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Topic: Assassin's Creed 4's Freedom Cry DLC to go standalone, but not on Xbox

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DudeSean

Jaz007 wrote:

Business isn't that personal, and even if it was out of spite, I guarantee you that Sony's not spending money on spite right now. It's a conspiracy theory, and nothing more if you think they did out of spite. There is no way Kaz Hirai would allow spite actions like this to be taken. It would be bad for Sony's bottom line.

Business isn't that personal? Please, go read about how Playstation came to be. There's no mystery that it was out of spite of Nintendo breaking their deal with Sony. Sony didn't even want to get into the video game business, but Ken Kutaragi was very adamant that Sony pursue the Play Station even though Nintendo backed out of the deal for the sole purpose of creating a rival to Nintendo. How is that not personal or spiteful?

Edit: I should be more specific. It's not Sony that has a vendetta against Nintendo, but SCEI (Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.). I don't know how aware the actual top people at Sony are to this sort of thing.

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Hy8ogen

SCAR392 wrote:

I don't think Sony paid anyone to "put down" other consoles. It was probably just GameSpot people trying to point out that Sony's main competitor wasn't getting the game. I'm honestly fine with not having it at all.

3rd party BS, aside, I genuinely don't care about AC.

Oh you would be surprised how dirty cooperates can be. Still I love Sony and I'll be getting a PS4 once games like Ace combat and Gundam games comes out for the console.

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Caryslan

DudeSean wrote:

Well, this proves Sony is paying devs off not to include content for Nintendo systems. And likely the reason they don't mention Wii U is in hopes that nobody will make that connection.

Xbox is not getting it either, and its common business in today's gaming market for systems to get exclusive content for multi-plat games. That's the reason Xbox always gets Call of Duty DLC first, because Microsoft paid for the early rights to that content. But here's the thing, the Playstation eventually gets COD DLC and Freedom Cry is on the Xbox. Apparently, the issue is not Sony and Microsoft paying these companies to not give to content for Nintendo platforms, but a belief that the DLC won't make any money on Nintendo platforms.

Sony is not doing anything wrong in my opinion. They paid the highest price for the exclusive content and their versions of the AC games are pretty much the defentive versions. And its not like Nintendo is alone in this, the Xbox and PC versions dis not get the extra missions in AC III or the bonus gameplay in AC IV. That is something that can only be found on Sony platforms.

Honestly, I would not mind seeing Nintendo try their hand at getting versions of third-party games that had content exclusive to their systems. At the end of the day, this is no different from the old contracts that required a game to remain exclusve to a platform for a certain amount of time.

Caryslan

Caryslan

DudeSean wrote:

Jaz007 wrote:

Business isn't that personal, and even if it was out of spite, I guarantee you that Sony's not spending money on spite right now. It's a conspiracy theory, and nothing more if you think they did out of spite. There is no way Kaz Hirai would allow spite actions like this to be taken. It would be bad for Sony's bottom line.

Business isn't that personal? Please, go read about how Playstation came to be. There's no mystery that it was out of spite of Nintendo breaking their deal with Sony. Sony didn't even want to get into the video game business, but Ken Kutaragi was very adamant that Sony pursue the Play Station even though Nintendo backed out of the deal for the sole purpose of creating a rival to Nintendo. How is that not personal or spiteful?

Edit: I should be more specific. It's not Sony that has a vendetta against Nintendo, but SCEI (Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.). I don't know how aware the actual top people at Sony are to this sort of thing.

Let me be very blunt here, between Nintendo and Microsoft I would think Sony considers the latter a bigger and more important competitor in the market. And them getting exclusive DLC and content for games is not really because of Nintendo. It started this generation when Microsoft began to get games that were former PS exclusives, and often got exclusive content for those games. Call of Duty DLC arrives on the Xbox first thanks to Microsoft buying the rights to get the content first. Sony getting exclusive content is more to counter Microsoft than anything Nintendo is doing.

As for the Playstation-Nintendo thing, it kinda goes both ways. Nintendo is not innocent here, since they backed out of a contract they signed with Sony(And yes, I know the contract gave Sony the rights to all games published on the SNES CD, but Nintendo is sign a legally binding contract) and hopped into business with Phillips.
You are right to some degree, Sony was motivated by a desire to prove themselves in the market and get back at Nintendo who had screwed them over. But they had also spent tons of money on R&D, which meant their only two options were to either abandon the project and eat the costs, or carry on with the project that created the Playstation.

In the end, their gamble worked.

Caryslan

Caryslan

DudeSean wrote:

Exactly as they would want you to think, because they mentioned Xbox and not Nintendo. Playstation exists out of spite for Nintendo. Ken Kutaragi was all excited to make Nintendo's CD add-on and then when Nintendo backed out of the deal, he got upset and decided to go ahead and make the playstation anyway just to rival Nintendo. Funny how every developer under the sun immediately went to Playstation and left Nintendo after Sony got upset with Nintendo, don't you think? And even now we see stories like this.

Nintendo was their own worse enemy going into the N64 era. They were arrogant, and they had a very bad reputation for bullying third-party developers. Namco had a very public spat with Nintendo during the early 90's, and they was probably a major reason why they supported the Playstation so much.

The fact that the N64 did not use CDs also hurt Nintendo, since games were getting much bigger during that generation. This was the reason why Square put Final Fantasy VII on the PS1.

For lack of a better term, Nintendo screwed themselves that generation. Their arrogance and belief that third-parties would be lining up to make games on the N64 no matter what cost them, and gave Sony a massive opening. As for Sega, they were making tons of blunders of their own, which kept them from taking advantage of Nintendo's mistakes..

So, Sony won that generation and got their support pretty much by taking advantage of the fact that Nintendo and Sega kept shooting themselves in the foot. Had Nintendo not messed up so badly, the generation could have turned out differently.

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