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shingi_70

201. Posted:

Its changing. E3 stans for electornic enetertainment
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/06/04/microsofts...
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18325815
http://venturebeat.com/2012/06/05/wii-fit-u-will-make-you-swe...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/06/06/why-retaile...
http://hypebeast.com/2012/06/xbox-unveils-revolutionary-smart...

Gotta grab that expanded market. Gamers may have hated E3 but the audience that buys the most love it.

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202. Posted:

kyuubikid213 wrote:

If Nintendo didn't show those more "casual-gamer" titles, then they would have lost the faith that many families (especially THOSE moms) have in them. Nintendo has lately been known as a kiddy/family-friendly company. If they only showed games that appealed to US, there would be a chance that they would lose sales that appealed to THEM. By showing games that everyone wants to play, Nintendo feels as though they succeeded in their endeavor to make the Wii U "Together. Better."

I'm glad to hear you are at least looking forward to one title. And besides, these games aren't the only ones that will ever come out on Wii U, they are just our first glimpse. And we don't even know if there will be more over the coming months between now and the launch.

I don't think parents are going to pony up $300 + for another causal game bonanza filled with phony fitness and cruddy karaoke. The market already has this, in fact it is over saturated with it. I don't think it is good strategy for Nintendo to put a strong emphasis on this especially at the beginning. You want the gamers that are going to buy multiple titles within the first few months support this new console.

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203. Posted:

Ideally you want both and they seem to have a good balance.

Crossover titles
Nintendoland
New Super mario bros U

Casuel
Wii Fit U
Sing

Core
Pikmin 3
Er zombiu

Only probelm is the allure of a cheap xbox/ps3 and there being better alternatives on other systems forthe casuel games.

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204. Posted:

Sony_70 wrote:

Ideally you want both and they seem to have a good balance.
Crossover titles:
Nintendoland
New Super mario bros U
Casue:
Wii Fit U
Sing
Core:
Pikmin 3
Er zombiu

Only probelm is the allure of a cheap xbox/ps3 and there being better alternatives on other systems forthe casuel games.

Yeah, I agree with you on Nintendo does need to have some casual, but Nintendo has so much more competition for that market now than in the past 6 years the Wii was out. Nintendo really needs to gain some Core market share back since they typically buy more software.

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205. Posted:

Ryno wrote:

I don't think parents are going to pony up $300 + for another causal game bonanza filled with phony fitness and cruddy karaoke. The market already has this, in fact it is over saturated with it. I don't think it is good strategy for Nintendo to put a strong emphasis on this especially at the beginning. You want the gamers that are going to buy multiple titles within the first few months support this new console.

New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Just Dance 4
Lego City Undercover
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition
ZombiU
Mass Effect 3
Assassin's Creed III
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Aliens Colonial Marines
Darksiders II
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
TANK! TANK! TANK!
Project P-100
Trine 2: Director's Cut
Game & Wario
Wii Fit U
SiNG
Rayman Legends
Pikmin 3

Because this is a TOTAL casual game bonanza filled with fitness and cruddy karaoke... Yeah... Right... The three games in here that you indirectly mentioned are going to ruin sales of the Wii U.

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206. Posted:

3 of those I can get or own now. And the other 5 I can get on my current t system.

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207. Posted:

Sony_70 wrote:

3 of those I can get or own now. And the other 5 I can get on my current t system.

The point wasn't which games are 100% exclusive to Wii U. It was proving that out of the 21 games listed, only 3 are dancing/singing/fitness games that you guys are bugging out about. The other 18 titles are more geared toward "core" players.

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208. Posted:

@kyuubikid213 Talk about brown-nosing. That was a pretty nauseating rant you had there.

You buy a console so you can play a library of games that you currently can't play. Nobody got a 3DS at launch because they desperately wanted to play Nintendogs and Pilotwings, they got it because they saw Mario Kart 7, OoT3D, 3D Land, Luigi's Mansion, Kid Icarus, Animal Crossing and Paper Mario on the horizon. People who already had a Gamecube didn't get a Wii at launch because of Wii Sports and Twilight Princess, they got it because they saw Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 on the horizon.

Standing here and looking into the Wii U's future we see Pikmin and New SMB at it's launch and a pile of games we could play on PS3/360/PC. We know there is always a 3D Mario, a 3D Metroid and a 3D Zelda but they're all off in the blurry distance. The wider audience? Well they didn't get much new either did they. They got another Dancing game, another singing game, another Wii Fit and what's going to look like a kids game. Look at how the mainstream media are covering E3, there's bugger all about the Wii U with Wii Fit U and NintendoLand, it's all about the dance games on the Kinect. Nintendo didn't win that game either.

