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I do not like features, even optional ones, that will control, even slightly, how people play. People should be able to play the way they want without that small optional Achievement trying to tell them to use the Rocket Launcher to Shoot a Warthog. That is why I believe Nintendo is not having a universal achievement feature. Nintendo wants people to play the games how they want, not how Nintendo wants.

Nintendo games have already had achievements. Didn't Metroid Prime 3 have achievements.. did that dictate how you played the game?

Didn't NSMB Wii have achievements? Didn't that Wario platformer have achievements? Was anyone here really disappointed and unable to enjoy the game because there were optional goals?

You speak the truth, @AlexSays. I was wrong about my previous post. Well said. Achievements do not dictate the way you play, awesome!

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AlexSays wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

I do not like features, even optional ones, that will control, even slightly, how people play. People should be able to play the way they want without that small optional Achievement trying to tell them to use the Rocket Launcher to Shoot a Warthog. That is why I believe Nintendo is not having a universal achievement feature. Nintendo wants people to play the games how they want, not how Nintendo wants.

Nintendo games have already had achievements. Didn't Metroid Prime 3 have achievements.. did that dictate how you played the game?

Didn't NSMB Wii have achievements? Didn't that Wario platformer have achievements? Was anyone here really disappointed and unable to enjoy the game because there were optional goals?

As I said some games do Achievements right but majority don't. I would say 1 out of 5 games do achievements right. I didn't like Metroid Prime 3's achievements do to requiring to have friends that played the game even without the game having multiplayer. Some games to them right but overall I would rather not have them

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http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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As I said some games do Achievements right but majority don't. I would say 1 out of 5 games do achievements right. I didn't like Metroid Prime 3's achievements do to requiring to have friends that played the game even without the game having multiplayer. Some games to them right but overall I would rather not have them

So wouldn't it make more sense to want the feature to be done better, rather than not having it done at all? You realize if companies stopped every time there was a flawed system in place, we wouldn't improve upon anything over time?

Brawl also had achievements. Did they make anyone here angry? I don't recall seeing the outrage when Brawl released because they were thought Nintendo was letting them enjoy games how they wanted.

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You speak the truth, @AlexSays. I was wrong about my previous post. Well said. Achievements do not dictate the way you play, awesome!

I am glad some people do not let Achievements dictate the way they play. I had a problem with that and I do not a reason to get stuck doing it again. As I said before, every time I have an option not to play with Achievements then I will select it. If it was a possible toggle that turned off Achievements on my account and I wasn't able to see others Achievements then it may not bother me as much. But overall I would rather not have Achievements.

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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45. Posted:

Varia01 wrote:

You speak the truth, @AlexSays. I was wrong about my previous post. Well said. Achievements do not dictate the way you play, awesome!

Thank you

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AlexSays wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

As I said some games do Achievements right but majority don't. I would say 1 out of 5 games do achievements right. I didn't like Metroid Prime 3's achievements do to requiring to have friends that played the game even without the game having multiplayer. Some games to them right but overall I would rather not have them

So wouldn't it make more sense to want the feature to be done better, rather than not having it done at all? You realize if companies stopped every time there was a flawed system in place, we wouldn't improve upon anything over time?

Brawl also had achievements. Did they make anyone here angry? I don't recall seeing the outrage when Brawl released because they were thought Nintendo was letting them enjoy games how they wanted.

Brawl's achievements were well done. The problem lies when companies see they can make money off of Achievements or control how their players play a game using Achievements. I hope one day we can have a future like Star Trek where people aren't as greedy and aren't trying to out do each other but until then I feel Achievements are a slippery slope. As you have shown there are achievements in some Nintendo Games now, it is fine how Nintendo is using them now so why change it?

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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DefHalan wrote:

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You speak the truth, @AlexSays. I was wrong about my previous post. Well said. Achievements do not dictate the way you play, awesome!

I am glad some people do not let Achievements dictate the way they play. I had a problem with that and I do not a reason to get stuck doing it again. As I said before, every time I have an option not to play with Achievements then I will select it. If it was a possible toggle that turned off Achievements on my account and I wasn't able to see others Achievements then it may not bother me as much. But overall I would rather not have Achievements.

That's right too. That's not a bad idea either. @DefHalan, your post is also well said.

Currently Playing: Metroid Prime 3, Zelda Twilight Princess, & Metroid Other M
Hyped for: Sonic Lost World, Super Smash Bros 3DS, & Dream Team

Even though I have beaten many of the games I'm still playing, I play them not to win, but to have fun.

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AlexSays wrote:

Varia01 wrote:

You speak the truth, @AlexSays. I was wrong about my previous post. Well said. Achievements do not dictate the way you play, awesome!

