2017. But that doesn't make it true, does it?

I think the WII U has a lot of power left behind it but the sales are so poor, NIntendo's plan is to market something new and fresh. It's just not selling as well as it should, but I don't know if intro ducting a new console is the right decision. I personally still like the Wii U a lot.

@Rexcalibr: I think that Nintendo is forced to stick with it untill WII U leaves a strong postive vibe towards its current users. It may be why Nintendo is expanding. Because this WII U/3DS era has shown nintendo that they cant just rely on their own platforms when things can go wrong. And if it did, there has to be something else to back them up so they dont have to go with desperate measures. I hope that doing the mobile stuff/amiibo and potentially more is going to be done to prevent them from going with desperate measures. I would hope so

I don't understand why gamers would buy a console until there's enough games on it to satisfy them. I don't buy consoles at launch, only when there's enough must have games on it.

Nintendo should be well aware of Sega, and they're bound to be careful to avoid a Dreamcast situation. At the same time, the Wii U is doing poorly and Nintendo needs something new that'll sell.

Ninty have something new to sell, Amiibo. I'm looking forward to people's shock that the NX is just a home gashapon machine and you have stock up with amiibo.

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I wouldn't be too concerned. If the rumours surrounding the NX are true, that they are pointing towards the NX being as powerful as PS4 and XBox1...then following current Nintendo trends, the NX will not launch until 2020 when PS5 and XBox2 are released!!!

And we need to inform these ignorant people that the Wii U is approaching 4 years and it has not done well in 4 years. Heck, from what I've seen, a lot of comments suggested that Nintendo is doing the right thing. Why would anyone sit on a "failing" product hoping for it to succeed?

I'm satisfied with it. Obviously I'm disappointed that this cycle was so short, but I don't expect Nintendo to just keep trying to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic, either. For my part, I already own a pretty strong library for this system, and there are still several games I'll likely end up getting.

Playing devil's advocate here: the Wii U isn't really Nintendo's problem. Marketing, limited development resources and troubled third-party outreach are. The NX will obviously give Nintendo another chance to strike gold, but if they haven't learned anything from the Wii U's more troubled years other than the fact that they do have to play the power game to some extent if they wish to survive in the modern video game market as a hardware developer, the NX will crash and burn as well.

@TingLz: Because it may have left a bad taste in people's mouth. Even those that bought the WII U as their secondary console. These people own the WII U now, but they may not give a damn about the next thing. I know im going from a day one nintendo console buyer to the end of a life cycle buyer. More people may do that. This wont help for launching their next console with good sales numbers they'll be able to build momentum on through good PR and such.

Now you could say, hey most people dont care as long the product is good. You see, nintendo has lost the casual gamers to mobile market. The core gamer is a lot more important now than they were in the wii/ds era. These gamers know whatsup with nintendo. These gamers know the negative vibe and all the poop nintendo got in this gen. Like someone else mentioned in the thread. Nintendo's image is screwed up r ight now. It needs to be fixed.

And sitting on a console that's selling meager numbers is supposed to fix this?

If they know Nintendo is failing with the Wii U, why would they think that Nintendo is doing a BAD thing by trying something else?

To everyone that thinks that giving the Wii U the axe this quickly, I think you might be missing something that's rather important, here: If Nintendo decides to cut the Wii U's life short because of it's low sales, why should people believe that they won't do it again if the next console doesn't meet their expectations? And by that logic, why should they jump ship if it might end up being replaced in just a couple of years? The problem that I see is that people probably won't want to get the NX out of fear that it'll just get replaced in a short amount of time. Besides, the signs are pointing towards the NX being a handheld. If Macronix is involved with it, it'll probably use cartridges.

@TingLz: WII U doesnt have a hardware problem imo. Its got an image and a software problem. Like apple's phylosiphy was since the start, and I agree, its all about the software. It needs a streak of great things this year for its image and software to be fixed at the same time. First a huge OS overhaul, and then software hits, like kimishima also mentioned, similar to splatoon and mario maker.

Why I also say that the WII U hardware, despite it discouraging 3rd party, isnt a problem is because I dont see 3rd party being a selling point ever for nintendo. At least not western 3rd party. There wont be a lot more people on NX because it would have 3rd party too. If 3rd party is so valuable to the consumer, then they've already got one of the other 3(Ps4/One/PC). To these people a Nintendo console as a secondary console wouldve been good enough I think

I know WII U doing bad isnt ideal, but replacing it without there being any momentum of goodwill doesnt seem very clever imo. I dunno. Its not just me not wanting it to be the case, I honestly feel that it just wont convince people.

I'll agree with the point that the transition to NX needs to be slow rather than sudden.

The problem here is that SOME people will be mad, but at the same time SOME people would be happy that Nintendo is moving on. There really is no win-all here.

Nintendo's best option would be to have a rather exciting launch for the NX, generate hype and buzz with effective marketing (similar to PS4), and get third parties on board quickly.

@TingLz: The PS4's main hype source was Microsoft's mistakes though.

Yes, true, but there was also a lot of buzz and hype even before the Microsoft screw ups. Heck, even a few years afterwards, the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One