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Knux

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I have just completed Ocarina of Time, and it is one of the best games I have ever played in a long time. I started this topic to discuss about everyones' opinion about Ocarina of Time and it's ending.

Here is my opinion:
Game:
It is very deep and combat is real smooth. This game has a good amount of dungeons,and plenty of sidequests. Most of the dungeons are fun,except for the Shadow Temple. There are plenty of sidequests and the storyline is pretty good.
The boss battles are hard,but most of them are too easy [Bongo Bongo was way TOO easy]. The only bosses that are somewhat harder are Konmue and Kotake [Twinrova was much easier] and Ganondorf. I even beat Ganon on my first try without dying! The only part of the game that is kinda a little hard are the puzzles. I had to look at an online strategy guide sometimes to just figure out an answer to what should be a simple puzzle. But most puzzles I didn't have trouble with.

Almost ALL mini-bosses are pushovers,except for Dark Link [but he still was easy for me] and the Iron Knuckes [I hate them]. But despite that,Oot was still very fun. There was a lot of places to explore and playing the game never grows old. In fact,Oot dosen't even feel old,it almost feels like a brand new game. The graphics are really impressive for a N64 game. Oh, and the fact that you can go to the dungeons in almost any order you like is great. I really felt like I was allowed to play the game as I want,and not having the game telling me what to do. Anyway,this game was very fun. I think I will try the 2D Zeldas soon.

I hope Nintendo releases Majora's Mask soon on the NA VC!

Ending:
The ending was so-so. It wasn't the greatest Zelda ending, but I have seen worse [like Twilight Princess's ending]. I personally like Oot's ending.

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Why do you dislike the ending?

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Actually, I thought the Shadow Temple was great. I really enjoyed the creepy atmosphere. Unless of course you're scared of the dark! How old are you by the way?

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Zelda just takes the Ocarina from him and sends him back to the beginning of it all! IIRC, he didn't even get a kiss out of the deal. Link did all that hard work, and he'll never know he actually did it. And if he ever remembers, no one will believe him. How freaking lame is that? I know the ending is all poignant and stuff, with the Sages having to remain separate from everyone, but there's so many 'it was all a dream' or 'great, you got through it, now let's send you back to the beginning and you'll never remember it' TV shows and movies and whatnot that it still feels like a cheap cop-out to me.

I love playing through OoT because there's so much going on -- the Gorons accept you as a brother, Princess Ruto wants to get in your pants, you steal a beautiful horse (and the heart of the milkmaid?), Saria kinda leaves you behind to become a Sage, you have a freaking adventure and a half with the Gerudo womens, you explore a creepy underground dungeon with phantom walls and floors, giant pointy fairies shriek with happiness when they see you coming, and yet in the end, with all the puzzles you figured out and the miniquests you completed to get hearts and abilities and stuff, it's like it never happened. what?!?? Way to dodge Link having to deal with/getting to enjoy his newfound awesomeness, even for a few minutes of an FMV sequence, LoZ writers. :|

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koopa85 wrote:

Actually, I thought the Shadow Temple was great. I really enjoyed the creepy atmosphere. Unless of course you're scared of the dark! How old are you by the way?

@koopa85
Haha very funny,I'm 18. How old are you? :P
But seriously,I'm not scared of the Shadow Temple at all. It's just a somewhat fustrating temple. The darkness makes it fustrating to navigate through. It's not hard,but it's just not as fun as the other temples. The Water Temple was more fun then the Shadow Temple in my opinion. My favorite temple is the Spirit Temple.

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I really liked the Twilight Princess ending, partucularly when compared to Ocarina of Time's. Midna leaving back into the Twilight Realm was one of the most touching moments in the series, imo.
As for the topic at hand, no doubt, Ocarina of Time is one of, if not THE best games ever made. Even if Twilight Princess technically out did it in every way, there is no denying how revolutionary Ocarina was during the time it was released and it's a feeling I relive everytime I play it.

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@tbd does Link lose his memories in the end?

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theblackdragon wrote:

Zelda just takes the Ocarina from him and sends him back to the beginning of it all! IIRC, he didn't even get a kiss out of the deal. Link did all that hard work, and he'll never know he actually did it. And if he ever remembers, no one will believe him. How freaking lame is that? I know the ending is all poignant and stuff, with the Sages having to remain separate from everyone, but there's so many 'it was all a dream' or 'great, you got through it, now let's send you back to the beginning and you'll never remember it' TV shows and movies and whatnot that it still feels like a cheap cop-out to me.

