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Sentinator

This is what I will say to the haters if Platinum go Wii U exclusive

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Look at this seriously and you can see why Platinum want this. Other publishers dump their games on Platinum (Metal Gear) but they aren't interested in using Platinum's own games. Nintendo have shown on at least one occasion they are willing to publish Platinum's own work. Platinum obviously have their own ideas and tonnes of pitched games to multiple publishers have been rejected due to poor sales. Its obvious nobody wants Platinum's franchises so the smartest move Nintendo could make right now is signing them up. All it depends on is if Nintendo is willing to feel the burn of their flops. They can make the money back from their own games so to me they have nothing to lose.

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moomoo

If that were the case, Platinum wouldn't have to worry about the one thing they seem to have trouble with: making money.
Seriously, it's like all of their games have massive cult followings but struggle to do well financially (barring Metal Gear Rising, which has actually been quite successful, if only because of the name attached to it). If Nintendo were to own a portion of Platinum, this could be changed.

Also, I'll use Rare as a way to show the difference between a 2nd party and a 1st party company in video games. When Rare made Nintendo games, they were a 2nd party developer, since Nintendo owned about half of the company, but weren't able to exert full control over their operations. It's why Rare was able to put out pretty much any IP they wanted (including Conker) and own said IPs. Rare under Microsoft, however, is a 1st party developer, since they are completely owned by Microsoft.

Basically, Platinum being a second party would allow for them to make the games they want to make without worrying about how successful it may turn out, as the company wouldn't be completely absorbed by Nintendo, but partially. This would be a wise move by Nintendo, if only because it would greatly round out their game catalogue.

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Phatosaurus wrote:

Kamiya posted this on Twitter about an hour ago.

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I'd like to see them go second party. I really would. If they stay independent, I can't see them being able to make the games that they do and keep their head above water in the coming years.

Edit: Also keep in mind that Kamiya doesn't handle the business side of Platinum Games.
Even though he wants PG to be a second party developer, it's not his decision.

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Bryon15

Here's how it was. Platinum Games was once Clover Studios working with Capcom. They made God Hand, Okami & the Viewtiful Joe games with Capcom and they STILL ended up bankrupt. Then Sega came along, made a 4 game publishing deal with them - Bayonetta(PS3/360), Madworld(Wii), Vanquish(PS3/360) and Infinite Space(DS) - and look what Sega did them? "The sales for each game are well below expectations" and they ditched them too.

Hell if it wasn't for Nintendo I don't think we would have a Platinum Games anymore. They would have ceased to exist soon without Nintendo's Publishing Funding. But trolls, keep saying that they were better off as a 3rd party. Because evidence say there weren't. Their publishers all treated them like dirt and didn't respect their ideas, and had lofty profit expectations. Those kinds of publishers I wouldn't want to work for anymore.

And it is looking like Nintendo is actually nurturing Platinum Games instead of throwing them in a corner and telling them what the deadline & budget is and leaving them be. The are working hand-in-hand with their newest "child." They could be the next Rare or Retro Studios for Nintendo. I look forward to that.

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kkslider5552000

Yeah, I don't get how anyone who owns a Nintendo console, could be against them being 2nd party. When has that ever turned out bad? I mean, I think the only reason they won't is simply because they'd prefer to be independent after past experiences but I wouldn't be against it. Even as someone who didn't really like so much the one post-Clover game I played from them (Vanquish), it's probably just unfair that they haven't been raking in the moneys despite making some of the most consistently critically acclaimed games. Like, if you take your work seriously, I'd think you'd probably be pretty frustrated when your projects so frequently don't make a profit despite everyone praising it. This honestly has nothing to do with Nintendo, I'm astounded at how many stupid people were buying Homefront or something else worthless instead.

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Sony_70 wrote:

Any developer who works for Nintendo pretty close is considered Second Party, I think its like that for all of the big three. I wonder what this means for the rumored Xbox One game from platinum.

No, not unless they work exclusively with Nintendo.

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Sentinator

Bryon15 wrote:

Here's how it was. Platinum Games was once Clover Studios working with Capcom. They made God Hand, Okami & the Viewtiful Joe games with Capcom and they STILL ended up bankrupt. Then Sega came along, made a 4 game publishing deal with them - Bayonetta(PS3/360), Madworld(Wii), Vanquish(PS3/360) and Infinite Space(DS) - and look what Sega did them? "The sales for each game are well below expectations" and they ditched them too.

The ironic thing is Sega blamed the Wii for Madworld's poor sales but when the sequel came to the others, it still flopped hard.

http://community.platinumgames.com/showthread.php?387-Anarchy...

I find it pretty funny how a lot of PS360 fans claim we don't buy games yet Bayonetta 2 is only in this situation because Sega didn't think the original sold enough. Yet it sold what would have been considered immense success last generation. Even funnier is other publishers believe it didn't sell enough. The people who claim they were better as a third party only do so because the games used to come out on their systems. But Platinum's own titles no longer have any interest to the vast majority of the publishers. So even if they want to make games on the other systems no publisher is interested enough to let them try. These people want to wake up and blame the real culprits here. Sega being the main one.

