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Nintendo's position in the market? Nintendo has been in much worse, and they still pushed on, despite the legions of anti-Nintendo fanboys and media betting against them. I remember back during the N64 and GameCube eras when the media was saying that they should "pull a Sega" and exit the console market, becoming a 3rd-party developer. Then the Wii came along and put the company back on top for a few years.

If it wasn't for the Wii and DS, Nintendo would have been dead long ago. Iwata said a few years ago that when Nintendo stops making hardware is the day they exit the videogame industry altogether. Here's a nice article I found that better explains the company's famous legacy of stubbornness: http://www.geekosystem.com/nintendo-stubborn/

Yes the 3DS is struggling, but there's no guarantee that the Vita will do any better. Both Nintendo and Sony are taking huge risks in the middle of an oversaturated smartphone/tablet-gaming market. But there is no reason the two devices can't coexist together. The PC gaming market is still thriving, even though consoles are (arguably) more popular. One device doesn't have to monopolize the market, there's plenty of room for consoles, handhelds, PC's, and mobile devices. It's called giving consumers variety and choice, that's the basis of a free market.

With the Wii U, Nintendo is trying to appeal to the mainstream consumer that loves "mobile gaming". This is probably the first time they've ever directly targeted a specific type of consumer. People love simplicity, and the Wii U combines what traditional gamers love (buttons, analog controls) and what casual gamers love (touchscreen controls, accessibility), offering a "best of both worlds" type of gaming experience.

Despite all the people betting against them, Nintendo might prove (ONCE AGAIN) that they can still be relevant in the console/handheld industry. Never underestimate Nintendo, that's one of the golden rules of the gaming industry.

If you want to make a rebuttal, then fine, but I'm done arguing my OPINION on the matter.

Fair enough. Based on Nintendo's past performance, it is possible that it may do okay this generation and pull through. Personally, I don't know how well the Wii U will catch on. An HD Wii with an odd controller? Looking at that controller, I see no benefit to gaming. All I see is a tiring gimmick, in most ways. When I game, I just want a traditional controller. I don't want to have to waggle every time I want to attack and tire out my wrist, or hold up my arms and twist my body to deflect arrows. I just hope the controller is more comfortable to hold for long periods of time than it looks.

Also, something that caught my eyes, was the Wii U's fancy controller's complete lack of a analogue stick. All it has are circle pads in the very corners. I'm not quite sure how fond of that I'll be. Who knows, maybe Nintendo will pull a Wii and it'll sell like hotcakes. Maybe I'll use the controller and be amazed. I think it's more likely than not that that won't happen, though. Personally, I wouldn't have thought it unwise if Nintendo "pulled a Sega" after the GC. It took a huge gamble, and was lucky that the Wii and DS worked out as well as they did.

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I am... wow.

My honest prediction is that Nintendo will be acquired by then. I know the very thought of that brings the fanboys to tears, but the sooner, the better.

Agreed. During the N64/GameCube era's Nintendo wasn't doing so hot. I though the Wii was going to flop, but hype and genius marketing along with luck got them through. Now with the Wii U on the horizon, I have to say I think they're not going to make it. The Wii's gimmick (motion control) and marketing to casuals worked that round, but how will it work now? They're largest audience is going to/has put down Wii Fit, and is/will gravitate towards smart-phones and the like. I don't see their tablet controller pulling through. My first reaction to the Wii U was "lolwut" then "No way do I want that." What are they thinking? And then all the people going on about how it's stronger than a PS3. Great an HD Nintendo console... but by the time its out, it'll be half a dozen years late. Then the PS4 or whatever will come out and they'll be screwed. Once again, we'll be getting tech a generation old with nothing but one of the most obnoxious gimmicks to date.

The only thing the Wii Remote was really good for tbh, was the pointer. Everything else I just wished I had a button. Only exceptions are games that use Wii Motion Plus towards the end of the Wii's life, like Resort and Skyward Sword. I just wish Nintendo would stop making hardware already. They should become a software developer exclusively, because it's all they are good at. I don't see any way for Nintendo to survive as it has unless the Wii U is essentially a fluke like the Wii. The name alone makes me want to barf. The "We You"? That has got to be the worst name I've ever heard of for a console. The best thing that's come from it is the "We _____U" jokes.

Ah, I see we have our own prophet! Please, will you do us the pleasure of telling us what else will occur in the next few years? Perhaps you can even through in some sort of Apocalypse!

Oh well, at least we know you can jump on a bandwagon.

Oh well, at least we know you dislike people having their own opinions. So, apparently, if one's opinion is similar to that of many others', the reason itself that it is their opinion is because it is a popular one? Surely, it cannot be, I actually thought it through and came to that conclusion? No, that is completely absurd.

