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Topic: Do gamers even know why they dislike Nintendo ?

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MEGAMAN_D

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Ok so the other day I was in my back yard and I was talking to the neighbors teenage son and 2 of his friends. We started talking about video games and they asked me what console I play most of my games on, I told them Wii U and they all gave me a funny look, I said "whats wrong with that ?"

"I don't really like nintendo" one of them said "why" I said

And not one of them could give me a valid answer, "all that's on it is mario games"

They were all telling me how great the xbox one will be, I listed all the bad points about the X1 but it's like they were brainwashed and just had it in their minds that the X1 is fantastic, they couldn't even tell me what games they were looking forward to !

The funniest part is when his mother (my neighbor) came out and got involved in the conversation, She asked me how much the xbox one will cost and I told her £430, she looked at her son and said "if you think your getting one of them, your mad"

So I invited them in to show them the Wii U, I showed them mii-verse, zombi u, COD, assassins creed 3, etc

But what made their jaws drop was when I showed them that I could play COD team deathmatch on the game pad in my kitchen.

one of them even said he want's to trade in his 360 and get a Wii U

Make of that what you will

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DudeSean

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Yeah, those microsoft and sony names carry a lot of weight. People who aren't gamers know that sony and microsoft make popular stuff (computer software, tvs, etc.) so they just naturally assume that xbox and playstation are good, but without any real reason as to why.

The only people that I think really know that Nintendo are good are people who played Nintendo growing up. But a lot of those people even moved on to playstation or xbox, because they feel like playstation and xbox are for adults whereas Nintendo is for kids. It's really hard to break these ideologies that people have, and Nintendo doesn't really do much to help it.

Personally, I think Nintendo's best advertisements were for the Nintendo 64. Get N or get out. That was a good slogan for Americans. Nintendo needs to get in Americans faces and be like, "You need to buy our product or else you suck!" It's stupid, but that's what works for Americans. I can't speak for any other country, because I only live in this one.

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SparkOfSpirit

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Ever since the N64 when Nintendo was pigeonholed as a 'kiddy' company.

They've never shook it since.

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Big_Boy_Chubs

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I have friends who have never played a nintendo console in their life, but still call it crap. sigh i guess sony and microsoft fans will never give nintendo a chance.

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And people give crap for the WiiU because it's a 'bad' product. Even if it was, Sony and Microsoft have had plenty of flops, it's just Nintendo puts out less hardware, so they get criticized when one is 'bad'. I personally think the WiiU is amazing, and like last generation, Sony and Microsoft are copying Nintendo's big draw with their smart-glass and the likes. So for those to say the WiiU is stupid, is to say PS4 and Xbone are too.

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DudeSean

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@RudyDog It's like when Jack Trenton called the Wii a lollipop and then playstation came out with the "move".

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It's important to note that in the diverse gaming population, there are people who aren't entirely immersed in game-related information from all angles including Nintendo. Opinions of Nintendo tend to spread from word of mouth, which aren't always known to be entirely accurate. And people don't usually go into researching stuff they aren't interested in, usually taking for granted what friends and peers say.

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Nintendo can't compete, or will not compete with the marketing of Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo has also excepted the fact that they will only aim toward families, seeing that was the hot market at the time for wii. They have lost a part of their hardcore audience because of that, and have lost that consumer base. On top of that they have little to no third party games that are recognizable to this audience or are of any interest.

So the masses can only see Mario and have no idea what other great games are available on the system. This then creates this atmosphere that only popular games and cool games are on Microsoft and Sony systems because they look prettier and there is more (mature violence), on top of that everybody has one(peer pressure of being cool), and they are being bombarded by Sony and Microsoft ads because those companies can and are willing to spend the money on those types of games.

Nintendo is doing their own thing and they seem to basically be saying hey were the alternative, not those clone systems. The issue I see is they have no alternative (mature games) to get the majority or the masses interested in it. That would require a game like perfect dark or golden eye.
They don't have enough third party companies to do that, and I don't know if they want those types of companies.