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kkslider5552000

I simultaneously strongly agree and disagree with the idea that Nintendo fans don't buy non-Nintendo games. First of all, fans like that who will buy Mario Party 9 over critically acclaimed games from genres they probably love do exist, are terrible and should feel terrible. But I don't think a lot of the casual stuff (barring certain things for Kinect) would be nearly as big a hit elsewhere more often than not, and there are other games that have done well on Nintendo. It's just that people assume that Nintendo fans are the exact same audience as every other gaming system, when they often really are not. "Yes, I'm sure the average Nintendo fan wants to play a squad based shooter". There is a certain bias to first party games though (often deserved admittedly), and Nintendo needs to change that. Working with Platinum extensively can help. I'd honestly suggest during the next time there's a notable break between first party releases to focus heavily on stuff like Mario costumes in Rayman or publishing a Lego game or something similar to make 3rd parties relevant to people, including Nintendo's own fans. Stuff where Nintendo is directly telling their fans why a 3rd party game is cool. Their current work with Platinum and Atlus are obviously similar ideas, and I highly approve of that. Especially considering how those companies are great examples of how "popular japanese games" have felt like an oxymoron a lot of the time.

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I say go for it. Let's be honest, Nintendo would probably be the only company willing to take them now. PG games just don't sell well, even if they're great. I'd say they'd fit right in with the Nintendo family.

And if Nintendo does in fact take them. which I think they will, why not put put PG on Star Fox since Miyamoto obviously doesn't care about that series anymore.

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It'd be good if they became second party but i'm not sure they'll be able to sell enough for Nintendo to consider taking them, sure they make fantastic games but look at their previous games they didn't sell very well. I could be completely wrong though and i'd like to be, but so far Wonderful 101 hasn't done so hot in Japan.

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TheLilK98 wrote:

I'd be cool with Nintendo buying both Platinum and Atlus as long as they keep their creative control.

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shingi_70

I wouldn't mind it either. I personally think Nintendo's game out put isn't as diverse as it could be with Nintendo's style of output, (mostly kid friendly and all ages which isn't bad). I'd prefer Nintendo acquire other companies who make types of games Nintendo really doesn't and be the Miramax to Nintendo's Disney.

-Atlus making RPGs with the Persona/Shin Megmai Flair
-Monolith Soft- doing what they do best.
-platinum Action Games

Still wish they would expand retro and give them more freedom like sony and Microsoft has done with Naughty Dog and 343.

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Problem is that they're niche games anyway so expanding the portfolio may not be as favorable as you think

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Dark_Link

TheLilK98 wrote:

I'd be cool with Nintendo buying both Platinum and Atlus as long as they keep their creative control.

Me too!

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Sony_70 wrote:

I wouldn't mind it either. I personally think Nintendo's game out put isn't as diverse as it could be with Nintendo's style of output, (mostly kid friendly and all ages which isn't bad). I'd prefer Nintendo acquire other companies who make types of games Nintendo really doesn't and be the Miramax to Nintendo's Disney.

-Atlus making RPGs with the Persona/Shin Megmai Flair
-Monolith Soft- doing what they do best.
-platinum Action Games

Still wish they would expand retro and give them more freedom like sony and Microsoft has done with Naughty Dog and 343.

In my opinion if Nintendo owned Platinum, I would do this.
Give Retro one Nintendo IP and allow them to also create a new IP and do the same thing with Platinum. This would allow Nintendo to play it safe and bring some of their classic IP's and still stay fresh and bring out some brand new IP's. It would also keep the studio's from in my opinion of getting bored and allowing them to really be creative.

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ScroogeMcLz wrote:

Problem is that they're niche games anyway so expanding the portfolio may not be as favorable as you think

Metal Gear Rising was a massive success, selling way past a million copies.
Platinum's prowess with Nintendo's intellectual properties could result in Nintendo using their cards at their greatest extent.

Plus, as far as I know, Platinum doesn't own most of their IPs, so their past niche factor may not factor in. If anyone can correct me, please do.

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Despite liking revengance I don't think I'd like to see Platnuim work on a Nintendo IP unless its something like Takamaru's castle where tey can pretty much do what ever they want.

I think Retro will probably make a third Donkey Kong game to my disappointment. . I'd rather see them tackle Star Fox or a new IP. I know why their making Tropical reeze but it seems like the most unnecessary game of Nintendo's line up.

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Sentinator

You know if this works out and both sides are happy the studio may eventually rethink being completely first party for Nintendo. Part of the problem with Platinum now is that nobody else seems to want them. I think they are hoping to build themselves and then part ways but looking at how their output did both as Clover and Platinum it seems unlikely. Right now they want to have the freedom of an independent developer but if they really are as bad off as some claim they may be up for it.

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