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Topic: Console Cost of Ownership (and WiiU Price Drop)

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JumpnShootMan

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Much has been made of the WiiU price in comparison to the other NextGens (especially PS4), and it ended up with Nintendo dropping the price of the WiiU today. That's probably a good move, but I think Nintendo needs to push the idea of "cost of ownership". The line right now is that WiiU is $100 cheaper than PS4, which is $100 cheaper than the XBONE. But what if you look at that in terms of how much it costs to own the things and get a comparable experience>

I ran the numbers: If you want the console, 2 controllers, motion controls, a retail game, 500GB of storage, blu ray, a headset and online play (calculated for 7 years here) you'll pay $505 for the WiiU (+external hard drive and cheapish Sony Blu Ray player), 980 for a PS4, and 1060 for XBONE. If you own a Wii + accessories and Blu Ray player then the WiiU price drops to $415. Not shabby at less than half what the PS4 will run you (and remember, even if you own a PS3, it's not going to help reduce the cost of accessories and such).

So why doesn't Nintendo push this line? WiiU is an absolute bargain if you're trying to get an equivalent experience (as close as possible), and I feel like this is getting lost in the discussion of the NextGen consoles. Thoughts?

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To be completely fair, it's only going to be a real deal less if you don't want to download anything from the E-Shop, have tons of doods to play local multiplayer with, and have lots of Wii accessories.

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They don't push that because they want you to see the Wii U as $299, not $505.

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Minimum:
Wii U + 2/3DS = $430/470
PS4 + Vita = $600
Xbox One + Windows 8 tablet = $800

Maximum including complete remote set approximately:
Wii U/3DS = $870/910 + $100 max. on ext HDD
PS4/Vita = $1100
Xbox One/tablet = $1040

Online, add $350 or $420 for PS4 and Xbox One respectively.
Online for PS4 ends up costing the same as Wii U, and Xbox One online ends up costing the same as a PS4 about.

I've already spent way more than any of those on ONLY the Wii U, because of software. 9 full retail(one ends up being free because of the Deluxe Digital Promo, not including Nintendo Land), 3 download only, and 20 VC.

Then I have a 3DS XL with ton of stuff, too. I'm well over $2000, already. I'm just gonna go Nintendo for now.

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there are other things to consider, for a PS4 you only need a second controller and you are good to go for all 2 player games available int he console.. For the Wii U if you really want to play everything the console has to offer for two players you need 2 Wii Motes + Nunchuks, 2 Wii Classic Controlers, and would probably need a second gamepad that woudl cost at least US$100 once games come that require it.

PS4 is also not region locked.... something that doesn't matter much if you live in the U.S. but would save you a lot of money if you are in Pal regions. PS4 also doesn't tie games to the console so you pay a bit extra but get the security that you won't lose your digital downloads....

Also you have to consider that the Wii U is not an equivalent experience, most third party titles available for the Wii U are inferior ports of games available in cheaper "last gen" consoles, if you only care about Nintendo games and don't care about games developed by anyone else then yes the Wii U is a better deal, but if you want to have access to a comparable library of games you need to add a gaming pc to the cost of the Wii U in order to access the next gen multiplats the Wii U is not gonna get, and that pushes it over the price of the other consoles

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@Brooks83: Fair point. I still think Nintendo would benefit from consumers viewing PS4 or XBONE as a $1000 commitment, even if they view the WiiU as a $500 console. So why isn't it something that the video game media has picked up on? Or at least something that Nintendo fans don't bring up when the inevitable console argument comes up?

@ferthepoet: Of course each console has its own library of games and each individual console offers its own experience. So no, you can't really get an exact equivalent experience. I didn't mean to imply that if I did; but this is the price comparison if you're trying to get the same capabilities on each system. You won't get all the AAA titles on WiiU (but you will get Call of Duty, WatchDogs, Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell, etc), but you won't get Nintendo games on the others, and I think that that would be a compromise a lot of gamers (people not dedicated to any of the big 3) would be willing to make.

Anyways, I think you can play most if not all of the games on WiiU with the Gamepad, a Pro Controller and a WiiMote. At least all the games I own (that aren't Wii games) don't require the nunchuck without supporting the Pro Controller. And I don't think most consumers care that much about Region Locking; that's been widely debated with hardcore gamers on both sides of the issue.

