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Topic: After the Wii U, where does Nintendo go from here?

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komicturtle

What makes you think Apple can outdo Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft in the gaming side?

Also, it's not that hard to understand how business go. I only know the very basic side and I'm not that ignorant.

For example, just because I don't know how to make video games doesn't mean I don't know how the process goes.

Stuff you pick up.

My impression is that you want Nintendo to be acquired- but why? See, I like Nintendo a lot as a company, but I'm not going around saying "Nintendo will acquire Sega" or "Nintendo should acquire Capcom".

Like you said, I'm not too keen on business and all that but you don't have to have experience to know things, really :/

komicturtle

Bankai

What makes you think Apple can outdo Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft in the gaming side?

How many dud products has Apple made since Jobs returned to the company? There's your answer.

Also, it's not that hard to understand how business go.

So those CEOs that work 60+ hour weeks are just sitting around Googling themselves? Once again, if you can give surgeons the respect not to presume that you know more than they do about heart surgery, and you give lawyers enough respect that you don't presume to tell them how to do their jobs, why do you think you're in any place to make assesments on business? It's a profession, being a C-level exec, not a trade.

I only know the very basic side and I'm not that ignorant.

You've yet to prove you know much at all about business, actually. You make grand guesses and try to pass them off as informed opinions, but you've got little to no evidence to back those opinions up.

My impression is that you want Nintendo to be acquired- but why? See, I like Nintendo a lot as a company, but I'm not going around saying "Nintendo will acquire Sega" or "Nintendo should acquire Capcom".

I've actually already explained it multiple times. Nintendo is struggling to find relevance in a modern world of connected devices. Nintendo has no real partnerships on the hardware side, its online infrastructure is terrible, and its devices don't "talk" to anything. It's an isolated company that will start running out of resources soon.

I want to see Nintendo successful again, I want to see Nintendo properly resourced. I want to see Nintendo's console as part of my personal entertainment network. Nintendo needs to be acquired to do that.

Like you said, I'm not too keen on business and all that but you don't have to have experience to know things, really :/

So those few million people that work their backsides off for 5,6 years to be properly qualified to run businesses, or spent 20,30 years working their way up to the CEO's role wasted their time and should just do what you do, and guess with the assumption that they've "picked stuff up."?

LordTendoboy

YellowChocobo wrote:

Apple isn't interested in gaming? Lol wut? Then why is the iOS platform the most popular digital gaming platform in the world? And Apple even promotes it as such.

Yeah, don't mistake "letting things happen and reaping the rewards," with "caring about gaming." The iOS is the most popular digital gaming platform because it's cheap to create games for it, and millions of people don't mind spending $1 for a game to play on the bus.

Apple promotes it because Apple is not a stupid company. If Apple cared that much about gaming, though, it would have bluetooth controllers and/ or gaming consoles on the market already. If you actually watch the ads, Apple's iPhone and iPad marketing is more along the lines of "it does everything," than "hey look! This is awesome for gaming!"

What would Panasonic want with Nintendo? They've only manufactured discs for the GameCube and Wii, they'd have no reason to enter the console market.

Because Panasonic has an option for every other electric and whitegoods product in the house, except for gaming. Given it would be too expensive to build a console business from scratch, the only way Panasonic is going to get a leg into that industry is through acquisition. Cue Nintendo (or possibly a smaller player, like OnLive).

And Disney is content being a 3rd-party publisher (even they have been struggling in the games industry).

Well crap, I didn't realise you sat on Disney's board and heard them say "hey we're happy just making games."

If anyone were to acquire Nintendo, it would be either Microsoft or Apple. Microsoft is trying to march into Nintendo's "kiddie friendly" territory with Kinect and Xbox Avatars, and if they could get their hands on Nintendo's most famous IP's then they'd have a much better shot at winning over the casual market.

Ridiculous logic. Microsoft is making its own investments in gaming, Nintendo's vision doesn't gel with Microsoft's current direction at all, considering Microsoft is all about cloud and cloud gaming, and Nintendo is hopelessly incompetent when it comes to online, let alone cloud.

Apple's design philosophies are very similar to Nintendo. I think they'd work well together, I've seen many comparisons between Nintendo's recent hardware and Apple products (Wii specifically). Iwata is also apparently a big fan of the iPhone (ironic, since the company is directly competing with Apple in that market).

Except Apple doesn't make big acquisitions. It would be a good match, yes, I agree, but that doesn't mean Apple will do it. Its business philosophy is to expand internally rather than through acquision. Nintendo would be a big acquisition. You know, the kind that Panasonic (Sanyo) and Disney (Marvel) make.

Disney is not a hardware company or a consumer electronics company. They make movies, TV shows, video games, etc.

And what stake does Panasonic have in the video game industry? You could make the same assumption about any major electronics company (Samsung, LG, Toshiba, etc.). Adding another console manufacturer to an already crowded market will just confuse consumers. This same thing happened in the early days of the video game industry, too many consoles with not enough diverse content. That's what caused the crash of 1983, and if the market becomes too crowded (which it already is), then consumers might just feel overwhelmed and lose interest.

Sony created their own game system from scratch (PlayStation), and so did Microsoft (Xbox). Both companies did it on their own, and they only bought out game developers so they'd have better resources for 1st-party development.

