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jariw

Kuhang wrote:

@jariw It's because Bayonetta 2 is one of the high profile games Nintendo has to offer and where Wii U is in a crysis of M rated games you'd have expected the Wii U gamers to Jump in and ofcourse because Wii U is doing Best in Japan.Your thoughts?

My thoughts:

  • To me, this is completely irrelevant.
  • I don't really care about sales figures. The released game will play no different to me, regarless if 0 or 2M players in Japan buy the game.
  • I don't care about the age rating of a game. I'm old enough to be able to play any game I want to play.
  • By looking at the sales charts for Wii U games, I can't draw any conclusion that a Wii U title automatically sells well in Japan.
  • All I really care about are good games and good gameplay experiences.

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CaviarMeths

Kuhang wrote:

CaviarMeths wrote:

Kuhang wrote:

@jariw It's because Bayonetta 2 is one of the high profile games Nintendo has to offer and where Wii U is in a crysis of M rated games you'd have expected the Wii U gamers to Jump in and ofcourse because Wii U is doing Best in Japan.Your thoughts?

Yeah, Japanese gamers don't give a damn about any of that. This adolescent insecurity where gamers are afraid of being seen as childish if they play E-rated games is a very Western thing.

Even in that case, we are talking about arguably the best action game made so I don't see your point valid.Ofcourse if it didn't appeal the mass would be a different case but I thought action games were popular in Japan

If you don't think it's valid, why would you even bring it up?

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Salamihawk

According to this article, these stats from Tsutaya only account for 2 days worth of sales, which makes a debut at number 5 even more impressive:
http://playeressence.com/tsutaya-charts-91514-92115-bayonetta...

Actually going to the Tsutaya game rankings site confirms this, as the date range given is simply the week ending on the 21st of September, according to Chrome's auto-translate function.

Edited on by Salamihawk

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Kuhang

jariw wrote:

Kuhang wrote:

@jariw It's because Bayonetta 2 is one of the high profile games Nintendo has to offer and where Wii U is in a crysis of M rated games you'd have expected the Wii U gamers to Jump in and ofcourse because Wii U is doing Best in Japan.Your thoughts?

My thoughts:

  • To me, this is completely irrelevant.
  • I don't really care about sales figures. The released game will play no different to me, regarless if 0 or 2M players in Japan buy the game.
  • I don't care about the age rating of a game. I'm old enough to be able to play any game I want to play.
  • By looking at the sales charts for Wii U games, I can't draw any conclusion that a Wii U title automatically sells well in Japan.
  • All I really care about are good games and good gameplay experiences.

But we are talking sales here, so you are on the wrong topic.

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Magikarp3

Didn't the original get a perfect score on Famitsu though? Anyway yeah points been iterated here before, Platinum games tend to do better in the West than in Japan.

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Cia

jariw wrote:

Kuhang wrote:

@jariw It's because Bayonetta 2 is one of the high profile games Nintendo has to offer and where Wii U is in a crysis of M rated games you'd have expected the Wii U gamers to Jump in and ofcourse because Wii U is doing Best in Japan.Your thoughts?

My thoughts:

  • To me, this is completely irrelevant.
  • I don't really care about sales figures. The released game will play no different to me, regarless if 0 or 2M players in Japan buy the game.
  • I don't care about the age rating of a game. I'm old enough to be able to play any game I want to play.
  • By looking at the sales charts for Wii U games, I can't draw any conclusion that a Wii U title automatically sells well in Japan.
  • All I really care about are good games and good gameplay experiences.

"I don't care about the age rating of a game. I'm old enough to be able to play any game I want to play."

Flawless victory : -D

Edited on by Cia

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Kuhang

CaviarMeths wrote:

Kuhang wrote:

CaviarMeths wrote:

Kuhang wrote:

@jariw It's because Bayonetta 2 is one of the high profile games Nintendo has to offer and where Wii U is in a crysis of M rated games you'd have expected the Wii U gamers to Jump in and ofcourse because Wii U is doing Best in Japan.Your thoughts?

