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Topic: Did Nintendo make a mistake by not including a hard drive?

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41. Posted:

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Installing the game on a ps3 increases load times. It doesn't make content appear on the screen faster.

if you believe that than I don't know what to say... installing things onto the hard drive does speed u[p load times... now i admit that in some games the difference is negligable.. like maybe a savings of a few minutes... even with the 360 when it started allowing you to install the entire contents of a disc onto a hard drive, i have noticed a difference in load times

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42. Posted:

Gigagator wrote:

I actually hadn't even considered the potential effect it could have on the laser.

I remember I had to replace the laser module in my PS2 because it became practically unusable over time.
Still, that's not to say the same will happen with Wii U.

Personally, I found using an external hard drive more hassle than it needed to be. I can't really use an external power supply as I don't have enough power outlets left, and the system wouldn't run a HDD using just one USB port. The only option was a USB y-cable, which obviously takes up 2 USB ports. To top it off, I have to plug the HDD into the front of the system as I have an ethernet adaptor in the back. Kind of spoils the nice sleek design of the system.

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43. Posted:

Yep. I've got 3 power strips in the room already. There is only 1 double socket fitted in the room, which is highly inadequate for 2013.

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44. Posted:

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Yep. I've got 3 power strips in the room already. There is only 1 double socket fitted in the room, which is highly inadequate for 2013.

Thats not even good, and is a fire hazard. I wouldn't plug in a power strip to a powerstrip, that's just overkill man. I would prioritize your hookups, or put in a new outlet altogether.

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With the way Nintendo has been pricing their digital games I don't think I'll need a hard drive.

Hahaha SO true!

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46. Posted:

It sounds a lot worse than it is. One of the power strips is only being used as an extension around the room.

The whole house needs rewiring, but I can't afford to fork out a couple of grand.

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47. Posted:

Gigagator wrote:

It sounds a lot worse than it is. One of the power strips is only being used as an extension around the room.

The whole house needs rewiring, but I can't afford to fork out a couple of grand.

Haha... Just use an extension cord and feed it to the entertainment room. Better safe than sorry. Jusy make it a DIY project. You should have an extra power source from your surge box that can allow you to expand your electric feed. My dad has literally built professional quality DIY projects without any home imorovement experience. I admit that some stuff is ghetto rigged sometimes(not the pro quality projects), but I'm sure you can do the stuff yourself by watching a youtube vid.

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48. Posted:

Does no one ever think of price?

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49. Posted:

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PS3 installs disc based games on the HDD to 'cut corners', while Wii U runs disc based games straight off the disc with no extra data being used. I think Nintendo figures that people will buy an ext. HDD if they want digital downloaded games, but for discs it won't be a problem. Technically, any device cost more than just the console, because you're gonna but controllers, accessories, etc, so it's really up to the consumer to 'seek out' what exactly they want to get the function they want out of their purchase. Xbox 360 consoles with 320GB go for $400 + tax, while a Wii U goes for $350(deluxe) + tax and whatever size HDD you get 500gb-2TB variences in memory space is $60-100 + tax which is slightly more expensive, but you're getting alot more for your money. It all comes down to whether you want a bigger memory space, and Xbox 360/PS3s 320/500gb space vs. Wii U 2TB IMO.

Sigh.

PS3 installs data to the hard drive to speed loading times and minimise the use of the laser, thus prolonging the PS3's life. It's got nothing to do with cutting corners.

The Wii U's laser is going to burn out hella quickly, considering it continues reading the discs even when the game isn't being played. I'm fully expecting to have to buy a new Wii U in two years.

Isn't Blu-ray a slow reader anyway?

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50. Posted:

I'm sure they've enhanced bluray readers. I'm actually not sure if they've improved the PS3 laser though. Maybe not since it still installs the game... Who knows really, but yes, bluray readers read kinda slow to pick up potentially 25GB worth of space I think.

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51. Posted:

Gigagator wrote:

Yep. I've got 3 power strips in the room already. There is only 1 double socket fitted in the room, which is highly inadequate for 2013.

how much devices you have in the room that need to be plugged in? Because there are surge protectors that is capable of providing power to 10 devices. Using 2 of these surge protectors can effectively power 20 devices in 1 room. I even found ones that can power 12 devices... Maybe you should consider changing your power bars to one that is capable in handling more devices

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52. Posted:

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Hi all,
Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on Nintendo not designing the Wii U with a built-in hard drive.
It didn't bother me at first, as I figured 32GB would be plenty and I purchased an external hard drive anyway, but I've been doing some thinking in the past hour and the following springs to mind...

