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JaxonH

ZyroXZ2 wrote:

On topic about Watch Dogs, I think it's possible they thought they could silently cancel the Wii U version. However, once the internet caught wind of it and it ended up being posted everywhere, Ubisoft changed their minds and said to themselves "better to take the financial loss than tarnish our reputation with Nintendo gamers...", lol

I think the real financial loss would be NOT releasing a game they've been working on for years. I mean, why would you NOT release a game that is, for all intents and purposes, a finished product? That's just refusing money being offered to you right there. The money they spent developing the game is already spent. Might as well finish the last month or two of development and recoup costs by selling the game. Even if it just sold 10,000 copies, like Splinter Cell Blacklist did, that's over half a million dollars right there. I think it'll do better than that though. ZombiU sold over half a MILLION copies. So it's not unreasonable to expect at least half that. Quarter million on Wii U sounds about right. Hopefully it'll do even better though.

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I hope we at least get Ubisoft and Activision support. I would like Capcom, Sega, and Square Enix, because they all know they have fans on Nintendo systems, but the all seem to enthralled by the PS4 forgetting that Nintendo fan want more than just Resident Evil, Sonic, and chibi characters. Capcom should be putting mor support on the Wii U, not just the 3DS, Sega needs to understand that we want games like Aliens and Thief, not just Sonic games, and Square Enix has a Kingdom Hearts fanbase and a Final Fantasy fanbase, yet we are not yet, if at all, on their radar for those games. Xbox never had a KH game, yet they confirmed it for the XB1. These third parties don't understand that they can't possibly have a fanbase on a system they treat like a dog, throwing scraps that, while enticing, are not what we want. I would gladly have KH3 on Wii U than Bravely Default on 3DS. We couldn't even be counted for either release of Tomb Raider, which is just inconsiderate and wrong, yet third parties only say that they have no fanbase for their games, Wii U is also being skipped for Strider, so I don't know how they plan on getting fans on the Wii U. I personally don't care if EA ever comes back, or i Bethesda or Rockstar even try, because I know it will be gimped ports galore, on top of blaming the fans for not buying crappy games. Mass Effect 3 vs Mass Effect trilogy is a no-brainer, yet it is our fault for it not selling? Sound pretty turd party like to me.

Edit: I do like Capcom's support, but they need to throw more onto the Wii U, like MH3U, MH4 should be on there as well. (They also need to localize more, but that is another discussion for another time)

And to bluntly answer the question, I think Activision and Ubisoft will stick around for a while.

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MuchoMochi

If the install base continues to rise I think we will get ports. I don't know if they will be quality ports, but I think they'll be current multi-platforms that are also on the PS3, Xbox 360, PS4, and Xbox One. I'm worried about the lack of sales of the 3rd party titles, though. When the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are no longer supported we might actually have to worry. I don't think developers are going to want to spend much time focusing on the ports for the Wii U if it's going to lessen the visual quality of the game, or if the hardware is pushed past it's limits. I think Nintendo is going to have to pay for a lot of it's support and 3rd party titles if they want to give us titles they don't want to make themselves.

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eaglebob345

MuchoMochi wrote:

I think Nintendo is going to have to pay for a lot of it's support and 3rd party titles if they want to give us titles they don't want to make themselves.

That's a sad truth, seeing as third parties expect Nintendo to put themselves into an idiot money-hatting hole, right next to Sony, and I don't think Nintendo is that stupid. I know people like to brag about Sony's market share size and obsessions with power and graphics, but it is costing them money, too much money. The same with Microsoft to the poin that an upcoming CEO is thinking of canning the Xbox division. If push comes to shove, I could see Nintendo slurp up Japanese companies that are putting themselves in financial ruin, like Square Enix, or companies that are still good at making games, like Platinum Games.

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JaxonH wrote:

For one, Wii U has free online, and I refuse to pay for online gaming. I just won't do it.

Same here. Seems like a waste of money, when I could easily buy another game with that subscrition fee. I believe if Sony gave a choice this generation, then I would want a PS4 as well, but now I will just hope KH3 comes to the Wii U so I don't have to waste $400 for a console I don't want.

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eaglebob345 wrote:

If push comes to shove, I could see Nintendo slurp up Japanese companies that are putting themselves in financial ruin, like Square Enix, or companies that are still good at making games, like Platinum Games.

Capcom will go before Square Enix does. Nintendo buying out Capcom just feels natural. Sony would likely buy out Square Enix if they had the money. Who knows, Nintendo may buy out both Capcom and Square Enix.

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eaglebob345

JaxonH wrote:

I can definitely understand some people choosing other versions over Wii U, but I think a fair amount of multi-console Wii U gamers will be taking these factors into consideration. I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of gamers buy the Wii U version as opposed to the other ports.