Another thing, relating to my paragraph about Panasonic... With three different home consoles, 4 handhelds (3DS, DS, PSP, Vita), and a legion of smartphone/tablet devices, the game market is already overcrowded. What's the point in trying to keep up with all these systems just to play a few games? It would be much easier if multiplatform games were cross-compatable between consoles, leaving the only exclusive games as 1st-party. Example, I buy a 3rd-party game for the 360 and I can play it on my PS3. But then there's the problem of disc format and different hardware.

Perhaps the console manufacturers should agree on a hardware standard and disc format standard (not a one-console future). Look at the DVD/Blu-ray player market. Many different brands, but they all play the same movies. There's a standard format that they all oblige to. The console manufacturers could have a standard of hardware specs, and just license out the manufacturing to different companies. It would be like what 3DO tried to do with their console, only more refined.

EDIT: After some research, I noticed that Panasonic has tried to enter the video game industry in the past. They manufactured some of the 3DO systems (along with Goldstar), and in 2010 they designed a handheld called the "Jungle", but it was cancelled due to perceived changes in the market.

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komicturtle

You think I'm belittling those folks?

Excuse me, I'm not at all. And I'm not trying to act ask if I know more than "professionals", so I don't understand why you're going on about that. There are plenty information out there on the internet if you ever wanted to learn.

And for your infromation, I do try to back up my opinions as much as I can the only problem is you either dismiss it, overlook, or just disagree (the latter if fine by me because I don't care- an opnion is an opinion).

If you don't like when people talk about business and know nothing about it (because you're a professional, right?), then you might as well not bring it up or pursue the discussions. And of all places, Nintendolife.

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komicturtle

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OK guys can we just leave it at only Nintendo knows if they are going to "bought out" or not, seriously this sorta thing just sickens me.

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SnoozerBear wrote:

You will find I do not react well to banter. Maybe because I'm used to forums where people don't joke, and instead endlessly flame and troll each-other to death. I am sorry I took it a little too seriously. I tend to be a very... high-strung person, at least on boards, so when you joke towards me, I recommend you make it very clear that you mean no harm. >_< Also, I didn't mean they were incompetent in regards to hardware from a marketing point of view, I merely meant technologically. Nintendo is just a little behind the times if you know what I mean in regards to the power of their consoles, if not in other aspects (3DS's 3D).

'Tis quite alright, the internet is not the best place for reading into conversational tones and intentions. I can see where my joke could have been read as a ill-intentioned jab.

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Bankai

If you don't like when people talk about business and know nothing about it (because you're a professional, right?)

I like it about as much as a Nintendo fanboy likes it when someone makes fun of Mario/ Pokemon/ Zelda games without ever having played one.

Hopefully that's an analogy you actually get.

I do try to back up my opinions as much as I can the only problem is you either dismiss it,

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

If you don't like when people talk about business and know nothing about it (because you're a professional, right?), then you might as well not bring it up or pursue the discussions. And of all places, Nintendolife.

Read back. I didn't start the conversation. The first post in this thread is Tendoboy.

komicturtle

Actually, you're the one who thinks your opinions are right. Use the "world is flat" comparison on yourself, thanks.

The irony of what you said is amusing. Coming from someone who points fingers "Fanboy, you're a fanboy this, you're a fanboy" when you yourself act like one. Own up. Stop copping out with the Fanboy Card. It's old already.
Never have I said or come off as thinking my opinion is right. Especially when I constantly say "An opinion is an opinion" not "My opinion is a fact".

Don't get it twisted.

And I'm not referring to this particular topic. Either way, you're still pursuing it, so whatever.

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BenAV

YellowChocobo wrote:

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

Wait... it's not?

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Bankai

BenAV wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

Wait... it's not?

Nah. The world's built on the back of two giant robot-things that managed to kill each other at exactly the same moment a few million years ago.

BenAV

YellowChocobo wrote:

BenAV wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

Wait... it's not?

Nah. The world's built on the back of two giant robot-things that managed to kill each other at exactly the same moment a few million years ago.

Oh right, of course.
Silly me.

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Kagamine

BenAV wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

BenAV wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

Wait... it's not?

Nah. The world's built on the back of two giant robot-things that managed to kill each other at exactly the same moment a few million years ago.

Oh right, of course.
Silly me.

Havent you read disc world? its on the back of a giant turtle!

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That's actually an ancient American myth (and from what I just read, apparently east Asian, too... interesting). It's funny that everyone seems to know that from Discworld though.

The more you know.

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LordTendoboy

Actually the Indians (Hindu Indians, not Native Americans) believed the Earth was held up by a giant elephant.

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Kagamine

lol, i think this entire thread changed topic for a few posts, wonder how long that will happen.....

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Shining-Void

Shouldn't this thread have been made AFTER the wii u comes out, and starts its life ???

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Bankai

Adam wrote:

That's actually an ancient American myth (and from what I just read, apparently east Asian, too... interesting). It's funny that everyone seems to know that from Discworld though.

The more you know.

That turtle is also a Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition epic-level beastie to fight.

Most D & D beasties come from mythology from somewhere's mythology, but I'd never thought to look that particular case up. Now I know. I can die peacefully now.

LordTendoboy

YellowChocobo wrote:

Adam wrote:

That's actually an ancient American myth (and from what I just read, apparently east Asian, too... interesting). It's funny that everyone seems to know that from Discworld though.

The more you know.

That turtle is also a Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition epic-level beastie to fight.

Nerd alert! Just kidding! I'm a Mario nerd at heart, I used to know the names and designs of every single enemy in the Mario series up to Super Mario Land 2

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