Topic: Demand Final Fantasy XV on the Wii U

You do realize that Square Enix is always losing money, regardless of which platform they release games on?

i.e. Tomb Raider. Good game, poor sales.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/11/27/lightning-returns-lowest...

You're acting like it's the developer's fault they don't want to support Nintendo. In reality, it's Nintendo's fault.

Until Nintendo makes some changes, prepare for a lack of third party support and an overflow of familiar franchise sequels in the near future.

Which means the company should continue this route? Nice logic.

Square has been losing money these last few years so it's okay for it to lose even more money on publishing a game no one wants on a Nintendo console.

Like what, exactly?

You said that Square Enix wants to make money, so they won't support Wii U. The reality is that they've been losing money anyway, so that's not a real reason.

So when I lose my wallet, I should just burn all of the money in the savings account, too?

That's silly.

Clearly some people want FFXV on Wii U, and I agree that Nintendo is to blame for a lack of third party support, but the Third party developers certainly aren't being super easy to deal with. The constant sabotage of deals with Nintendo, such as EA dropping all support of the Wii U and Rayman Legends becoming multiplatform, makes it hard for Nintendo to make many deals with third parties. There needs to be work done on both ends.
EDIT: Nintendo is PARTIALLY to blame for lack of third party support

Porting FFXV to Wii U would provide a bigger audience, at less than the initial investment. Based on money alone, it would actually be a better decision to port the game to Wii U.

Couldn't agree more.

Clearly some people want FFXV on Wii U, and I agree that Nintendo is to blame for a lack of third party support, but the Third party developers certainly aren't being super easy to deal with. The constant sabotage of deals with Nintendo, such as EA dropping all support of the Wii U and Rayman Legends becoming multiplatform, makes it hard for Nintendo to make many deals with third parties. There needs to be work done on both ends.

Third party developers do not want to support a console with its triple A games if the games will not sell. Nintendo fans usually don't buy third party games (look at the last three Nintendo consoles as proof of this), the fans want to buy Nintendo games.

You can't negotiate with someone if you have nothing they want.

A slightly bigger audience. Just because you and a few others want FFXV on Wii U doesn't mean the rest of the install base does.

You're avoiding the fact that Nintendo barely has four million Wii Us out the door (worldwide).

Square Enix games have historically sold quite well on Nintendo consoles. Not as good as Sony consoles, but it's always been profitable to develop games for Nintendo, and if it was just a port, it could be a huge profit.

I remember only being confused in a few areas, and none of them were important enough to take away any of our (I played it with my brother) experiences. And when we were confused, we went to the Datalog and it explained everything - which is a very important thing that everyone tends to forget about. There's lots of info on stuff, it's just in the datalog. Sure, you could argue that it should be explained directly instead of making players find it themselves, but at least its available, and had it been shoehorned in the story, it would've ruined the pace of the story, which in this case was very important. (IMO, pace is always important, but it's especially important here because it adds to the themes and structure of the story)

Really, you gave a better argument than the last 10 people who tried to convince me (mostly because it didn't consist of just, "I dislike something about it, therefore it is broken!" this time), but I still don't see it. I feel like I've been playing a different game from other people, and if I'm right and no one read even a little bit of the Datalog, then maybe I did, because that really is a game-changer.

With a larger demand, of course.

If Final Fantasy sold well on Nintendo consoles, we wouldn't be discussing this.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the sales of FFXV on the Wii U will be higher than the cost of porting the game. Square-Enix will make a profit if they port it!

How do you come to this conclusion?

Final Fantasy does sell well on Nintendo consoles. The last main series game to be released on a Nintendo console (besides the western release of Final Fantasy III on the DS) was Final Fantasy VI on the SNES. That was before Final Fantasy was a worldwide phenomena. The spin-offs released since then and the Virtual Console games have sold well. Not massive, but enough to warrant continued business.

Check my comment to Chrono_Cross
"Final Fantasy does sell well on Nintendo consoles. The last main series game to be released on a Nintendo console (besides the western release of Final Fantasy III on the DS) was Final Fantasy VI on the SNES. That was before Final Fantasy was a worldwide phenomena. The spin-offs released since then and the Virtual Console games have sold well. Not massive, but enough to warrant continued business."

Porting a game of that caliber will not make a profit on the Wii U.

You can think it will make a profit, but you're wrong.

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You really think that Wii U not getting 3rd party games is ok? That's the whole argument on why Xbox One and PS4 are selling. If Xbox One and PS4 are selling, because of 3rd party games, than who's to say it wouldn't be the same for Wii U?

There is no data on whether FFXV will sell on Wii U, so it's literally impossible to draw a conclusion that it won't.

Explain why I'm wrong

Based on numbers/money, it actually would. FFXV has just as much of a chance to sell on Wii U as it does on any other console. The install base has nothing to do with it, because 3rd party games are part of the reason why people won't buy a Wii U, based on your(and many others')own words.

If PS4 wasn't getting 3rd party games, would you buy it?

There is pretty much no evidence to indicate that FFXV would sell well on the Wii U, but there's no evidence to suggest that it wouldn't either. The problem is that there hasn't been a main series entry on a Nintendo platform in 20 years. There's no data for SE to analyze to determine if it's worth porting or not.

Final Fantasy sales in general are on a slight decline. It's not really surprising that the HD remaster of X/X-2 outsold Lightning Returns in Japan. XV has been highly anticipated for nearly a decade so it should reverse that trend, but at this point, I think the low install base of the Wii U makes it an unappealing risk for Square Enix.