I used to think that, and even tried to sway a few minds, but you would be surprised how many blind supporters of Sony don't know PS4 has mandatory online, feel they can justify wasting $50 a year to rent games, and and just plain hate Nintendo. They, speaking of ones I know personally, believe all Nintendo fans want are Mario and Zelda, when in reality I only like Mario Kart out of Mario games and am not to big on Zelda. These guy are some horrible graphics jerks and think that just because Sony wants to blow their money to keep their fanboys happy, not normal fans like I am, when in reality Sony doesn't do nearly as much as they think they do. I would rather play the Nintendo version of the knock off games Sony has, Playstation all stars and that little big planet kart racer anyone? Also, I was never one for pretty pictures and lacking gameplay, which is why Uncharted ajd Uncharted with zombies does not appeal to me. What gets me most of all is that they say Nintendo make too many of the same games, but they buy Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty every year, double standards they'll never understand.

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I actually do think Watch_Dogs will do ok, especially since it will be out after Mario Kart (afaik) but Wii U ver. will clearly just be a nice little bonus for money for Ubisoft. Think ZombiU level sales, except its just a port.

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eaglebob345 wrote:

MuchoMochi wrote:

I think Nintendo is going to have to pay for a lot of it's support and 3rd party titles if they want to give us titles they don't want to make themselves.

That's a sad truth, seeing as third parties expect Nintendo to put themselves into an idiot money-hatting hole, right next to Sony, and I don't think Nintendo is that stupid. I know people like to brag about Sony's market share size and obsessions with power and graphics, but it is costing them money, too much money. The same with Microsoft to the point that an upcoming CEO is thinking of canning the Xbox division. If push comes to shove, I could see Nintendo slurp up Japanese companies that are putting themselves in financial ruin, like Square Enix, or companies that are still good at making games, like Platinum Games.

Hey man, that's the reason Nintendo has existed as long as it has. They are the only real video game only company left in the business, that includes development, publishing, and manufacturing. I'd love it if Nintendo picked up Capcom and used their dormant IP's. They definitely would do Mega Man some justice, for God's sake someone has to! I don't know if Nintendo will pick up and buy a whole company though, they are very tentative with change and risking things now that they are the "little guy". I still wish they would have bought Atlus, it would have been amazing to get the Persona series on the Wii U and have those great RPG's and weird edgy titles. I think it would have done a lot for them. I'm glad they still have the companies support though. I do think that Nintendo will be the last one standing, the PS4 and Xbox One will be the last consoles from Sony and Microsoft respectively, at least consoles as we know them now. I think Nintendo will look strong as long as they can pull themselves out of this hole they dug themselves with their image, lack of marketing, and poor choices when it comes to their console. Don't get me wrong I love the Wii U, it's a great console. It just feels like it was only made for us fans as of now.

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eaglebob345 wrote:

If push comes to shove, I could see Nintendo slurp up Japanese companies that are putting themselves in financial ruin, like Square Enix, or companies that are still good at making games, like Platinum Games.

Capcom will go before Square Enix does. Nintendo buying out Capcom just feels natural. Sony would likely buy out Square Enix if they had the money. Who knows, Nintendo may buy out both Capcom and Square Enix.

I would fine with them being exclusive to one console, but when Wii U gets left out, it shows how little they think of us Nintendo fans when it comes to their games. It seems most of these third parties believe that crap that EA and Bethesda had been spouting since the Wii U came out. We are not all children, and I am willing to bet that the main "hardcore" fanbase they boast about are either insecure man babies or insecure teenaged boys. Half of these companies are afraid to put games on the only system where all of the gamers know first party is the best and that game quality should be beyond just graphics.

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MuchoMochi wrote:

eaglebob345 wrote:

MuchoMochi wrote:

I think Nintendo is going to have to pay for a lot of it's support and 3rd party titles if they want to give us titles they don't want to make themselves.

That's a sad truth, seeing as third parties expect Nintendo to put themselves into an idiot money-hatting hole, right next to Sony, and I don't think Nintendo is that stupid. I know people like to brag about Sony's market share size and obsessions with power and graphics, but it is costing them money, too much money. The same with Microsoft to the point that an upcoming CEO is thinking of canning the Xbox division. If push comes to shove, I could see Nintendo slurp up Japanese companies that are putting themselves in financial ruin, like Square Enix, or companies that are still good at making games, like Platinum Games.

Hey man, that's the reason Nintendo has existed as long as it has. They are the only real video game only company left in the business, that includes development, publishing, and manufacturing. I'd love it if Nintendo picked up Capcom and used their dormant IP's. They definitely would do Mega Man some justice, for God's sake someone has to! I don't know if Nintendo will pick up and buy a whole company though, they are very tentative with change and risking things now that they are the "little guy". I still wish they would have bought Atlus, it would have been amazing to get the Persona series on the Wii U and have those great RPG's and weird edgy titles. I think it would have done a lot for them. I'm glad they still have the companies support though. I do think that Nintendo will be the last one standing, the PS4 and Xbox One will be the last consoles from Sony and Microsoft respectively, at least consoles as we know them now. I think Nintendo will look strong as long as they can pull themselves out of this hole they dug themselves with their image, lack of marketing, and poor choices when it comes to their console. Don't get me wrong I love the Wii U, it's a great console. It just feels like it was only made for us fans as of now.

