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DefHalan

SCAR392 wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Downloadable content can mean a lot, technically a patch is DLC. I have seen that happen. Plus didn't SCAR say they had some Gun Skin out for awhile or something? That would also make it not false advertising.

They had camo DLC for like a week, or something.

As it stands now, DLC isn't supported, but the box says it clear as day.

So DLC was supported. Just cause it says on the box doesn't mean they have to provide it always. They gave people DLC, it may not be what people wanted but they provided DLC. So the fact t hat it says it on the box doesn't apply.

EDIT: Back to the topic. DLC for Ghosts on Wii U. I don't think it will happen but if it does then I might buy it

Edited on by DefHalan

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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DudeSean

They won't release DLC. There's not enough players online. Releasing DLC would make the online unplayable. It would divide an already small community. Ever try to play some of the less popular game modes online?

DudeSean

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DefHalan

DudeSean wrote:

They won't release DLC. There's not enough players online. Releasing DLC would make the online unplayable. It would divide an already small community. Ever try to play some of the less popular game modes online?

I had that problem with AvP 2010. I got the DLC but never got to play it because of the small fanbase. That said if it isn't DLC for matchmaking then the fanbase won't be affected. If it is for something like a Horde mode it won't split the fanbase too much and people with the DLC can still play with people without the DLC on Non-DLC maps. So in matchmaking I agree but in custom games, I don't agree. I think it is as simple as money, Wii U version didn't sell well.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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OptometristLime

This will be slightly out of context, but I feel some relevant discussion took place in a another thread; hopefully there's some continuity, since @DudeSean 's arguments straddle two threads.

(WOT)

JohnRedcorn wrote:

OptometristLime wrote:

Personally, I feel the developer is to blame for releasing a neutered version of COD. The fans are owed an explanation...

The explanation is that there are like 2000 people at any given time playing COD online on the Wii-U, out of the (possibly) tens of thousands who actually own the game. Now release DLC (that likely won't sell enough to make it worthwhile for Activision anyway) that will be bought by an even smaller percentage of the active online community, and you now have a MUCH smaller pool of gamers who own the DLC maps on the Wii-U and who are playing online.

It's just as @DudeSean said, and it should be plain as day to anyone with a basic grasp of logic. Activision doesn't need to "explain" why they didn't release DLC for the Wii-U, as you just finished reading the reason why. Activision is going to do what is good for them They are not going to flush their own money down the toilet just to be "nice guys" by putting DLC on the Wii-U that will ....

a) sell less downloads than on any other consoles
b) further fragmenting an already tiny online community, creating more problems (people who bought DLC aren't able to easily find games against others)

My question arises from @DudeSean 's analogy [the notion that a DLC-ready sticker and Wii U Classic Controller support can be considered equivalent] — if the comparison holds and all features on the box are indeed "supported", shouldn't the developer be held accountable if the content never materializes? Expectation generated by the sticker, in other words.
Saying that it was never intended for the console and Nintendo fans are stupid to expect it; well that's poor marketing and a feeble excuse. Obviously "new fans" are the ones being targeted for the product, if they feel disenfranchised your game has failed.

The above @JohnRedcorn explanation makes sense, provided Activision did in fact intend plan for a DLC release (but was overruled by the market).

Edited on by OptometristLime

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SCRAPPER392

If you look on the back of PS3 game cases, it says add-on content. That means DLC.

@DefHalen
They made it available for a limited time, IIRC. That still doesn't change its current absence.

I get that the online community is small, but people still bought the game, thinking it wouldn't be that way, and DLC would be available. Maybe this just shows that they shouldn't put out so much DLC, because now CoD is DLC based, and the game isn't "completed" anyway.

You guys are right. Screw the DLC. I'm still not buying another Activision game unless the DLC already exists when I buy it.

Edited on by SCRAPPER392

Qwest

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DudeSean

OptometristLime wrote:

My question arises from @DudeSean 's analogy [the notion that a DLC-ready sticker and Wii U Classic Controller support can be considered equivalent] — if the comparison holds and all features on the box are indeed "supported", shouldn't the developer be held accountable if the content never materializes? Expectation generated by the sticker, in other words.

No.

