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kkslider5552000

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You know, while I've not been a fan of how 3rd party companies have treated Wii U so far (see: people not realizing who their audience is and how much a game can reasonably sell on a new system), I can at least usually understand on some level their logic and get that some games will just sell horribly on Nintendo for no good or fair reason (see: the Wii U Need for Speed). It happens.

But as someone who was really trying to get the Deus Ex port some excitement (because it should be phenomenal), I can't help but be disappointed at this...baffling decision to have the Wii U version cost more. This barely promoted port of a series most Nintendo hardcore fans know little about was already a tough sell, why even do this? In what reality does this work out for the best for anyone involved? I'm seriously considering e-mailing SE and I'd like to see others do the same, because I want an answer at least. This really makes me sad, as I didn't believe the pricing rumors were true and I was really happy to see new people exposed to such a cool little series. I will say though, props if you still get the Wii U version. I am sure it is worth every penny in terms of quality gaming. I'd get it one way or another though, again, only reason I won't is because I own the inferior original version and want to focus just on games I don't already own with what money I have. It saddens me a bit to not get it or Wind Waker HD, but oh well.

That said, interesting contrast to Batman. They actually decided to lower the price because it didn't have a feature on Wii U. That actually makes sense. There's logic to it. I have to assume out of the multi-console stuff that's going on Wii U in the next couple of months, this is going to be the one most likely to succeed. Unless the port has issues again or something. I'd like to get this ver. but my brother is going to get the 360 version ASAP so I can't justify it (maybe I could get him to change his mind since he'll be paying 10 dollars extra for essentially nothing, as again, not paying for online gaming). But for anyone who does do this, especially to specifically go against the overdone forced, unnecessary multiplayer additions to single player games, I'd be glad to see people specifically tell the publisher or developer that they were glad they paid less instead of getting an online mode they didn't ask for. Some people will disagree, fine whatever, but I personally would be really happy to see that happen.

So basically a new idea I have is, if 3rd parties don't get Nintendo, maybe Nintendo fans should directly say what they want/don't want and e-mail gaming companies about stuff like this. It might help.

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The only reason I can think of for charging more on wii u as they seem to be doing for the deus ex game, is it has a smaller install base being so new, so they hope to make up for that with a higher price point for it, which kinda makes sense though its definitely not good PR and can't help but feel it will actually be counter productive in the end.

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Reala wrote:

The only reason I can think of for charging more on wii u as they seem to be doing for the deus ex game, is it has a smaller install base being so new, so they hope to make up for that with a higher price point for it, which kinda makes sense though its definitely not good PR and can't help but feel it will actually be counter productive in the end.

That would explain why it was only confirmed recently, to avoid controversy.

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Reala wrote:

The only reason I can think of for charging more on wii u as they seem to be doing for the deus ex game, is it has a smaller install base being so new, so they hope to make up for that with a higher price point for it, which kinda makes sense though its definitely not good PR and can't help but feel it will actually be counter productive in the end.

But then you could argue economy of scales, When prices are lower, sales are higher... Although your profit margins per unit are lower then what they could be, the overall profit is higher because the number of units sold is greater.

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uptownsoul

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the Deus Ex port doesnt cost more on the wii u, it cost less on the 360/ps3 because its been out for 2 years. when it came out it was $60. now because it has been out for 2 years it can be found used for like $20. so of course it was going to cost more than it currently does on 360/ps3

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JamesNighthawk

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Charging MORE for a smaller install base makes no sense - fewer buyers in the first place, don't then alienate them. Equally, if the Wii U has a lack of big titles, surely a big name would be craved? Why then scare off buyers with an higher price?

Perhaps a small bump in price for the Gamepad additions and (hopefully) increased graphically fidelity.... but still.

Ports and multiplatform aren't where the Wii U should be aiming to suceed though. Unique IP and clever use of the features are.

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uptownsoul wrote:

the Deus Ex port doesnt cost more on the wii u, it cost less on the 360/ps3 because its been out for 2 years. when it came out it was $60. now because it has been out for 2 years it can be found used for like $20. so of course it was going to cost more than it currently does on 360/ps3

The issue here is that the PS3/360/PC versions of Director's Cut, which will have the same new features and graphical polish as the Wii U version, will sell for only $30, while Wii U owners will have to crank out an extra $20 for the same thing.

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If you sell the exact same thing but cheaper, people will tend to go to the cheaper option.

http://kotaku.com/deus-ex-is-more-expensive-on-wii-u-because-...

This was the response I was expecting. I point you to what I just said, especially with Smartglass support (which not everyone is going to use, you spent money on that! ARGH). This is just gonna cause people to get a different version of the game. I'd be surprised by anything else.

Not just here, other gaming sites and even a couple of friends I was really trying to sell them on this game because it seemed like an awesome update and people love the original version and it's a really cool game. This Wii U version specifically I spent hours of my own time in trying to hype up I think. I am not happy about this. I've tried to avoid complaining about 3rd parties, but this is so stupid! What do they think is gonna happen? Why bother supporting Wii U and then just sabotage it like this?

I hope my time wasn't completely wasted at least.

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On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

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On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

I've heard lower cost pre-orders stay that way for you if you buy them before they change to the "real" price on Amazon. So maybe take advantage of that before they change it and you might get lucky? ...I'd ask someone who actually knows about Amazon though.