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First I'd like to say value is a subjective term.  What's valuable to me, may not be to you.   Second, it seems like the OP, @Scar392 and others are pointing out the console that's the least expensive to own, not the console with the most value.  Now if you have enough to buy 1 of the consoles you have to take into account price (which you guys seem to be accurate on), life cycle, and games that console can play versus games it can't play.

Playable games vs non-playable games & life cycle are bigger issues for me & believe both the xb1&ps4 at their respective prices are better values.  I often hear Nintendo fans talk about how they "have a pc for those games".  Well the purchase of/ maintenance of said pc drives up their over all gaming costs.  But they get the best Playable vs Non-playable ratio in the biz.  Is it worth it?  Again value is subjective.

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@Scar392

Your assuming that people need a Tablet or a Vita to use the Xbox One and Playstatin 4. Xbox Smartglass at least doesn't need a windows 8 tablet it can be used using.

Windows 8 Tablets and laptops
Windows Phone 8
Windows 8 tablet
android phones and tablets
Ios phones and tablets

Is that really an added cost when those devices are mainstream and the majority of console owners probably have any on of these. I already have a nexus 4 and 7 and don't have to buy or upgrade to get them to work with smartglass on xbox one.

If were just comparing the prices of items that are truly needed for each system it burns to

Wii U -$360-$400 (I'm including HDD here)
Xbox One- $560 (assuming you don't already have Xbox Live)
Playstation 4 $450 (assuming you don't already have PlayStation 4.

Honestly it mostly depends on the feature set you really want at launch and what games you want.

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JumpnShootMan

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@Sony70: I won't argue with the price of the HDD though I think you can think you can get it cheaper than $60. BUT I think your pricing assumes only one year of the online services? If you extrapolate for the life of the console, the price skyrockets for PS4 and XBoxOne

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@JumpnShootman wow, your xb1/ps4 $1000 commitment vs wii u $500 commitment is so inaccurate.
First, your going off a 7 year cycle which Nintendo hasn't had since the 1983-1990 NES.  Second, your folding over wii aspects to wii u owners to save money on your comparison.  But the ps plus is stackable which means there are groups of people who've extended their ps+ into the ps4's life cycle already.  Which would save them money in your comparison.  Oh and you get free ps4 games(drive club is one example) with ps+ adding to the value.  Furthermore, wii u is getting assassin's, CoD, Watchdogs, etc.  But can we be sure the wii u will get subsequent franchise releases (watchdogs 2, assassin's 5--these games may be a ways away but based on history, still within your 7 year theory)

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@Sony70: I won't argue with the price of the HDD though I think you can think you can get it cheaper than $60. BUT I think your pricing assumes only one year of the online services? If you extrapolate for the life of the console, the price skyrockets for PS4 and XBoxOne

Yeah but I'm going with the initial pricing upon first buy. For xbox lve you could always use bing rewards to get gold for free.

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@uptownsoul: The Wii was released in 2006, with the WiiU being released in 2012. That's six years, so that's not way off. Besides that, the life of the Nintendo console doesn't mean much because you're not paying a monthly subscription. It's the life of the others that matters more, and those have had a 7 year life-span (2006-2013). Secondly, I didn't save WiiU owners any money when I said $500: Console, 300; Pro Controller, 50; WiiMote, 40; Headset, 20; 500GB of storage, 45; Sony Blu Ray, 50. That's $505, right? In fact, I added $50 to the WiiU by assuming that the consumer didn't have--and would want--a BluRay.

So lets talk PS+. I've never had it, so I don't know the ins and outs of it. I calculated it based on a $60 a year commitment for 7 years, which was the most accurate price point I could come up with in a quick check. I'm all ears if you can tell me why that's wrong. And yup.... free PS4 games, so that definitely adds value there. My only question is (a) are they games people really want and (b) is it worth the money to get games you never ask for vs. keeping the money and the freedom to buy the games to you want? That's something that hinges primarily on what games they are and who you are as a game.

And I agree on the games library. We can't be sure we'll get sequels, but we don't know we won't. If the install base of the WiiU picks up--or if PS4/XBox have similar struggles (and some think they will), then it'll be more likely. And besides--even though I know a lot of people won't care--I can guarantee that PS4/XBox users won't be getting any Mario/ Zelda/ Metroid/ Donkey Kong/ Pikmin/ Bayonetta/ SmashBros/ MarioKart, etc.