I love playing through OoT because there's so much going on -- the Gorons accept you as a brother, Princess Ruto wants to get in your pants, you steal a beautiful horse (and the heart of the milkmaid?), Saria kinda leaves you behind to become a Sage, you have a freaking adventure and a half with the Gerudo womens, you explore a creepy underground dungeon with phantom walls and floors, giant pointy fairies shriek with happiness when they see you coming, and yet in the end, with all the puzzles you figured out and the miniquests you completed to get hearts and abilities and stuff, it's like it never happened. what?!?? Way to dodge Link having to deal with/getting to enjoy his newfound awesomeness, even for a few minutes of an FMV sequence, LoZ writers. :|

I can respect that, though I'll admit it never occurred to me before, and I was overall very happy with the narrative of Ocarina. (And if you think THAT's a copout, I wonder what you must think of the end of Majora's Mask!)

Wind Waker probably has my favorite ending, followed by A Link to the Past (which is lovely and touching in its simplicity).

Twilight Princess has a pretty crappy ending...Midna transforming from stumpy imp to leggy supermodel...uh, sure, okay. That's not a concession to the teenage boys in the audience or anything...

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SuperSonic1990 wrote:

What is your favorite dungeon in Oot?

I like the Gerudo Fortress sequence. I know it's not really a dungeon, but it's fun to have to sneak around and pick off the guards one by one. As for actual dungeons, though, I'd go with the Spirit Temple. :3

also! I just found this: http://www.theherooftime.com/... apparently these dudes made a fan-movie based on OoT, and it's due for release this June. o_o!

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theblackdragon wrote:

Zelda just takes the Ocarina from him and sends him back to the beginning of it all! IIRC, he didn't even get a kiss out of the deal. Link did all that hard work, and he'll never know he actually did it. And if he ever remembers, no one will believe him. How freaking lame is that? I know the ending is all poignant and stuff, with the Sages having to remain separate from everyone, but there's so many 'it was all a dream' or 'great, you got through it, now let's send you back to the beginning and you'll never remember it' TV shows and movies and whatnot that it still feels like a cheap cop-out to me.

I love playing through OoT because there's so much going on -- the Gorons accept you as a brother, Princess Ruto wants to get in your pants, you steal a beautiful horse (and the heart of the milkmaid?), Saria kinda leaves you behind to become a Sage, you have a freaking adventure and a half with the Gerudo womens, you explore a creepy underground dungeon with phantom walls and floors, giant pointy fairies shriek with happiness when they see you coming, and yet in the end, with all the puzzles you figured out and the miniquests you completed to get hearts and abilities and stuff, it's like it never happened. what?!?? Way to dodge Link having to deal with/getting to enjoy his newfound awesomeness, even for a few minutes of an FMV sequence, LoZ writers. :|

@theblackdragon
First of all,Link DOES remember the events in Oot. Second,there are not really that many games that Zelda kisses Link. The only games that I know that Zelda kisses Link are Oracle of Ages and Seasons [when you link the games up] and perhaps Zelda II.
Third,the events in Oot weren't erased,Zelda just created 2 timelines.
The first timeline is the Child Timeline. This timeline is the timeline that Zelda sends Link back to. In this timeline,the events in Oot never happned. But strangely,Ganondorf still had the Triforce even though he never actually obtain it in this timeline.
Link managed to warn Zelda about what was going to happen. As a result,Ganondorf almost got executed and was banished to the Twilight Realm. Link takes a vacation and so on and so on. The games that take place in this timeline are Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess.

The second timeline is the Adult Timeline:
This is the timeline that Link left behind. There was peace for awhile,but eventually Ganon busted out and caused havoc. Link was in the Child Timeline,so he couldn't help Hyrule. As a result,Hyrule flooded and Ganon disappeared for awhile.
The games that resulted from this timeline are:The Wind Waker,Phantom Hourglass,and possibly Spirit Tracks.

To me Ocarina of Time's ending is not the best,but certainly not the worst. It's an intesting ending,I like time paradoxes.
But in my opinion,Twilight Princess's and Link's Awankening's endings sucked.
Twilight Princess's ending sucked because when stupid Midna had to shatter that mirror [why]. Link's Awakening because it was all a stupid dream. Those endings sucked BIG time.

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zane wrote:

@tbd does Link lose his memories in the end?

No he dosen't lose his memories. How come Link could warn Zelda about Ganondorf at the very end of the game if he couldn't remember?

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@tbd He didn't even get a kiss??? They're teenagers goddamit, don't you know that chicks have cooties?

and btw i have to qoute myself on this but Ocarina of time is the only game ever that has made my throat go lump and burst into tears, i don't think that a game EVER will make feel so emotional again. It´s the perfect ending. She sends him back because of love and respect... You know those two are never meant to be. And i like that... The nonexistent tension between the two.

