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Topic: A newer model of the Wii U later in its lifespan

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SCAR392

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Plus the internet that runs on lasers isn't even out yet, but it does exist. There would only be one internet speed available, the speed of light. You could dl uncountable numbers just by clicking on whatever. Especially if we do end up going to other planets, which I think is inevitable, we would have lag again going through space, even when using laser internet.

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PSPGo had 16GB of flash in 2009 (equivalent to the cost of ~64GB now) while the PSP had virtually none. Wii U has 8/32GB which costs the same now as 256GB/1TB will before 2020. Reasonable to expect them to be able to cut the cost of the system by removing the bulky optical drive, which doesn't really drop in cost, and improving manufacturing before the end of the console's life.

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SCAR392

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I saw the internet episode on PBS around 6-7 years ago, which was a while ago, so I expect progress. Haha.

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SCAR392 wrote:

Plus the internet that runs on lasers isn't even out yet, but it does exist. There would only be one internet speed available, the speed of light. You could dl uncountable numbers just by clicking on whatever. Especially if we do end up going to other planets, which I think is inevitable, we would have lag again going through space, even when using laser internet.

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Optical tech works on lazers and delivers speeds of 300Mbps to houses in many areas already. It's not common but it's moving along reasonably well, we can expect that sort of speed to be available to a fair chunk of the console market before the end of the Wii U's life. It's not an "in the lab" thing it's widely used and is what has been connecting the countries together via undersea cables for decades.

Saying that the fact it runs at "the speed of light" is a point of difference is nonsense though. All networking technologies, DSL/Mobile/Fibre/Sats, run at the "speed of light". They just do. The thing is light is a speed in m/s (or km/h, mph or whatever) not Mbps which is the important spec and ontop of that not all links are the same length. Comparing 'net speed is more like comparing the rate at which people are moved on a motorbike vs a train vs an airbus if they all travelled at the same speed.

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SCAR392

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Well. Ok, but I think they should just make internet that can go to other planets at the speen we currently get being wired on the world. Also, an atmospheric Wi-fi hotspot that any device can use without paying, or be part of taxes or whatever to pay for it...

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SCAR392

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GLOBAL ATMOSPHERE WI-FI HOTSPOT. MAKE IT HAPPEN OBAMA THANKS. haha...

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skywake

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@SCAR392 We already have signals being sent between planets to some extent, there's nothing particularly magical about it. No point to push it much further if there's nothing to connect to. It's how we communicate with the Mars rovers and other exploration probes/bots.

Ontop of that "atmospheric WiFi" already exists, it's called satelite internet. It sucks relatively speaking. Remember I said the length of the link matters? With a wired connection it can take <1ms to go 50kms fairly easily. With a satelite link the signal has to go to space and back so you get a minimum of around 300ms regardless of how close you are to the base station. Not good for gaming. Plus you have to share the link with however many users which impacts the speed.

We'll get better connections and it will certaintly make things like a DL only console very, very reasonable. We won't be doing it via something that sounds sci-fi though, we'll do it with the technology that works best.

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SCAR392

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Haha. Ok, but if they just stopped 'selling' internet, and put it all towards 2 satelites that gave everyone the same internet speed no matter what, using solar panels as well as what ever friction to power them, wouldn't that be globally more beneficial and useful? Instead of paying Century link, or Comcast for powered dial-up pretty much... I don't know much about tech that fondly, but I think you get what I'm saying.

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SCAR392 wrote:

Haha. Ok, but if they just stopped 'selling' internet, and put it all towards 2 satelites that gave everyone the same internet speed no matter what, using solar panels as well as what ever friction to power them, wouldn't that be globally more beneficial and useful? Instead of paying Century link, or Comcast for powered dial-up pretty much... I don't know much about tech that fondly, but I think you get what I'm saying.

Satelites are very expensive and die eventually. They also are severely limited in terms of what speeds they can deliver. Where there are lots of people in small areas it's a lot, lot cheaper to deliver a service via a cable and it has the added benefit of being orders of magnitude faster.

You think the lag introduced when playing an Australian is bad? Try adding that ontop of all of the lag for every single connection you get already. Not good.

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SCAR392

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Ya, I guess so. Maybe if we just fueled the satelites with gasoline, instead of our cars...

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TheItalianBaptist

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I saw a couple of people commenting on the fact that there would be no way they would get it because they want physical copies; for the record I would be suggesting that a download-only model be put ALONGSIDE the disc model, because just having a download-only system would NEVER work. Hopefully that clears some things up :)

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Treverend

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Somehow I don't think a global wi-fi signal penetrating our bodies constantly would be good on our health... lol

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Treverend

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TheItalianBaptist wrote:

because just having a download-only system would NEVER work.

Steam on the PC would like a word with ya. ;)

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fortius54

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I am intrigued by the download only model especially now that Nintendo is tossing the deluxe people a bone. What I wonder about though is the price drops. At the given moment, I can go to Toys R Us and buy Skyward Sword for $34.99 all day. I go to Walmart it is still running at $49.99. What is the download price going to be? I mean it will take five full price ($59.99) games to get enough credit to make the difference. Until things like that change, I will most likely be buying a disc with the exception of eShop titles.

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DudeSean

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Treverend wrote:

Somehow I don't think a global wi-fi signal penetrating our bodies constantly would be good on our health... lol

You don't think there's a bunch of signals floating around in the room with you right now?

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Treverend

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Well yeah that's true, but dayum, wouldn't want some global thing, never be able to get away from it. We don't even know if it has long term health effects yet.

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Moshugan

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I think it's very feasible (not to mention potentially profitable) to make a Wii U Mini along the line, that would be completely online, as long as it has min. 250gb storage.

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Forral

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Treverend wrote:

TheItalianBaptist wrote:

because just having a download-only system would NEVER work.

Steam on the PC would like a word with ya. ;)

The thing with steam though, and i have hundreds of games on it and love it, is that the digital distribution model exploded because of retail shops like game and the supermarkets deciding there wasn't enough profit in PC games. The pc section kept getting smaller and smaller and no one could trade the games in because of the relative ease of copying the games and then the one use cd key to prevent this. Specialist stores like PC World charge ridiculous prices to start with and rarely ever reduce.
So Steam benefited from the lack of high street presence of pc games hugely, offering players a chance to buy the game and DL it that day without having to wait for the postie to deliver. Add in the huge steam sales where games are reduced but up to 80% (which also increased the amount of money the developers saw) and Steam established itself in the DL market as the dominent force.

In regards to consoles, I don't see that happening for a long time. Game may have been in trouble recently but there will always be a high street presence, if only the big supermarkets. Plus the DL games on PS3 are extortionately priced, more expensive than buying in the shops. A steam situation could occur and DL only consoles could take off but I think we need to see competiive pricing and potentialy Steam like sales, to see it take off. Nintendo with their approach to eShop pricing could well be helping this, allowing devs to do their own sales.

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xThomas

39. Posted:

I hope hard copies stay. That way, Ebay!

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GameLord08

40. Posted:

Why are we arguing about this when the Wii U effectively offers an option for both physical and digital retail? Just choose one. End of story.

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