You said earlier that value is a subjective term, and I agree 100% with that. I'm not saying that no one should buy PS4 or XBox. I'd get one if money weren't involved, just so I could be sure I'd get all the AAA titles. It's obviously about the games library and the sevices. But at some point the difference between the $ commitment has to play a role for the undecided gamers.

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Sony_70 wrote:

JumpnShootMan wrote:

@Sony70: I won't argue with the price of the HDD though I think you can think you can get it cheaper than $60. BUT I think your pricing assumes only one year of the online services? If you extrapolate for the life of the console, the price skyrockets for PS4 and XBoxOne

Yeah but I'm going with the initial pricing upon first buy. For xbox lve you could always use bing rewards to get gold for free.

I wasn't aware of that. That's cool that you can do that. But how much do you have to spend to get XBox Live for Free?

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JumpnShootMan wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

JumpnShootMan wrote:

@Sony70: I won't argue with the price of the HDD though I think you can think you can get it cheaper than $60. BUT I think your pricing assumes only one year of the online services? If you extrapolate for the life of the console, the price skyrockets for PS4 and XBoxOne

Yeah but I'm going with the initial pricing upon first buy. For xbox lve you could always use bing rewards to get gold for free.

I wasn't aware of that. That's cool that you can do that. But how much do you have to spend to get XBox Live for Free?

699 or 799 if your a gold status member (meaning you search a lot.) You get about 17 points a day (it used to be 30) meaning you should have enough points enough to get gold every month.

You can also use points for xbox live money,

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@JumpnShootman "the life of the Nintendo console doesn't mean much because you're not paying a monthly subscription.". Really?!?  The idea that your dismissing life cycles is astounding.    So if an undecided consumer this holiday found out that they'd have to buy another Nintendo console in 4-5 years (making the wii u's life cycle 5-6 years) as opposed to 7-8 years from xb1/ps4, that wouldn't be a factor?!?!?  C'mon man

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An awesome thing about numbers and values is that you can twist them to back up any thing you want.

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@Uptownsoul I was referring to the yearly pricing for online gaming, so yeah, it didn't mean much in the calculation is what I meant. The life-cycle of Nintendo consoles isn't that different from that of Sony. Xbox doesn't have much of a track record (5 yrs b/w Xbox and 360; 7 b/w 360 and One). If the consumer knows it's going to be discontinued in 3 years like the DreamCast was, then yeah. That'd make a difference. But I don't seriously think the guy walking into a BestBuy and trying to figure out what they want to buy now is thinking about if the system will be around 7 years from now or 6.

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@JumpnShootman the 360 was from 2005-2013 so that's 8years.  The ps3 was 2006-2013, 7 years.  And every Nintendo console since NES has been either 5 or 6 years from launch.  Taking into account the wii u's out a year this holiday, that would give it 4years min- 5 years max from this holiday.  The other consoles can be from 7 to 8 years.  So the max cycle of the wii u to the min cycle of the others is a 2year difference.  But the min cycle of the wii u to the max of the others is a 4year difference.  And as far as the undecided consumer, if they're going to calculate all of what you said they're going to calculate this too.  Oh and the ps4 is probably going to be an 8year cycle too.  Ps1 5year cycle, ps2 6years, ps3 7years...anybody seeing a pattern?

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@JumpnShootman the 360 was from 2005-2013 so that's 8years.  The ps3 was 2006-2013, 7 years.  And every Nintendo console since NES has been either 5 or 6 years from launch.  Taking into account the wii u's out a year this holiday, that would give it 4years min- 5 years max from this holiday.  The other consoles can be from 7 to 8 years.  So the max cycle of the wii u to the min cycle of the others is a 2year difference.  But the min cycle of the wii u to the max of the others is a 4year difference.  And as far as the undecided consumer, if they're going to calculate all of what you said they're going to calculate this too.  Oh and the ps4 is probably going to be an 8year cycle too.  Ps1 5year cycle, ps2 6years, ps3 7years...anybody seeing a pattern?

If this actually happens then Nintendo is going to be put into a great place. They could get on a opposite console cycle than Microsoft and Sony. So if the console life cycle becomes an average of 8 years it could turn into Xbox One and PS4 released in 2013, the Next Nintendo Console released in 2017, The next Microsoft and Sony Consoles released 2021, the next Nintendo Console released 2025 and so on. I had this idea awhile ago and it would be interesting if Nintendo does this. It could be a big boom for Nintendo.

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Ryno wrote:

An awesome thing about numbers and values is that you can twist them to back up any thing you want.

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