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@tbd does Link lose his memories in the end?

technically, I don't think we're sure. Zelda tells him that 'it's time for me to make up for my mistakes' and 'when peace returns to Hyrule, it'll be time to say goodbye', and then she says 'go home, regain your lost time... home, where you are supposed to be'. we don't see Link again until he shows up in Zelda's garden, just like when they met for the first time.

personally, i think she either (a) wasn't able to fully erase his memory, leading him back to her garden to confront her, or (b) perhaps the Great Deku Tree had a hand in sending him to her. either way... aargh. :|

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And if you think THAT's a copout, I wonder what you must think of the end of Majora's Mask

Majora's Mask was different. It wasn't really meant to be part of the main LoZ story, so it can get away with more funny business. :) As for Twilight Princess, I was just sad that Link didn't go with Midna, that he was stuck with Zelda. Zelda behaved very passively in that game (compared to OoT, where she was directly helping Link as Sheik), and Midna was the better heroine of the two IMO. I hope there's some way for them to bring Midna back in another game -- another non-canon installment, perhaps?

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I hope there's some way for them to bring Midna back in another game -- another non-canon installment, perhaps?

The Zelda Wii game might be a direct sequel to Twilight Princess. So,we might see Midna again.

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As for Twilight Princess, I was just sad that Link didn't go with Midna, that he was stuck with Zelda. Zelda behaved very passively in that game (compared to OoT, where she was directly helping Link as Sheik), and Midna was the better heroine of the two IMO. I hope there's some way for them to bring Midna back in another game -- another non-canon installment, perhaps?

Yeah, Zelda was totally worthless in TP. Honestly, it probably would have been fine to make the game without her. (There are at least two other Zelda games in which she doesn't appear.) She served no purpose and, probably for the first time ever, I didn't really care about what happened to her.

Midna, though, I really did care about. And I came to respect her and enjoy her company...which is why I was very disappointed that at the end of the story she's forced to become the stuff of pubescent fantasy. BOO! She was a stronger character than that! Don't reduce her to a sexual stereotype...gah!

I do believe Midna deserves to come back in another game...in her bratty, grumpy, impy form that is. I'd love to see her again, she was my favorite of Link's many traveling companions, and was the best thing (by far) about that whole game.

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Lol actually my mid-term paper was on the Legend of Zelda timeline (and whether or not there is one). You have no idea how many strings i had to pull to get that subject approved. I got a 98% A on it. The only reason I didn't get a 100 is because of 2 typos.

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@Zane: they were adults at that point in the ending, weren't they? 'Adult Link' was the one who defeated Ganondorf, not 'Child Link'...

@SuperSonic: whether or not she erased his memory is debatable, but when I first played through the game, that was the impression I had of what happened, and it has stuck with me ever since. And Zelda kissing link in prior games is beside the point. with him going back to a child after spending so much time as a man, she could've at least kissed him for his effort before sending him back to live with the fairies, y'know what i'm saying? :P

also, i know about the timeline mess. but still, with his memories gone (again, debatable, but you won't change my mind on it) it's like it never happened. i'm not saying it was all completely erased from the Zelda timeline, i'm talking about Link in OoT here.

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zane wrote:

@tbd does Link lose his memories in the end?

No he dosen't lose his memories. How come Link could warn Zelda about Ganondorf at the very end of the game if he couldn't remember?

but we don't know that he was warning her about Ganondorf at that point. we don't really know what he was doing there at all. the game just stops there when their eyes meet.

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I personally think that Ocarina was one of the best Zelda games ever.(Next to Twlilight anyway.)
I have it and I really like it, but I found it a little too easy... Whereas, in my opinion, Twilight was hard as crap.
I really liked Twilight better but Ocarina is a VERY close second!

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theblackdragon wrote:

SuperSonic1990 wrote:

zane wrote:

@tbd does Link lose his memories in the end?

No he dosen't lose his memories. How come Link could warn Zelda about Ganondorf at the very end of the game if he couldn't remember?

but we don't know that he was warning her about Ganondorf at that point. we don't really know what he was doing there at all. the game just stops there when their eyes meet.

I think he does for the following reasons.
1.If Link and Zelda were talking in Majora's Mask,surely he would have told Zelda.
2.In Twilight Princess,Ganondorf got executed in the Child Timeline. Eiji Aonuma said the flashback took place a few years after Ocarina of Time. Why would they execute Ganondorf unless Link told Zelda?

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Ocarina of Time is probably the reason why I'm here posting comments when I should be asleep. It is the game that made me fall in love with gaming and made me realize that a video game can compete with films and books in terms of cultural influence. It influenced me as a person and I think it's perfect.

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