I was actually hoping Nintendo would take Atlus as well. I think Nintendo will probably have to pick up the pieces of the shattered gaming industry after this generation, when Sony and Microsoft are done beating it to death with their, ever shrinking, enormous bags of money. I am also hoping that Disney steps in and forces EA the put Star Wars Battlefront on Wii U and SE to put KH on it as well, probably won't happen but I am always hopeful. I am also hoping to see the struggle of these companies when projects start to fail left and right, when they saturate the twins with more of their same-game tactics as with last generation: yearly franchises, sports games, and FPS shooters need to take a long overdue fall from grace, from which they, hopefully, never recover.

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micronean

It's possible that when production costs get lower (as this gen unfolds, so maybe 2015) and more consoles are sold, the 3rd party ports will come to the Wii U. But first priority is to recoup the initial startup costs on Sony and Microsoft systems.

But I get the feeling the gaming landscape will be much different by then, and the super-realistic games will be on the way out and back into PC.

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I wish there was more news but I'm sure we would've heard by now if Ubisoft had said something.

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I don't see 3rd parties abandoning Wii U. They've supported Xbox One and PS4 without any indication of success.

PlayStation was the first console to sell over 100 million units, The PS2 was the best selling console to date. The PS3 outsold the Xbox360 after a bad start, according to analysts the PS3 could become the best selling console of last gen. And your wondering why 3rd party's support PlayStation, not only that over the years Sony has helped 3rd party's with technical issues.

Sony now has there own 3rd party production team, that will work with publishers to bring there IP's to there platform.localize games that would normally never come over to the west, port games over to there platforms like thay are doing at the moment with Borderlands2 for the PSVit's and lots more. Also before a console is released thay'll have a list of game engines, publishers, developers and a lot more that will support there platform, the last time I looked the PS4 had the most support.

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banacheck wrote:

The PS3 outsold the Xbox360 after a bad start

Not in America.

, according to analysts the PS3 could become the best selling console of last gen.

lol, yeah... not going to happen by a longshot.

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dumedum wrote:

banacheck wrote:

according to analysts the PS3 could become the best selling console of last gen.

lol, yeah... not going to happen by a longshot.

The original Playstation sold 30 million consoles after the PS2 launched, and the PS2 sold 55 million consoles after the PS3 launched. I don't think PS3 getting an additional 20 million sales is that far-fetched.

I really doubt Nintendo will go buying out other publishers. All you get is the IP. They could spend a ridiculous amount of money to buy Capcom, and all the people working for Capcom could leave the very next day. Nintendo are smart enough to realise this.

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dumedum

Peach64 wrote:

dumedum wrote:

banacheck wrote:

according to analysts the PS3 could become the best selling console of last gen.

lol, yeah... not going to happen by a longshot.

The original Playstation sold 30 million consoles after the PS2 launched, and the PS2 sold 55 million consoles after the PS3 launched. I don't think PS3 getting an additional 20 million sales is that far-fetched..

It IS far fetched. You know the Wii keeps selling too. People even buy the Wii mini in the U.S.

I really doubt Nintendo will go buying out other publishers. All you get is the IP. They could spend a ridiculous amount of money to buy Capcom, and all the people working for Capcom could leave the very next day. Nintendo are smart enough to realise this.

IP is huge though. And there are ways to retain employees, through contracts and incentive bonus. Mass people usually don't leave unless they have to. Not that I think Nintendo will buy Capcom.

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I doubt it. We'll probably see one every once in a blue moon.

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dumedum wrote:

Peach64 wrote:

dumedum wrote:

banacheck wrote:

according to analysts the PS3 could become the best selling console of last gen.

lol, yeah... not going to happen by a longshot.

The original Playstation sold 30 million consoles after the PS2 launched, and the PS2 sold 55 million consoles after the PS3 launched. I don't think PS3 getting an additional 20 million sales is that far-fetched..

It IS far fetched. You know the Wii keeps selling too. People even buy the Wii mini in the U.S.

Although the Wii is still selling, the PS3 is selling in higher numbers and will continue to do so as it also doubles as a bluray player and there is added value there. Not to mention, as of this past October, Nintendo has ceased production of the Wiii. 3-5 years from now, it's not out of the question that the PS3 has either reached 100 million in sales or comes damn close.

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dumedum

JohnRedcorn wrote:

Not to mention, as of this past October, Nintendo has ceased production of the Wiii. .

Nope. Not in America (Nintendo's biggest and most popular market for Wii). If PS3 is selling globally 80,000 a week, and Wii 20,000, then that's a 60,000 difference. Even assuming it keeps up with this rate forever, it will take more than 8 years for the PS3 to pass the Wii and not 3-5 years. And of course it won't keep up the rate... Wii's price cut to something ridiculous in the U.S. will increase it too.

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