For starters, I think quite a few developers were expecting a hard drive, especially since consoles have featured the use of hard disk drives since the PS2 era.
I also think some games are going to rely on hard drives. Have any of you played Skyrim on PS3 for example? I think that game installs something like 5GB of data to the hard drive straight away? That's just one game; I'm sure a lot of you know how quickly games ate up space on PS3 and Xbox 360. I think developers are going to rely on the hard drive a lot more in the next generation too, especially with games getting so much larger.

Of course, there's always external hard drives to use, but no developer can really guarantee that everyone has access to that, unless they included one with the game package which would likely never happen due to cost.

So I've put forth my two cents, will be interesting to hear other peoples' views on this. Would just like to add that I love my Wii U which I got at launch so I'm not a hater, just worried that third party developers are going to turn their noses up again.

Now I quoted you because I want an answer form you, the OP. It's all about price, things are either included or not based on money, money is key to everything. Now we can wine, bitch and moan until the cows come home but our troubles pale in comparison to the almighty dollar. Things weren't included because it would cost us extra money to buy it, people do not like to spend a bunch of money unless they have a bunch of money. Seriously, in all honesty how much are you willing to pay for something?

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53. Posted:

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Gigagator wrote:

Hi all,
Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on Nintendo not designing the Wii U with a built-in hard drive.
It didn't bother me at first, as I figured 32GB would be plenty and I purchased an external hard drive anyway, but I've been doing some thinking in the past hour and the following springs to mind...

For starters, I think quite a few developers were expecting a hard drive, especially since consoles have featured the use of hard disk drives since the PS2 era.
I also think some games are going to rely on hard drives. Have any of you played Skyrim on PS3 for example? I think that game installs something like 5GB of data to the hard drive straight away? That's just one game; I'm sure a lot of you know how quickly games ate up space on PS3 and Xbox 360. I think developers are going to rely on the hard drive a lot more in the next generation too, especially with games getting so much larger.

Of course, there's always external hard drives to use, but no developer can really guarantee that everyone has access to that, unless they included one with the game package which would likely never happen due to cost.

So I've put forth my two cents, will be interesting to hear other peoples' views on this. Would just like to add that I love my Wii U which I got at launch so I'm not a hater, just worried that third party developers are going to turn their noses up again.

Now I quoted you because I want an answer form you, the OP. It's all about price, things are either included or not based on money, money is key to everything. Now we can wine, bitch and moan until the cows come home but our troubles pale in comparison to the almighty dollar. Things weren't included because it would cost us extra money to buy it, people do not like to spend a bunch of money unless they have a bunch of money. Seriously, in all honesty how much are you willing to pay for something?

I regularly Shiraz about prices, personally.

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54. Posted:

Shrapmo wrote:

Now I quoted you because I want an answer form you, the OP. It's all about price, things are either included or not based on money, money is key to everything. Now we can wine, bitch and moan until the cows come home but our troubles pale in comparison to the almighty dollar. Things weren't included because it would cost us extra money to buy it, people do not like to spend a bunch of money unless they have a bunch of money. Seriously, in all honesty how much are you willing to pay for something?

Well, to be honest I wasn't really considering the financial aspects when I started the thread. My main concern was, would the lack of a hard drive put off some developers or create difficulty in porting over some big next-gen games.

I guess if we had to have this discussion, you could argue that the cost of putting in a 1TB hard drive could be compensated by getting rid of the expensive GamePad and having just a traditional controller, then beefing up some other of the Wii U system specifications to make it more competitive with the next Sony or Microsoft system.
However, that's not what I want and I'm sure not what anybody wants as the GamePad is completely unique.

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55. Posted:

Not everyone needs 500GB of data, and integrating a hard-drive would increase the manufacturing costs, and therefore the RRP, and a higher RRP would deter casuals from buying the console in favour of just keeping their Wii or going to 360 or PS3.