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I hear people say, often here, that other consoles are basically just for dudebro CoD rehashes. Ignorance everywhere.

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Big_Boy_Chubs

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FOREST_RANGER wrote:

It's important to note that in the diverse gaming population, there are people who aren't entirely immersed in game-related information from all angles including Nintendo. Opinions of Nintendo tend to spread from word of mouth, which aren't always known to be entirely accurate. And people don't usually go into researching stuff they aren't interested in, usually taking for granted what friends and peers say.

I agree. In arizona, if i ever here anyone talking about nintendo, they're usually quoting a younger sibling whose only game is nintendogs.

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Tylr

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The usual reasons I've heard for the dislike is the lack of games for the system, which is true for now...but a good load of games are coming. Also is the fact of Nintendo's incompetent advertising is why the other gamers are confused why the heck the Wii U brand is on the market if they see there is nothing to play, because they aren't being informed and persuaded to buy Wii U and corresponding games for it. Why introduce Wii U if you're not going to introduce it to everyone else? Get in their faces, show them what it can do, advertise the heck out of it. Naturally, someone is going to dislike a brand if there's a bigger brand touting its horn in front of it.

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sdcazares1980

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I think it has to do with not just Nintendo's family-friendly image, but also the hardware it offers. Yes, I know, graphics aren't everything, but if you're going to be in the console race, you have to deliver on something that is cutting edge, or else you're going to be seen as behind. The reason why Nintendo has been so successful in the handhelds, it's because it knows that the audience knows that handhelds with cutting edge technology will be too expensive.

Take this from someone who's been gaming with Nintendo since it entered homes in 1985 (I actually received my first in 1988). I love Nintendo, but it's not faultless either.

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Spectator wrote:

Nintendo can't compete, or will not compete with the marketing of Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo has also excepted the fact that they will only aim toward families, seeing that was the hot market at the time for wii. They have lost a part of their hardcore audience because of that, and have lost that consumer base. On top of that they have little to no third party games that are recognizable to this audience or are of any interest.

So the masses can only see Mario and have no idea what other great games are available on the system. This then creates this atmosphere that only popular games and cool games are on Microsoft and Sony systems because they look prettier and there is more (mature violence), on top of that everybody has one(peer pressure of being cool), and they are being bombarded by Sony and Microsoft ads because those companies can and are willing to spend the money on those types of games.

Nintendo is doing their own thing and they seem to basically be saying hey were the alternative, not those clone systems. The issue I see is they have no alternative (mature games) to get the majority or the masses interested in it. That would require a game like perfect dark or golden eye.
They don't have enough third party companies to do that, and I don't know if they want those types of companies.

It's not just that, but the expectation these days is that you can own more than one system. That's great if you have a lot of money, but people need to realize that not everyone will have two gaming systems or more. It may have worked this past generation, but I'm not sure how long will this argument stick.

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sdcazares1980 wrote:

I think it has to do with not just Nintendo's family-friendly image, but also the hardware it offers. Yes, I know, graphics aren't everything, but if you're going to be in the console race, you have to deliver on something that is cutting edge, or else you're going to be seen as behind. The reason why Nintendo has been so successful in the handhelds, it's because it knows that the audience knows that handhelds with cutting edge technology will be too expensive.

Take this from someone who's been gaming with Nintendo since it entered homes in 1985 (I actually received my first in 1988). I love Nintendo, but it's not faultless either.

The n64 had better graphics than the ps1 and Gamecube had better graphics than ps2. In fact, Nintendo hasn't even tried to make their systems have the best graphics since the gamecube. I'll bet that's why. The lesson they learned was that graphics didn't matter. And the Wii proved that for them. So... I think the graphics are a waste of an argument. Yes, the hardcore gamers on pc, ps3 and xbox 360 viewed the Wii as being behind, but it was ahead in sales!