Yeah, Japanese gamers don't give a damn about any of that. This adolescent insecurity where gamers are afraid of being seen as childish if they play E-rated games is a very Western thing.

Even in that case, we are talking about arguably the best action game made so I don't see your point valid.Ofcourse if it didn't appeal the mass would be a different case but I thought action games were popular in Japan

If you don't think it's valid, why would you even bring it up?

My point was either way the game is to be good (Assuming the successor to arguably the best action game is superior to it's predecessor) and has nothing to do with the ratings.

Edited on by Kuhang

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skywake

It's up against Destiny and Smash, they're both massive games. This isn't a surprise and it's certainly not proof that the game has "bombed". The only thing that would make it more impossible for a game to rank highly in the charts would be if it launched alongside GTA..........

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CaviarMeths

Kuhang wrote:

My point was either way the game is good (Assuming the successor to arguably the best action game is superior to it's predecessor) and has nothing to do with the ratings.

Kuhang wrote:

where Wii U is in a crysis of M rated games you'd have expected the Wii U gamers to Jump in

?

You're the one who said that the M-rating (D, actually...) should be a reason for people to buy the game. If someone disagrees with your opinion, you either counter or concede. Don't just move the goalposts and change your original argument. It's dishonest.

Edited on by CaviarMeths

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Kuhang

@skywake Well I hope it sells well for the sake of sale, game wise I think it's going to be awesome.

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skywake

Kuhang wrote:

@skywake Well I hope it sells well for the sake of sale, game wise I think it's going to be awesome.

I don't disagree, I'm pretty hyped about the game. However I'm not the one who created this thread......

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Salamihawk

TBH this thread kind of reeks of trolling and "OLOLO Bayonetta 2 isn't number 1 on this one chart I found that only takes 2 days worth of sales into consideration at one retailer. #Bayonetta2Fail"

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LaserdiscGal

Japanese game sales only effect whether or not they are released globally (Not so much now adays though)

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Kuhang

CaviarMeths wrote:

Kuhang wrote:

My point was either way the game is good (Assuming the successor to arguably the best action game is superior to it's predecessor) and has nothing to do with the ratings.

Kuhang wrote:

where Wii U is in a crysis of M rated games you'd have expected the Wii U gamers to Jump in

?

You're the one who said that the M-rating (D, actually...) should be a reason for people to buy the game. If someone disagrees with your opinion, you either counter or concede. Don't just move the goalposts and change your original argument. It's dishonest.

Haha ok (Coming from a dishonest man ) when you said "adolescent insecurity where gamers are afraid of being seen as childish if they play E-rated games is a very Western thing" I am simply replying to that saying that does not apply to bayonetta 2 beacuse either way I'm assuming it's destined to be a great game regardless of Ratings/sales or whatever "so why are the japanese Wii U gamers not picking up a great game" than ?

Kuhang

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Kuhang

Salamihawk wrote:

TBH this thread kind of reeks of trolling and "OLOLO Bayonetta 2 isn't number 1 on this one chart I found that only takes 2 days worth of sales into consideration at one retailer. #Bayonetta2Fail"

Haha It's my thread and I'm totally not trolling, just a lil worried u know

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Jazzer94

So you've looked at one chart which relates to one store has no actual sales numbers and thought it was worth making a thread about instead of just posting in the Bayonetta 2 thread, good job. smh

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All I can say is these charts aren't far off the mark, due to the fact the retailer is the biggest store in Japan. I would say more but I fear this thread will be locked.

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KryptoniteKrunch

Wait, let me get this straight:

  • This is from one retailer.
  • This is from the first two days of the game on the market.
  • It ranked 5th in the specific retailer's charts.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of these, just trying to understand it better. If these above points are in fact true, those aren't bad numbers. You have to remember to, Platinum doesn't run their games on huge budgets so they don't need to sell millions upon millions in order for this game to be considered a success.

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Olliemar28

This article would be at home in a tabloid newspaper - a damning headline followed by a weak and contradictory report.

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