OptometristLime wrote:

Saying that it was never intended for the console and Nintendo fans are stupid to expect it; well that's poor marketing and a feeble excuse. Obviously "new fans" are the ones being targeted for the product, if they feel disenfranchised your game has failed.

Who said it was never intended?

OptometristLime wrote:

The above @JohnRedcorn explanation makes sense, provided Activision did in fact intend plan for a DLC release (but was overruled by the market).

He was reiterating what I said so it's weird that you act like he's saying something different from me.

DudeSean

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OptometristLime

This is mostly a copy and paste effort (at your behest) so, I won't try to defend my arguments.

Edited on by OptometristLime

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DefHalan

SCAR392 wrote:

@DefHalen
They made it available for a limited time, IIRC. That still doesn't change its current absence.

So DLC was supported and that closes the fact that it says it on the box. I still think it is messed up not to have the DLC available but I understand why

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Hy8ogen

Seriously though, if DLC is not coming for the Ghosts I will never buy a COD game on the Wii U ever again. Both BLOPS2 and Ghosts not having DLC is enough.

Call me crazy but I believe Nintendo can be in a position to pressure Activision to put the DLC on the Wii U. As it turns out Nintendo doesn't gives a doggieoopsiepoopiepoodle.

Edited on by LzWinky

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SCRAPPER392

Wii U won't be getting DLC, but perhaps this can serve as a lesson on how DLC has gotten kind of out of hand.

There arguably shouldn't be that much DLC for this game, anyway...

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DefHalan

Kevin1991 wrote:

Seriously though, if DLC is not coming for the Ghosts I will never buy a COD game on the Wii U ever again. Both BLOPS2 and Ghosts not having DLC is enough.

Call me crazy but I believe Nintendo can be in a position to pressure Activision to put the DLC on the Wii U. As it turns out Nintendo doesn't gives a doggieoopsiepoopiepoodle.

Would getting this DLC help Nintendo? How much would Nintendo need to pay and how much would they make off the DLC? Not sure what Nintendo can do other than urge them to take advantage of the feature and grow their install base. DLC might help encourage people to use the Wii U for Call of Duty, just not sure how much it is worth.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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DudeSean

SCAR392 wrote:

You guys are right. Screw the DLC. I'm still not buying another Activision game unless the DLC already exists when I buy it.

If you're just not buying the game because there's no DLC then you're hurting the chances of the game getting DLC.

DudeSean

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SCRAPPER392

DudeSean wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

You guys are right. Screw the DLC. I'm still not buying another Activision game unless the DLC already exists when I buy it.

If you're just not buying the game because there's no DLC then you're hurting the chances of the game getting DLC.

It doesn't matter. Like I said, they were leading on all potential and existing customers by not explicitly saying that DLC wouldn't be available, and that still doesn't change that their box says that it will.

Nuketown, Free Fall map, etc. DLC that was FREE didn't even show up.

"This DLC will be available for all platforms". They've said that more times than I can count, and it never meant Wii U. Activusion can f*** off.

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Hy8ogen

DefHalan wrote:

Kevin1991 wrote:

Seriously though, if DLC is not coming for the Ghosts I will never buy a COD game on the Wii U ever again. Both BLOPS2 and Ghosts not having DLC is enough.

Call me crazy but I believe Nintendo can be in a position to pressure Activision to put the DLC on the Wii U. As it turns out Nintendo doesn't gives a doggieoopsiepoopiepoodle.

Would getting this DLC help Nintendo? How much would Nintendo need to pay and how much would they make off the DLC? Not sure what Nintendo can do other than urge them to take advantage of the feature and grow their install base. DLC might help encourage people to use the Wii U for Call of Duty, just not sure how much it is worth.

Would the DLC help Nintendo? I have no clue to be honest but at least if the Wii U gets the DLC, people will stop treating the Wii U like an unwanted child?

Look I love my Wii U and I have spent close to 600++hours on it. It is a amazing piece of gaming hardware but it is just these issues that bugs the hell out of me. When I bought the Wii U i thought that it could serve as the "One" console for this Gen because Nintendo promised solid 3rd party and 1st party titles.

However giving the reality of the situation, I guess I might be picking up a PS4 very soon.

Edited on by Hy8ogen

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DudeSean

SCAR392 wrote:

"This DLC will be available for all platforms". They've said that more times than I can count, and it never meant Wii U. Activusion can f*** off.