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I think they are taught to believe power and convince are what makes a console. Nintendo is neither of these at the moment. A lot of them will call it kid stuff but they are the same ones telling nintendo to pull a sega. They want to play nintendo games they just don't want to buy the console. It's a shame realy.

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cuz cod iz 4 kewl peoplez

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DudeSean wrote:

sdcazares1980 wrote:

I think it has to do with not just Nintendo's family-friendly image, but also the hardware it offers. Yes, I know, graphics aren't everything, but if you're going to be in the console race, you have to deliver on something that is cutting edge, or else you're going to be seen as behind. The reason why Nintendo has been so successful in the handhelds, it's because it knows that the audience knows that handhelds with cutting edge technology will be too expensive.

Take this from someone who's been gaming with Nintendo since it entered homes in 1985 (I actually received my first in 1988). I love Nintendo, but it's not faultless either.

The n64 had better graphics than the ps1 and Gamecube had better graphics than ps2. In fact, Nintendo hasn't even tried to make their systems have the best graphics since the gamecube. I'll bet that's why. The lesson they learned was that graphics didn't matter. And the Wii proved that for them. So... I think the graphics are a waste of an argument. Yes, the hardcore gamers on pc, ps3 and xbox 360 viewed the Wii as being behind, but it was ahead in sales!

The N64 and the GameCube's graphics and power were not that far apart from the competition. I'm not sure why the N64 did not make games that the PS1 was making. Why no Final Fantasy? Why no Castlevania: Symphony of the Night? From what I've read, the GameCube's disc size, lack of online play, and the disc spinning backwards made developers look the other way for the Xbox and PS2.

As far as the Wii is concerned, yeah, it sold the most consoles, but who, other than Nintendo loyalists, was playing their games?

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The n64 had better graphics than the ps1 and Gamecube had better graphics than ps2. In fact, Nintendo hasn't even tried to make their systems have the best graphics since the gamecube. I'll bet that's why. The lesson they learned was that graphics didn't matter. And the Wii proved that for them. So... I think the graphics are a waste of an argument. Yes, the hardcore gamers on pc, ps3 and xbox 360 viewed the Wii as being behind, but it was ahead in sales!

The N64 and the GameCube's graphics and power were not that far apart from the competition. I'm not sure why the N64 did not make games that the PS1 was making. Why no Final Fantasy? Why no Castlevania: Symphony of the Night? From what I've read, the GameCube's disc size, lack of online play, and the disc spinning backwards made developers look the other way for the Xbox and PS2.

As far as the Wii is concerned, yeah, it sold the most consoles, but who, other than Nintendo loyalists, was playing their games?

Well, the discs for ps1 had more capacity than the cartridges for n64. Also, I can tell you exactly why Final Fantasy (and others) went to ps1 instead of n64. The ps1 was basically an snes with a disc drive. In fact, programmers could still use the same language that they had been using for making snes games to make ps1 games. So, it saved them a lot of time not having to learn a new language.

Perhaps the Wii's power and graphics were farther apart them its competitors', but the gameplay was still possible. Just very few developers actually took the time to make it happen.

Well, according to the numbers, quite a few people were playing their games. Obviously pc gamers and xbox/playstation fans weren't playing them.

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N64 had terrible 3rd party support because (Wikipedia quote): "Yamauchi admitted at the 2001 Nintendo Space World event that he had intentionally ordered the Nintendo 64 to be difficult to program games for. The idea was to repel untalented third-party developers from the console, and hence tighten the quality of third-party games. However, his plan backfired and merely increased the number of poorly developed games for the console."

GCN had terrible 3rd party exclusive support but its main problem was that it wasn't a PS2 (Xbox was a Halo machine and NOTHING ELSE FOR MOST PEOPLE until Gears and COD4 on 360, let's be honest) since most of the best/popular 3rd party games were multiconsole anyway

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You guys need to look up the nintendo/square soft fall out. That's what started the bad third party support. Also look up the cd add on Sony made for the n64. This is how nintendo gave life to their biggest competitor. It seems like a few of your are unfamiliar with these things.

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