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209. Posted:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Sony_70 wrote:

But everything points to it failing with Cnn thinking the wii u Warsaw wii add on and most mainstream media not getting it.

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again, both a valid point and lolmainstreammedia shakes head

I reckon.

Games journalists should go show that mainstream media how its done and head on over to Syria to report on the civil war.

Not that I'm forgiving bad research, but really, given how tight mainstream press budgets are for journalists, a reasonable person can hardly blame them for having something as relatively trivial as the games industry at the bottom of the pile of priorities.

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210. Posted:

Just saying, but one could buy the multi-platform games on the Wii U to convince publishers that the platform is profitable.

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211. Posted:

New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Just Dance 4
Lego City Undercover
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition
ZombiU
Mass Effect 3
Assassin's Creed III
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Aliens Colonial Marines
Darksiders II
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
TANK! TANK! TANK!
Project P-100
Trine 2: Director's Cut
Game & Wario
Wii Fit U
SiNG
Rayman Legends
Pikmin 3

I'm going to give a cookie - express shipped around the world to ensure freshness - to the first person to correctly guess why this list is precisely why my expectations from the Wii U are rock bottom.

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212. Posted:

ChocoGoldfish wrote:

Not that I'm forgiving bad research, but really, given how tight mainstream press budgets are for journalists, a reasonable person can hardly blame them for having something as relatively trivial as the games industry at the bottom of the pile of priorities.

Well I think pretty much every commercial channel here in Aus had someone actually at E3 playing the games. So they spent money flying a journalist over there and paying for accommodation and so on so they could do a 30 second spot about how great this new Dance game on the Kinect is. Could have at least done a Vox Pop, worked out that everyone was hyped about the Wii U and Watch Dogs.... maybe done something about those things. Maybe said "this game Watch Dogs is the most talked about game at the show but don't expect it here given the lack of an R rating for video games" given they bothered to send a guy over there.

Just saying.

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ChocoGoldfish wrote:

New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Just Dance 4
Lego City Undercover
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition
ZombiU
Mass Effect 3
Assassin's Creed III
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Aliens Colonial Marines
Darksiders II
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
TANK! TANK! TANK!
Project P-100
Trine 2: Director's Cut
Game & Wario
Wii Fit U
SiNG
Rayman Legends
Pikmin 3

I'm going to give a cookie - express shipped around the world to ensure freshness - to the first person to correctly guess why this list is precisely why my expectations from the Wii U are rock bottom.

Seeing that list, my expectations are pretty high, actually. That's a lot of great games for launch/launch window...

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214. Posted:

being a mom does not automatically make you a casual gamer.

just lay off us moms. who do you think turned out all you young'uns who love games? us. now get the hell off my lawn.

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215. Posted:

skywake wrote:

ChocoGoldfish wrote:

Not that I'm forgiving bad research, but really, given how tight mainstream press budgets are for journalists, a reasonable person can hardly blame them for having something as relatively trivial as the games industry at the bottom of the pile of priorities.

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Well I think pretty much every commercial channel here in Aus had someone actually at E3 playing the games. So they spent money flying a journalist over there and paying for accommodation and so on so they could do a 30 second spot about how great this new Dance game on the Kinect is. Could have at least done a Vox Pop, worked out that everyone was hyped about the Wii U and Watch Dogs.... maybe done something about those things. Maybe said "this game Watch Dogs is the most talked about game at the show but don't expect it here given the lack of an R rating for video games" given they bothered to send a guy over there.

Just saying.

I know that if I got one of the IGN, Gamespot, 1UP or Destructoid journalists on the plane tomorrow and flew them to a banking convention they would not have the slightest clue about what was hot, what people cared about, and what was controversial. They wouldn't know the right people to speak to or, if there were multiple things happening simultaneously, which sessions to attend.

It would also be very hard for them to get up to date they were busy doing their usual daily responsibilities.

Most of the Australian mainstream press does not have the money to pay for a dedicated games journalist. Some will do content partnership deals with specialist press to use their E3 content, but even then it's a secondary focus.

I'm not sure why you expect the mainstream press to magically be the ultimate generalists that know everything about everything, but it's ok for games journalist to have no clue about anything but gaming? The nature of generalists means you get by ok on most things without a perfect knowledge of anything.

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216. Posted:

@ChocoGoldfish
Not saying that they should have a dedicated games journalist just that if they are going to send someone there they probably should do a little bit more research. You wouldn't send someone to a banking convention and then not bother talking about the hot/controversial issues and you wouldn't send someone to Cannes or CES and not have them talk about the big titles and products that everyone is talking about.

So I don't think it's too much to expect them to talk about something more than just the dancing games on Kinect and the fact that there's a smaller queue to see a model than there is to see "shooting games". Especially if they're physically flying someone half way across the world to cover it.