Thank you

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Everyone comes around eventually. Even SCAR will one day see the light.

You are welcome, man.

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49. Posted:

DefHalan wrote:

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But is it the achievement itself that is causing the change in behavior or is it how the achievement system works ? If you are using Xbox 360 as an example then all your achievements reward points that are then put together to give you a score (my understanding, never owned a 360) that is attached to your online handle. While for Steam there is no achievements points but rather simply achievements, and while they are attached to your account there is no total scoring of them.

So to my main question, is it the system or the achievements them selves that cause this problem?

On Steam, Team Fortress 2 rewards you with weapons and other items when you get Achievements and I have even gotten obsessed with collecting those Optional Achievements just to get a weapon or item. It changed the way I play. It could be the way it is implemented and not all games have bad Achievements and not all Achievements are bad but if I have an option to not play with Achievements then that is going to be what I do so that I am not tempted. That is why I am against Achievements, even optional ones.

Team fortress 2 is a poor choice for this debate, mainly because there is a whole trading system tied in with it as well as monetization. It also is an experiment in of it self , if you recall those achievements where not added till later where you gained weapons . There is to many layers at work to solely place achievements as the linch pin. For example for my TF2 time i didnt care for some class weps because i never played them, so the achievements where a quick way to gain items to trade for what i didnt want . In my case the achievements wernt the problem, the problem was the achievements where the only reliable way to obtain something i could use.

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50. Posted:

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Everyone comes around eventually. Even SCAR will one day see the light.

It isn't about "seeing the light" I personally don't like Achievements and don't want to see them on Nintendo systems, you disagree and I am Ok with that. I am not trying to get you to change your mind just to understand why I will not change my mind.

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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Team fortress 2 is a poor choice for this debate, mainly because there is a whole trading system tied in with it as well as monetization. It also is an experiment in of it self , if you recall those achievements where not added till later where you gained weapons . There is to many layers at work to solely place achievements to blame

I did not play Team Fortress 2 until after they added achievements so I don't know how that game was before. That is just a reason why I don't like Achievements.

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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52. Posted:

AlexSays wrote:

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1,000,000 kills is NOT gonna happen for me. I have fun playing the game, but having the impossible goals, and no real incentive makes me not care at all.

Sorry I don't want to dictate how other people enjoy games

So you're fine with a goal system not being implemented, then? Good.
It doesn't make me sad. I'm just saying they're pointless, so I don't care either way. There's a difference between can, and will.
If Nintendo added them, then ok, but I doubt they will, and nor do they really have to in order for the game to be enjoyable.
If I really want achievements, I'll just go play Xbox.

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As you have shown there are achievements in some Nintendo Games now, it is fine how Nintendo is using them now so why change it?

Well my primary point was to dismiss the idea that Nintendo games shouldn't have them entirely. Now that that's been successful, I suppose contemplating the future would be the next step.

Everything can be improved upon. An online identity that comprehensively lists your achievements, game playing time, and other statistics would only benefit consumers. I would love to have a comprehensive history of my video game playing days on each console that could be carried with me to further generations.

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AlexSays wrote:

Everyone comes around eventually. Even SCAR will one day see the light.

It isn't about "seeing the light" I personally don't like Achievements and don't want to see them on Nintendo systems, you disagree and I am Ok with that. I am not trying to get you to change your mind just to understand why I will not change my mind.

No, it is about seeing the light

Some people like achievements. You've admitted they are good in some games and do not detract from the experience. Yet you maintain that this should not be implemented in Nintendo games due to a small number of questionable examples that you personally think achievements were bad.

That's a selfish way of thinking. You can not care what happens - that's fine, I don't really care either - but to say you'd rather it not happen because you are unable to avoid an optional feature (that's been in games you've enjoyed) that would make other people happy does not make any sense.

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DefHalan wrote:

Warruz wrote:

Team fortress 2 is a poor choice for this debate, mainly because there is a whole trading system tied in with it as well as monetization. It also is an experiment in of it self , if you recall those achievements where not added till later where you gained weapons . There is to many layers at work to solely place achievements to blame

I did not play Team Fortress 2 until after they added achievements so I don't know how that game was before. That is just a reason why I don't like Achievements.

If you ever boot up TF2 again there are general achievements, thats all that was before and none of them granted anything.

I think one of the best examples of a good achievement is the gnome in half life 2 EP 2. In case you arnt aware of it here is the jist of it. There is a gnome all the way back in the start of the game and there is a rocket at the end of the game. If you bring that gnome all the way to the rocket you get an achievement. This is an optional added challenge that completed it only granted you a little popup on the bottom right, but its something you most likely would of never done yourself if the achievement didnt exist. It was an added challenge to watch that little gnome through the whole game but a fun one.