But this is Nintendo Life, perhaps here I am playing the Devil's Advocate inadvertently. Until relatively recently, I played exclusively Nintendo consoles. I love Nintendo. I've played Nintendo games my whole life. However, I don't see how it will succeed this next generation. Maybe it'll survive, barely, maybe it'll do as well as it did with the Wii. I think most likely, Nintendo won't make it. I just don't see how. And if not this generation, maybe next generation it'll flop. Is my opinion offensive? I'm so sorry. One thing you have to admit, the Wii is last gen tech. Nintendo basically took the GameCube and repackaged it with Motion controls. Don't get me wrong, though, I loved, and still love, the 'Cube. Now, we might get the same thing. I have to admit, the Wii U doesn't look bad right now technologically, but by the time it comes out and its competitors are announced...? We'll see.

Maybe I forgot a huge "IMO" at the end of my previous post. Maybe I sounded a little... harsh. Arrogant. Conceited? No matter what, I'd appreciate if you logically refuted whatever points I may have made/made and supported your own, different, opinion instead of what you said. I'm not fond of dry, sarcastic jabs. I am sorry if in any way I was offensive enough to draw out such a response from you. It's not that I dislike Nintendo, or its software. It's just I don't like its hardware at all recently, the Wii U has done nothing to change that, and I don't see Nintendo doing as well as it did with the Wii again. I'm not God, I'll admit I might be wrong. Hell, I'll even admit I'm probably wrong if that makes you feel better. But next time, try to be nicer and maybe a tad bit more mature. It's my opinion, my view... my reaction to the Wii U. I'm not stating it's fact, or that it's everyone's opinion, and most importantly, you don't have to agree.

Hey now, I never expected a simple joke to invoke such a heated reply! I'm genuinely sorry if my banter rubbed you the wrong way. Lesson learned eh? No joking with Snoozerbears.

Jokes aside, my opinion is that if Nintendo can make "last gen" hardware and "gimmicky" motion controls the best selling console of all-time (not including handhelds,) then I would at least give them a shot at the Wii U before declaring incompetency in the hardware-making business.

I'm not going to pretend I read your entire reply, but I do respect other opinions. I just have the habit of jumping at the chance for humorous banter. May I suggest learning a lesson from YellowChocobo? He may disagree, but he took the joke rather well in my opinion, even if it wasn't aimed toward him.

You will find I do not react well to banter. Maybe because I'm used to forums where people don't joke, and instead endlessly flame and troll each-other to death. I am sorry I took it a little too seriously. I tend to be a very... high-strung person, at least on boards, so when you joke towards me, I recommend you make it very clear that you mean no harm. >_< Also, I didn't mean they were incompetent in regards to hardware from a marketing point of view, I merely meant technologically. Nintendo is just a little behind the times if you know what I mean in regards to the power of their consoles, if not in other aspects (3DS's 3D).

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@YellowChocobo: With Steve Jobs gone, who's to say Apple's directions won't change slightly?

This is true. I'm not sure Cook is the biggest fan of gaming either, though.

It's more likely now, for sure. I still wouldn't put Apple as my #1 bet for acquiring Nintendo.

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What makes you think Apple can outdo Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft in the gaming side?

Also, it's not that hard to understand how business go. I only know the very basic side and I'm not that ignorant.

For example, just because I don't know how to make video games doesn't mean I don't know how the process goes.

Stuff you pick up.

My impression is that you want Nintendo to be acquired- but why? See, I like Nintendo a lot as a company, but I'm not going around saying "Nintendo will acquire Sega" or "Nintendo should acquire Capcom".

Like you said, I'm not too keen on business and all that but you don't have to have experience to know things, really :/

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What makes you think Apple can outdo Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft in the gaming side?

How many dud products has Apple made since Jobs returned to the company? There's your answer.

Also, it's not that hard to understand how business go.

So those CEOs that work 60+ hour weeks are just sitting around Googling themselves? Once again, if you can give surgeons the respect not to presume that you know more than they do about heart surgery, and you give lawyers enough respect that you don't presume to tell them how to do their jobs, why do you think you're in any place to make assesments on business? It's a profession, being a C-level exec, not a trade.

I only know the very basic side and I'm not that ignorant.

You've yet to prove you know much at all about business, actually. You make grand guesses and try to pass them off as informed opinions, but you've got little to no evidence to back those opinions up.

My impression is that you want Nintendo to be acquired- but why? See, I like Nintendo a lot as a company, but I'm not going around saying "Nintendo will acquire Sega" or "Nintendo should acquire Capcom".

