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kkslider5552000

You know, while I've not been a fan of how 3rd party companies have treated Wii U so far (see: people not realizing who their audience is and how much a game can reasonably sell on a new system), I can at least usually understand on some level their logic and get that some games will just sell horribly on Nintendo for no good or fair reason (see: the Wii U Need for Speed). It happens.

But as someone who was really trying to get the Deus Ex port some excitement (because it should be phenomenal), I can't help but be disappointed at this...baffling decision to have the Wii U version cost more. This barely promoted port of a series most Nintendo hardcore fans know little about was already a tough sell, why even do this? In what reality does this work out for the best for anyone involved? I'm seriously considering e-mailing SE and I'd like to see others do the same, because I want an answer at least. This really makes me sad, as I didn't believe the pricing rumors were true and I was really happy to see new people exposed to such a cool little series. I will say though, props if you still get the Wii U version. I am sure it is worth every penny in terms of quality gaming. I'd get it one way or another though, again, only reason I won't is because I own the inferior original version and want to focus just on games I don't already own with what money I have. It saddens me a bit to not get it or Wind Waker HD, but oh well.

That said, interesting contrast to Batman. They actually decided to lower the price because it didn't have a feature on Wii U. That actually makes sense. There's logic to it. I have to assume out of the multi-console stuff that's going on Wii U in the next couple of months, this is going to be the one most likely to succeed. Unless the port has issues again or something. I'd like to get this ver. but my brother is going to get the 360 version ASAP so I can't justify it (maybe I could get him to change his mind since he'll be paying 10 dollars extra for essentially nothing, as again, not paying for online gaming). But for anyone who does do this, especially to specifically go against the overdone forced, unnecessary multiplayer additions to single player games, I'd be glad to see people specifically tell the publisher or developer that they were glad they paid less instead of getting an online mode they didn't ask for. Some people will disagree, fine whatever, but I personally would be really happy to see that happen.

So basically a new idea I have is, if 3rd parties don't get Nintendo, maybe Nintendo fans should directly say what they want/don't want and e-mail gaming companies about stuff like this. It might help.

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The only reason I can think of for charging more on wii u as they seem to be doing for the deus ex game, is it has a smaller install base being so new, so they hope to make up for that with a higher price point for it, which kinda makes sense though its definitely not good PR and can't help but feel it will actually be counter productive in the end.

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Reala wrote:

The only reason I can think of for charging more on wii u as they seem to be doing for the deus ex game, is it has a smaller install base being so new, so they hope to make up for that with a higher price point for it, which kinda makes sense though its definitely not good PR and can't help but feel it will actually be counter productive in the end.

That would explain why it was only confirmed recently, to avoid controversy.

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Reala wrote:

The only reason I can think of for charging more on wii u as they seem to be doing for the deus ex game, is it has a smaller install base being so new, so they hope to make up for that with a higher price point for it, which kinda makes sense though its definitely not good PR and can't help but feel it will actually be counter productive in the end.

But then you could argue economy of scales, When prices are lower, sales are higher... Although your profit margins per unit are lower then what they could be, the overall profit is higher because the number of units sold is greater.

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Charging MORE for a smaller install base makes no sense - fewer buyers in the first place, don't then alienate them. Equally, if the Wii U has a lack of big titles, surely a big name would be craved? Why then scare off buyers with an higher price?

Perhaps a small bump in price for the Gamepad additions and (hopefully) increased graphically fidelity.... but still.

Ports and multiplatform aren't where the Wii U should be aiming to suceed though. Unique IP and clever use of the features are.

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uptownsoul wrote:

the Deus Ex port doesnt cost more on the wii u, it cost less on the 360/ps3 because its been out for 2 years. when it came out it was $60. now because it has been out for 2 years it can be found used for like $20. so of course it was going to cost more than it currently does on 360/ps3

The issue here is that the PS3/360/PC versions of Director's Cut, which will have the same new features and graphical polish as the Wii U version, will sell for only $30, while Wii U owners will have to crank out an extra $20 for the same thing.

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kkslider5552000

If you sell the exact same thing but cheaper, people will tend to go to the cheaper option.

http://kotaku.com/deus-ex-is-more-expensive-on-wii-u-because-...

This was the response I was expecting. I point you to what I just said, especially with Smartglass support (which not everyone is going to use, you spent money on that! ARGH). This is just gonna cause people to get a different version of the game. I'd be surprised by anything else.

Not just here, other gaming sites and even a couple of friends I was really trying to sell them on this game because it seemed like an awesome update and people love the original version and it's a really cool game. This Wii U version specifically I spent hours of my own time in trying to hype up I think. I am not happy about this. I've tried to avoid complaining about 3rd parties, but this is so stupid! What do they think is gonna happen? Why bother supporting Wii U and then just sabotage it like this?

I hope my time wasn't completely wasted at least.

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On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

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On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

I've heard lower cost pre-orders stay that way for you if you buy them before they change to the "real" price on Amazon. So maybe take advantage of that before they change it and you might get lucky? ...I'd ask someone who actually knows about Amazon though.