They never said that. In fact, it did say on the website that it may not be available on all platforms. If you can find a source saying that Activision said that then I will concede. There is a quote where Activision said that the Wii U version would be the same as the playstation and xbox versions, but I feel that is still a true statement, although misleading, because all of the content on the disc is the same. DLC is extra and doesn't count.

Face facts, man. You assumed it would get DLC, they never told you it would. Yeah, they did lead people on to believe that it might get DLC, but I'm sure that was to increase sales and if sales were good enough, we would have gotten DLC. I fail to see how Activision has done anything wrong here. They don't even have to bring us Call of Duty at all, but Treyarch makes sure they do, and for that I am very greatful. Be happy with what you have instead of being angry over what you don't have. You'll live a much happier life. Just my 2 cents.

DudeSean

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SCRAPPER392

@DudeSean
I didn't assume. They said they were working on getting DLC on Wii U, before the game even came out. Apparently, it never materialized.

You just said yourself, that they said it would be the same experience on all platforms. I guess the DLC being absent on one, but not the others is the same experience?

I'm not angry over what I don't have. I'm angry, because they said that it would be the same and were making the effort to get DLC on Wii U, which effected my decision to buy the game. Since it didn't happen, that just means Activision fell short. "Add on content" being on the box means that they took a gamble, and now everyone is paying for it, including Activision,

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DudeSean

See, that's the thing here. Black Ops on Wii hinted that it might get DLC. Black Ops 2 on Wii U hinted that it might get DLC. And now Ghosts on Wii U hinted that it might get DLC. This is nothing new and why plenty of people who have been playing CoD games on Nintendo consoles for the past few years knew better than to get their hopes up. You didn't know better and as a result that made you naive. Seriously. Look up the definition of the word. It describes you in this exact case.

I'm not going to continue to argue your points here because I've already explained it all.

DudeSean

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SCRAPPER392

@DudeSean
I can admit that I didn't know that Black Ops on Wii might have gotten DLC, but that shouldn't be effecting what you think you think about a future entry on a new console. Most of the DLC issues on Wii were a result of not having much online. Basically everything has been improved.

It's just as naive to think that the situation will be the same from Wii to Wii U, which is what you just told me you're basing your claim on.

If someone had bought CoD on Wii U, to escape online fees, there's a possibility that their expectations of a series would be present on another console.

Lots of people online are always like "Where's the DLC?". That's because people bought it thinking it would be there. I'm not alone on that one.

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DudeSean

SCAR392 wrote:

It's just as naive to think that the situation will be the same from Wii to Wii U, which is what you just told me you're basing your claim on.

Expecting the situation to be the same is not naive. That's the opposite of naive. And we're not going from Wii to Wii U here. We're going from Wii U (Black Ops 2) to Wii U (Ghosts).

SCAR392 wrote:

If someone had bought CoD on Wii U, to escape online fees, there's a possibility that their expectations of a series would be present on another console.

Lots of people online are always like "Where's the DLC?". That's because people bought it thinking it would be there. I'm not alone on that one.

Yeah. I never said you were alone.

DudeSean

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SCRAPPER392

DudeSean wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

It's just as naive to think that the situation will be the same from Wii to Wii U, which is what you just told me you're basing your claim on.

Expecting the situation to be the same is not naive. That's the opposite of naive. And we're not going from Wii to Wii U here. We're going from Wii U (Black Ops 2) to Wii U (Ghosts)..

The situation isn't the same, because of hardware. You're failing to understand the difference between the eShop and Wii Shop channel.

Also, if we're going from Black Ops II to Ghosts, then your comparison to Black Ops on Wii, still continues to be void.

If you didn't thing things would change from Wii to Wii U, you're ot understanding the hardware and examples set in place by 7th gen games with the exact same piece of software.

That also brings me to that many people thought the same thing about DLC. We all had the same reason, you based your opinion of the situation on a past situation, not a current one, which many of us did.

Wii U can support DLC + Add on content being on the box = people think CoD will have DLC

It's not naive. Just because you didn't expect it, didn't mean that others didn't think it would be there. Ignoring the situation with possible new fans or customers is ignoring that they don't have a past with your franchise.

You can't really compare the situation to the Wii.

Edited on by SCRAPPER392

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