I've actually already explained it multiple times. Nintendo is struggling to find relevance in a modern world of connected devices. Nintendo has no real partnerships on the hardware side, its online infrastructure is terrible, and its devices don't "talk" to anything. It's an isolated company that will start running out of resources soon.

I want to see Nintendo successful again, I want to see Nintendo properly resourced. I want to see Nintendo's console as part of my personal entertainment network. Nintendo needs to be acquired to do that.

Like you said, I'm not too keen on business and all that but you don't have to have experience to know things, really :/

So those few million people that work their backsides off for 5,6 years to be properly qualified to run businesses, or spent 20,30 years working their way up to the CEO's role wasted their time and should just do what you do, and guess with the assumption that they've "picked stuff up."?

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Apple isn't interested in gaming? Lol wut? Then why is the iOS platform the most popular digital gaming platform in the world? And Apple even promotes it as such.

Yeah, don't mistake "letting things happen and reaping the rewards," with "caring about gaming." The iOS is the most popular digital gaming platform because it's cheap to create games for it, and millions of people don't mind spending $1 for a game to play on the bus.

Apple promotes it because Apple is not a stupid company. If Apple cared that much about gaming, though, it would have bluetooth controllers and/ or gaming consoles on the market already. If you actually watch the ads, Apple's iPhone and iPad marketing is more along the lines of "it does everything," than "hey look! This is awesome for gaming!"

What would Panasonic want with Nintendo? They've only manufactured discs for the GameCube and Wii, they'd have no reason to enter the console market.

Because Panasonic has an option for every other electric and whitegoods product in the house, except for gaming. Given it would be too expensive to build a console business from scratch, the only way Panasonic is going to get a leg into that industry is through acquisition. Cue Nintendo (or possibly a smaller player, like OnLive).

And Disney is content being a 3rd-party publisher (even they have been struggling in the games industry).

Well crap, I didn't realise you sat on Disney's board and heard them say "hey we're happy just making games."

If anyone were to acquire Nintendo, it would be either Microsoft or Apple. Microsoft is trying to march into Nintendo's "kiddie friendly" territory with Kinect and Xbox Avatars, and if they could get their hands on Nintendo's most famous IP's then they'd have a much better shot at winning over the casual market.

Ridiculous logic. Microsoft is making its own investments in gaming, Nintendo's vision doesn't gel with Microsoft's current direction at all, considering Microsoft is all about cloud and cloud gaming, and Nintendo is hopelessly incompetent when it comes to online, let alone cloud.

Apple's design philosophies are very similar to Nintendo. I think they'd work well together, I've seen many comparisons between Nintendo's recent hardware and Apple products (Wii specifically). Iwata is also apparently a big fan of the iPhone (ironic, since the company is directly competing with Apple in that market).

Except Apple doesn't make big acquisitions. It would be a good match, yes, I agree, but that doesn't mean Apple will do it. Its business philosophy is to expand internally rather than through acquision. Nintendo would be a big acquisition. You know, the kind that Panasonic (Sanyo) and Disney (Marvel) make.

Disney is not a hardware company or a consumer electronics company. They make movies, TV shows, video games, etc.

And what stake does Panasonic have in the video game industry? You could make the same assumption about any major electronics company (Samsung, LG, Toshiba, etc.). Adding another console manufacturer to an already crowded market will just confuse consumers. This same thing happened in the early days of the video game industry, too many consoles with not enough diverse content. That's what caused the crash of 1983, and if the market becomes too crowded (which it already is), then consumers might just feel overwhelmed and lose interest.

Sony created their own game system from scratch (PlayStation), and so did Microsoft (Xbox). Both companies did it on their own, and they only bought out game developers so they'd have better resources for 1st-party development.

Another thing, relating to my paragraph about Panasonic... With three different home consoles, 4 handhelds (3DS, DS, PSP, Vita), and a legion of smartphone/tablet devices, the game market is already overcrowded. What's the point in trying to keep up with all these systems just to play a few games? It would be much easier if multiplatform games were cross-compatable between consoles, leaving the only exclusive games as 1st-party. Example, I buy a 3rd-party game for the 360 and I can play it on my PS3. But then there's the problem of disc format and different hardware.

Perhaps the console manufacturers should agree on a hardware standard and disc format standard (not a one-console future). Look at the DVD/Blu-ray player market. Many different brands, but they all play the same movies. There's a standard format that they all oblige to. The console manufacturers could have a standard of hardware specs, and just license out the manufacturing to different companies. It would be like what 3DO tried to do with their console, only more refined.