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SCAR392 wrote:

AlexSays wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

1,000,000 kills is NOT gonna happen for me. I have fun playing the game, but having the impossible goals, and no real incentive makes me not care at all.

Sorry I don't want to dictate how other people enjoy games

So you're fine with a goal system not being implemented, then? Good.
It doesn't make me sad. I'm just saying they're pointless, so I don't care either way. There's a difference between can, and will.
If Nintendo added them, then ok, but I doubt they will, and nor do they really have to in order for the game to be enjoyable.
If I really want achievements, I'll just go play Xbox.

They've already implemented them. If you want achievements, why don't you go play Brawl? lolol

Oh and remember, you attributed achievements to Sony and Microsoft. Therefore Nintendo must have copied them when they decided to make Brawl's achievements. Your logic, not mine. : )

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No, it is about seeing the light

Some people like achievements. You've admitted they are good in some games and do not detract from the experience. Yet you maintain that this should not be implemented in Nintendo games due to a small number of questionable examples that you personally think achievements were bad.

That's a selfish way of thinking. You can not care what happens - that's fine, I don't really care either - but to say you'd rather it not happen because you are unable to avoid an optional feature (that's been in games you've enjoyed) that would make other people happy does not make any sense.

I have stated many times how I personally feel on the issue. There are people out there that like and want the feature ok but I do not. I am not taking the feature away from them I am just voicing my opinion. My opinion is that Achievements should not be in games and I have my reasons, as stated before. If you think they should and that they provide more positive than negative then that is your opinion and I am ok with you having that opinion

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http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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57. Posted:

AlexSays wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

AlexSays wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

1,000,000 kills is NOT gonna happen for me. I have fun playing the game, but having the impossible goals, and no real incentive makes me not care at all.

Sorry I don't want to dictate how other people enjoy games

So you're fine with a goal system not being implemented, then? Good.
It doesn't make me sad. I'm just saying they're pointless, so I don't care either way. There's a difference between can, and will.
If Nintendo added them, then ok, but I doubt they will, and nor do they really have to in order for the game to be enjoyable.
If I really want achievements, I'll just go play Xbox.

They've already implemented them. If you want achievements, why don't you go play Brawl? lolol

Oh and remember, you attributed achievements to Sony and Microsoft. Therefore Nintendo must have copied them when they decided to make Brawl's achievements. Your logic, not mine. : )

No, you've already said they've been around longer than that. I didn't count unlocking stuff as achievements. Completing a game and unlocking stuff in the game is an achievement according to YOUR logic.
That's fine. In that case, you're right, but that doesn't mean I want a system count for said 'achievements'.
Xbox 360 and PS3 achievements don't unlock artwork or trophies. You usually get that by buying the limited edition version of an Xbox 360 or PS3 game at GameStop as a pre order bonus.

EDIT: How do you feel about the achievement that gets unlocked if you buy the Day One limited edition Xbox One skus? That has nothing to do with games at all.

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@SCAR Completely indifferent

It does not affect me and I can totally ignore it. Meanwhile others will enjoy it.

I'd have to be pretty self centered and egotistical to be upset with other people's enjoyment!

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If you think they should and that they provide more positive than negative then that is your opinion and I am ok with you having that opinion

That's the thing with optional features, you can completely ignore them and therefore there is no negative

Only positive

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AlexSays wrote:

@SCAR Completely indifferent

It does not affect me and I can totally ignore it. Meanwhile others will enjoy it.

I'd have to be pretty self centered and egotistical to be upset with other people's enjoyment!

DefHalan wrote:

If you think they should and that they provide more positive than negative then that is your opinion and I am ok with you having that opinion

That's the thing with optional features, you can completely ignore them and therefore there is no negative

Only positive

They're like protons, or alpha particles

Colliding in this hadron collider of video games <3

Optional features are not always good. Smoking is an optional feature of life but if you are forced to be near someone that smokes then you get a lot of the negatives (just an example). I see more bad than good in Achievements, even when they are optional.

http://dudehugespeaks.tumblr.com/post/44243746261/nickels-dimes-and-quarters
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/why-console-specs-dont-matter
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/200271/Video_Don_Daglow_on_nextgen_transition_traps_and_treasures.php

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Optional features are not always good. Smoking is an optional feature of life but if you are forced to be near someone that smokes then you get a lot of the negatives (just an example). I see more bad than good in Achievements, even when they are optional.

If you are forced to also take part in the smoking, its not optional.

That was not a good analogy. lol

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