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ChocoGoldfish wrote:

New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Just Dance 4
Lego City Undercover
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition
ZombiU
Mass Effect 3
Assassin's Creed III
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Aliens Colonial Marines
Darksiders II
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
TANK! TANK! TANK!
Project P-100
Trine 2: Director's Cut
Game & Wario
Wii Fit U
SiNG
Rayman Legends
Pikmin 3

I'm going to give a cookie - express shipped around the world to ensure freshness - to the first person to correctly guess why this list is precisely why my expectations from the Wii U are rock bottom.

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Looks like a Solid launch lineup to me....Pikmin 3, NSMBWii, ZombiU, Nintendo Land, Game & Wario, Rayman Legends, Project P-100. Trine, ect ect. C'mon Waltzy we all know that your taste in gaming is very niche and obscure. I'm just suprised none of these 3rd party titles spike your interest other than 'tank! tank! tank!(the only title you seem to like). We know you don't like nintendo exclusives or platformers in general so you can count those out.

I bet if there were a Samurai Warriors, Chocobo Dungeon sequal or anything Final Fantasy related you'd be jumping up and down like a school girl. :p

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218. Posted:

Well the only thing in that long list that is the sort of game worth buying a system for that you couldn't get by buying a PS3/360 is Pikmin 3. I look at that long list and see Pikmin 3 plus some titles you should probably pick up given you've just spent 100s of $ on a new system and you want something else to play on it.

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219. Posted:

Sorry if this was already brought up, but with all the whining about E3, it just seems like everyone expected the moon and the stars. It's not like another E3 '08 when Wii Music was the main attraction. Check that one out again then bitch and moan about this year's. Sure, not many games were announced, but we have plenty coming our way. If you expected to get information on everything your heart desires and then some, of course you're going to be disappointed. This was a pretty good E3 from Nintendo.

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220. Posted:

@ChocoGoldfish
Not saying that they should have a dedicated games journalist just that if they are going to send someone there they probably should do a little bit more research. You wouldn't send someone to a banking convention and then not bother talking about the hot/controversial issues and you wouldn't send someone to Cannes or CES and not have them talk about the big titles and products that everyone is talking about.

So I don't think it's too much to expect them to talk about something more than just the dancing games on Kinect and the fact that there's a smaller queue to see a model than there is to see "shooting games". Especially if they're physically flying someone half way across the world to cover it.

Oh, I agree with this. I suspect the mainstream journalists are trying to play more to the non-gamers as a bit of a curiosity piece than anything. It doesn't excuse bad research, as that's a fundamental journalism ethic, but I know from experience what it's like to go along to a convention about something I have NFI about. It's very overwhelming and confusing - unless you've got a really really good grasp of the subject material is is very easy to get steamrolled at big events.

Looks like a Solid launch lineup to me....Pikmin 3, NSMBWii, ZombiU, Nintendo Land, Game & Wario, Rayman Legends, Project P-100. Trine, ect ect. C'mon Waltzy we all know that your taste in gaming is very niche and obscure. I'm just suprised none of these 3rd party titles spike your interest other than 'tank! tank! tank!(the only title you seem to like). We know you don't like nintendo exclusives or platformers in general so you can count those out.

True. And this response deserves a "in all fairness" answer from me, so removing the Nintendo exclusives that I'm not hugely keen on:

Nintendo Land
Scribblenauts Unlimited (I'm going to guess there's an iPad version, and to me Scribblenauts is a better portable game than home console game)
Just Dance 4 (Well, hardly a system seller, but these are always good fun)
Lego City Undercover (Nah)
Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition (Already played it, and I'm not buying another copy for a few extras)
ZombiU (I am sick of Zombies)
Mass Effect 3 (Played it)
Assassin's Creed III (Will likely stick to PS3 version)
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (Played it)
Aliens Colonial Marines (Not interested)
Darksiders II (Will have played it)
Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (Unless it's DoA, I don't care for fighters)
TANK! TANK! TANK! (Yeah, this one has me happy)
Project P-100 (Not really that interested)
Trine 2: Director's Cut (Played it)
Rayman Legends (I like Rayman, but I'm not going out of my way to play them)

The reality is that the Wii U didn't show off applications (Art Academy or even Colors! Wii U would have had me excited), and didn't feature genres that I really care about - no RPGs, no hardcore strategy games, no simulations.

I bet if there were a Samurai Warriors, Chocobo Dungeon sequal or anything Final Fantasy related you'd be jumping up and down like a school girl. :P

In all seriousness, yes. All three of those games could use the U tablet to great effect. Add in the fact that I was really disappointed that there was no Fortune Street Wii U or 3DS.

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