EDIT: After some research, I noticed that Panasonic has tried to enter the video game industry in the past. They manufactured some of the 3DO systems (along with Goldstar), and in 2010 they designed a handheld called the "Jungle", but it was cancelled due to perceived changes in the market.

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You think I'm belittling those folks?

Excuse me, I'm not at all. And I'm not trying to act ask if I know more than "professionals", so I don't understand why you're going on about that. There are plenty information out there on the internet if you ever wanted to learn.

And for your infromation, I do try to back up my opinions as much as I can the only problem is you either dismiss it, overlook, or just disagree (the latter if fine by me because I don't care- an opnion is an opinion).

If you don't like when people talk about business and know nothing about it (because you're a professional, right?), then you might as well not bring it up or pursue the discussions. And of all places, Nintendolife.

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67. Posted:

OK guys can we just leave it at only Nintendo knows if they are going to "bought out" or not, seriously this sorta thing just sickens me.

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SnoozerBear wrote:

You will find I do not react well to banter. Maybe because I'm used to forums where people don't joke, and instead endlessly flame and troll each-other to death. I am sorry I took it a little too seriously. I tend to be a very... high-strung person, at least on boards, so when you joke towards me, I recommend you make it very clear that you mean no harm. >_< Also, I didn't mean they were incompetent in regards to hardware from a marketing point of view, I merely meant technologically. Nintendo is just a little behind the times if you know what I mean in regards to the power of their consoles, if not in other aspects (3DS's 3D).

'Tis quite alright, the internet is not the best place for reading into conversational tones and intentions. I can see where my joke could have been read as a ill-intentioned jab.

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If you don't like when people talk about business and know nothing about it (because you're a professional, right?)

I like it about as much as a Nintendo fanboy likes it when someone makes fun of Mario/ Pokemon/ Zelda games without ever having played one.

Hopefully that's an analogy you actually get.

I do try to back up my opinions as much as I can the only problem is you either dismiss it,

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

If you don't like when people talk about business and know nothing about it (because you're a professional, right?), then you might as well not bring it up or pursue the discussions. And of all places, Nintendolife.

Read back. I didn't start the conversation. The first post in this thread is Tendoboy.

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Actually, you're the one who thinks your opinions are right. Use the "world is flat" comparison on yourself, thanks.

The irony of what you said is amusing. Coming from someone who points fingers "Fanboy, you're a fanboy this, you're a fanboy" when you yourself act like one. Own up. Stop copping out with the Fanboy Card. It's old already.
Never have I said or come off as thinking my opinion is right. Especially when I constantly say "An opinion is an opinion" not "My opinion is a fact".

Don't get it twisted.

And I'm not referring to this particular topic. Either way, you're still pursuing it, so whatever.

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71. Posted:

YellowChocobo wrote:

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

Wait... it's not? :O

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BenAV wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

Wait... it's not? :O

Nah. The world's built on the back of two giant robot-things that managed to kill each other at exactly the same moment a few million years ago.

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YellowChocobo wrote:

BenAV wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

Wait... it's not? :O

Nah. The world's built on the back of two giant robot-things that managed to kill each other at exactly the same moment a few million years ago.

Oh right, of course.
Silly me.

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74. Posted:

BenAV wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

BenAV wrote:

YellowChocobo wrote:

You seem to assume your opinions are right. Many of your opinions are about as legitimate as someone claiming the earth is flat.

Wait... it's not? :O

Nah. The world's built on the back of two giant robot-things that managed to kill each other at exactly the same moment a few million years ago.

Oh right, of course.
Silly me.

Havent you read disc world? its on the back of a giant turtle!

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75. Posted:

That's actually an ancient American myth (and from what I just read, apparently east Asian, too... interesting). It's funny that everyone seems to know that from Discworld though.

The more you know.

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Actually the Indians (Hindu Indians, not Native Americans) believed the Earth was held up by a giant elephant.

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lol, i think this entire thread changed topic for a few posts, wonder how long that will happen.....

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Shouldn't this thread have been made AFTER the wii u comes out, and starts its life ???

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Adam wrote:

That's actually an ancient American myth (and from what I just read, apparently east Asian, too... interesting). It's funny that everyone seems to know that from Discworld though.

The more you know.

That turtle is also a Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition epic-level beastie to fight.

Most D & D beasties come from mythology from somewhere's mythology, but I'd never thought to look that particular case up. Now I know. I can die peacefully now.

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YellowChocobo wrote:

Adam wrote:

That's actually an ancient American myth (and from what I just read, apparently east Asian, too... interesting). It's funny that everyone seems to know that from Discworld though.

The more you know.

That turtle is also a Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition epic-level beastie to fight.

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