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If you want more 3rd Party you have to put up with not getting everything. You have to be willing to take less while wanting more in order for 3rd Party to look at Wii U as a serious platform. I understand people don't want to pay for something that isn't "Fully Featured" but if you buy the game on another platform you are showing 3rd Party you don't care what system you get a game on as long as you can buy it. If you stand up and fight for games to be on Wii U and don't buy them on other consoles then you are sending 3rd Party a message. If Wii U owners are willing to pay more than other console owners then that will send a message for the Wii U to be taken more seriously. If you want Wii U to succeed then you need to fight for it!

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kkslider5552000 wrote:

Stormnova wrote:

On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

I've heard lower cost pre-orders stay that way for you if you buy them before they change to the "real" price on Amazon. So maybe take advantage of that before they change it and you might get lucky? ...I'd ask someone who actually knows about Amazon though.

Amazon has pre-order price guarantee, so if you pre-order now then they won't charge you for the difference if they bump up the price later.

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uptownsoul wrote:

the Deus Ex port doesnt cost more on the wii u, it cost less on the 360/ps3 because its been out for 2 years. when it came out it was $60. now because it has been out for 2 years it can be found used for like $20. so of course it was going to cost more than it currently does on 360/ps3

The issue here is that the PS3/360/PC versions of Director's Cut, which will have the same new features and graphical polish as the Wii U version, will sell for only $30, while Wii U owners will have to crank out an extra $20 for the same thing.

but the price disparity seems justified. their thinking is if you have a wii u and ps3(or 360) you've already been able to play this game. and if you want to play the game you can play the regular cut game for like $10-$15. its supply and demand. the streets are flooded with deus ex HR (regular version, granted) at $10-$15. but if you only had a wii in 2011 (and only a wii u now) you can only get it at the price they're setting

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cookiex wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Stormnova wrote:

On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

I've heard lower cost pre-orders stay that way for you if you buy them before they change to the "real" price on Amazon. So maybe take advantage of that before they change it and you might get lucky? ...I'd ask someone who actually knows about Amazon though.

Amazon has pre-order price guarantee, so if you pre-order now then they won't charge you for the difference if they bump up the price later.

ADDITION: part of this is nintendo's own fault. i know some may hate this but microsoft and sony are paying these 3rd party devs to keep things exclusive, at least a limited time (ie titlanfall for xb1). nintendo has all this money saved up. if they went with some to square enix maybe they could have kept it exclusive for at least a time and then there'd be no cheaper director's cut

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uptownsoul wrote:

the Deus Ex port doesnt cost more on the wii u, it cost less on the 360/ps3 because its been out for 2 years. when it came out it was $60. now because it has been out for 2 years it can be found used for like $20. so of course it was going to cost more than it currently does on 360/ps3

I understand this, and it would make complete sense if Xbox/PS/Nintendo/PC were each their own micro-economies with mutually exclusive consumers. That isn't the case though. Many people own multiple systems and those that don't are probably still aware of what is happening with the other consoles.

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uptownsoul wrote:

cookiex wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Stormnova wrote:

On Amazon UK the Wii U version is £24 and the Xbox and PS3 are £25 but Arkham Origins still costs more at £38.

I've heard lower cost pre-orders stay that way for you if you buy them before they change to the "real" price on Amazon. So maybe take advantage of that before they change it and you might get lucky? ...I'd ask someone who actually knows about Amazon though.

Amazon has pre-order price guarantee, so if you pre-order now then they won't charge you for the difference if they bump up the price later.

ADDITION: part of this is nintendo's own fault. i know some may hate this but microsoft and sony are paying these 3rd party devs to keep things exclusive, at least a limited time (ie titlanfall for xb1). nintendo has all this money saved up. if they went with some to square enix maybe they could have kept it exclusive for at least a time and then there'd be no cheaper director's cut

I don't necessarily disagree but this is still a stupid business decision regardless.

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WesCash wrote:

uptownsoul wrote:

the Deus Ex port doesnt cost more on the wii u, it cost less on the 360/ps3 because its been out for 2 years. when it came out it was $60. now because it has been out for 2 years it can be found used for like $20. so of course it was going to cost more than it currently does on 360/ps3

I understand this, and it would make complete sense if Xbox/PS/Nintendo/PC were each their own micro-economies with mutually exclusive consumers. That isn't the case though. Many people own multiple systems and those that don't are probably still aware of what is happening with the other consoles.

ahh, but in the deus ex example they do have mutually exclusive consumers

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Seems to me that SE is charging extra because they think Wii U owners are so desparate they'll be willing to pay extra.

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Seems to me that SE is charging extra because they think Wii U owners are so desparate they'll be willing to pay extra.

not desperate, well maybe. but its just that if you only owned a wii/wii u from 2011-2013 then this is the price to buy the game, director's cut/standard cut/any cut. juxtapose that with owning a 360/ps3 where its been available since 2011 and if your now just learning about the game the standard cut is so cheap. its really just supply and demand

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And as an owner of the original on the 360, I'm quite honestly a little peeved that they're selling the Director's Cut on the 360 for less than what I paid for standard game. That'll teach me to support their games before the super-ultra-Mega-Awesome Edition is out...

So either way they've screwed people over. Good job, S-E.

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