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DefHalan

If you want more 3rd Party you have to put up with not getting everything. You have to be willing to take less while wanting more in order for 3rd Party to look at Wii U as a serious platform. I understand people don't want to pay for something that isn't "Fully Featured" but if you buy the game on another platform you are showing 3rd Party you don't care what system you get a game on as long as you can buy it. If you stand up and fight for games to be on Wii U and don't buy them on other consoles then you are sending 3rd Party a message. If Wii U owners are willing to pay more than other console owners then that will send a message for the Wii U to be taken more seriously. If you want Wii U to succeed then you need to fight for it!

That is what I think about all this stuff

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Stormnova wrote:

On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

I've heard lower cost pre-orders stay that way for you if you buy them before they change to the "real" price on Amazon. So maybe take advantage of that before they change it and you might get lucky? ...I'd ask someone who actually knows about Amazon though.

Amazon has pre-order price guarantee, so if you pre-order now then they won't charge you for the difference if they bump up the price later.

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uptownsoul wrote:

the Deus Ex port doesnt cost more on the wii u, it cost less on the 360/ps3 because its been out for 2 years. when it came out it was $60. now because it has been out for 2 years it can be found used for like $20. so of course it was going to cost more than it currently does on 360/ps3

I understand this, and it would make complete sense if Xbox/PS/Nintendo/PC were each their own micro-economies with mutually exclusive consumers. That isn't the case though. Many people own multiple systems and those that don't are probably still aware of what is happening with the other consoles.

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uptownsoul wrote:

cookiex wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Stormnova wrote:

On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

I've heard lower cost pre-orders stay that way for you if you buy them before they change to the "real" price on Amazon. So maybe take advantage of that before they change it and you might get lucky? ...I'd ask someone who actually knows about Amazon though.

Amazon has pre-order price guarantee, so if you pre-order now then they won't charge you for the difference if they bump up the price later.

ADDITION: part of this is nintendo's own fault. i know some may hate this but microsoft and sony are paying these 3rd party devs to keep things exclusive, at least a limited time (ie titlanfall for xb1). nintendo has all this money saved up. if they went with some to square enix maybe they could have kept it exclusive for at least a time and then there'd be no cheaper director's cut

I don't necessarily disagree but this is still a stupid business decision regardless.

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Seems to me that SE is charging extra because they think Wii U owners are so desparate they'll be willing to pay extra.

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CanisWolfred

And as an owner of the original on the 360, I'm quite honestly a little peeved that they're selling the Director's Cut on the 360 for less than what I paid for standard game. That'll teach me to support their games before the super-ultra-Mega-Awesome Edition is out...

So either way they've screwed people over. Good job, S-E.

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It's just like Capcom with their hyper, super, arcade, etc. editions. Everyone should know at this point that they should never buy Street Fighter. They don't even give DLC to "complete" your game. Granted, Mortal Kombat and Injustice will have a better edition, but at least the older copies of the game can still opt for the DLC.

The novelty factor for buying a game when it's "hot and fresh" just doesn't hold up that much anymore.

From what I understand, the Wii U version will still perform better visually and stability wise. Unless they magically upped the graphics from the original on both the Xbox 360 and PS3, I still see Wii U's version beong the best, especially since you don't need a Vita or tablet for the second screen stuff. I'd say it's somewhat justified, but it's already an older game when people obviously want new stuff.

The Wii U was/is criticised to no end for having ports of year old games. Although they're better, it's time for some new stuff that you can only play on newer systems. Nintendo's new games and those few 7th/8th gen games seem to be all we're waiting for. AC, COD, FIFA, BF, etc. games will be on both 7th gen and 8th gen platforms, and I feel like EA confirming all those games at 2011 E3, then withdrawing those claims of more support is really a blow to EA.

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tebunker

I said this in the other thread about this, but I think it is just the large disparity in price that makes people question it.

However, when you think about it, Wii U owners get full benefit of the title out of the box, not needing a Vita or Smartglass for the 2nd screen functions. Wii U owners are paying more for that development. It isn't the same game on PS3/360 because of the 2nd screen. Now it is up to SE to prove that these features are worth $20 more.

As well, this could have come at some urging from NOA, first because the price in Europe is a lot less, and second, $29.99 implies a certain quality at launch, and since this game doesn't necessarily have a user base on Wii U, it could be part of why they launched at $50.

Also, it is a double edged sword, yes buy the game to show them that you want more games like this, but email and tweet and FB post them telling why you bought it and how it made you feel. It is the only way to send the message.

Me, personally, I may wait for a sale, but I know once that Miiverse goes up I am going to continually question the price and mention how I will wait for a price drop.

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SCAR392 wrote:

It's just like Capcom with their hyper, super, arcade, etc. editions. Everyone should know at this point that they should never buy Street Fighter. They don't even give DLC to "complete" your game. Granted, Mortal Kombat and Injustice will have a better edition, but at least the older copies of the game can still opt for the DLC.

They've given out the aditional versions of Street Fighter IV as DLC since Arcade Edition. Only costs about $20 to upgrade.

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tebunker

it is hard to watch this and not want to drop the $50 bones. They put some work into this.

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