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56. Posted:

Gigagator wrote:

I guess if we had to have this discussion, you could argue that the cost of putting in a 1TB hard drive could be compensated by getting rid of the expensive GamePad and having just a traditional controller, then beefing up some other of the Wii U system specifications to make it more competitive with the next Sony or Microsoft system.
However, that's not what I want and I'm sure not what anybody wants as the GamePad is completely unique.

Totally agreed. In fact if motion controls were dropped in the Wii U I would absolutely have not bothered with it and I'd just be gaming on my iPad.

Money is a factor. People who forget that are apparently living in a bubble of privilege and need to get out more. No the Wii U should not have been 50 quid more and included anything extra because someone is slightly inconvenienced. It should be priced as reasonably as Nintendo can make it so more people can reasonably afford it. Assuming it succeeds, down the line perhaps the line-up can be enhanced (queue moaning from early adopters who "wished they waited" without considering the risks of being early adopters), but right now in this economy they did the right thing.

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57. Posted:

@Gigagator
Thank you for your response. Yes I agree that the Gamepad took up a bunch of Nintendo's focus, so other things (like a hard drive) needed to be axed for the greater good. Also thank you for clarifying what you meant with your original post.

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58. Posted:

teus wrote:

DudeSean wrote:

Installing the game on a ps3 increases load times. It doesn't make content appear on the screen faster.

if you believe that than I don't know what to say... installing things onto the hard drive does speed u[p load times... now i admit that in some games the difference is negligable.. like maybe a savings of a few minutes... even with the 360 when it started allowing you to install the entire contents of a disc onto a hard drive, i have noticed a difference in load times

Read the rest of my posts or don't reply to my posts at all.

Why is this thread 3 pages long? No. It wasn't a mistake. Case closed. Case was closed before the thread even started.

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59. Posted:

Sean_Aaron wrote:

Gigagator wrote:

I guess if we had to have this discussion, you could argue that the cost of putting in a 1TB hard drive could be compensated by getting rid of the expensive GamePad and having just a traditional controller, then beefing up some other of the Wii U system specifications to make it more competitive with the next Sony or Microsoft system.
However, that's not what I want and I'm sure not what anybody wants as the GamePad is completely unique.

Totally agreed. In fact if motion controls were dropped in the Wii U I would absolutely have not bothered with it and I'd just be gaming on my iPad.

Money is a factor. People who forget that are apparently living in a bubble of privilege and need to get out more. No the Wii U should not have been 50 quid more and included anything extra because someone is slightly inconvenienced. It should be priced as reasonably as Nintendo can make it so more people can reasonably afford it. Assuming it succeeds, down the line perhaps the line-up can be enhanced (queue moaning from early adopters who "wished they waited" without considering the risks of being early adopters), but right now in this economy they did the right thing.

To an extent I agree with you.

However.

250GB internal hard drives can be bought at retail for around $50 Australian from top manufacturers such as Seagate or Western Digital.

Buying direct from a supplier and in massive bulk would have cost Nintendo a fraction of that $50. Let's say for convenience $20 per hard drive.

There is stuff in the Premium package that isn't really necessary. The dock, for instance. The HDMI cable. The sensor bar - which is useless unless people have Wiimotes (not included), and if people have Wiimotes, they already have a sensor bar. Remove those three things and you're probably getting close to, if not over, $20 in manufacturing costs saved.

If Nintendo was serious about pushing the downloads (and given that the Premium console has a "loyalty club" for downloads, as well as Nintendo's rhetoric around digital services, you would think this is the case), then it would have made far more sense to get rid of the less necessary gimmicky stuff in the Wii U premium box in favour of a proper hard drive.

It's not so much because people can't get these things for themselves as it is a way for Nintendo to encourage people to actually use it. One of the reasons I took to using the PSN is because the PS3 has a healthy-sized hard drive, without me having to go on another shopping trip.

The 8GB basic model is fine as an entry package.

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60. Posted:

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I don't think it's that simple. As it is the basic and premium models are identical except for the colouring of the plastic and 3x 8GB NAND chips soldered onto the PCB. There's no space in the chassis for a HDD so they would have had to change that entirely and pay for extra weight/volume in shipping. They'd have to also pay for the extra weight/volume in the basic model to save costs in manufacturing by only having one design. It's also worth remembering that HDD prices were ridiculously volatile when the first batch of Wii U's would have been put together.

............ or they could just allow you to use an external HDD

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