I love this game. Without it we probably would not have Shy Guys, POW Blocks, or Bob-ombs!

There were POW blocks in Mario Bros.

Does SMB2 borrow allot of the same music from Doki Doki Panic?

It is a classic and unique game.

I really don't get all the SMB2 bashing on the interwebz, before anyone really knew it started out life as Doki Doki Panic it was firmly accepted as a worthy sequel. Mean Machines magazine awarded it a worthy 89% at the time when it came out.

I still enjoy playing this even today. Bashing Birdo on the head with her own egg never tires!

I Love it.
i also don't understand the bashing too, they talk about beeing "tricked" and etc... i don't feel that, we still got the JP SMB2 as the Lost Levels.
And it's an awesome game on it's own.
Besides they (industry guys) did the same thing with Robotnik's Mean Bean and no one makes a mess around it

It's a good game, it's just too much of a departure from the original for me to appreciate it fully. It's kinda how I feel about Zelda II: I'd probably like it a lot better if it didn't have the name attached to it.

Allow me to reiterate:

http://www.nintendolife.com/forums/retro/super_mario_bros_2_u...

The topic of SMB2 USA's legitimacy and impact on the series has already been discussed in greater detail there. Why repeat ourselves, when we could just read that and continue to grow that conversation?

@PhoenixSage
Why you people always make a fuss around names jeez...
I'm tired of hearing people with FF2USA4 Robotmans Eggniks Dragonwarrior IcarianQuests stuff

@MrPinguy: It's because I associate certain names with certain products. When the product differs, I think to myself, "I like this series because of what the gameplay was like before. Why did they have to go and change it?" I am automatically predujiced against a game because of the connotations of the name. I know it's wrong, but I can't help it.

I agree that names are important to a degree and that they stand for certain expectations from a franchise. I'm on the fence about Zelda II, for instance; interesting game, highly original in many ways, but it doesn't quite feel like it belongs comfortably within the series. Part of that is due to the fact none of the primary creative forces behind the other early games in the Zelda series played a role in II, as it was produced by a different team within Nintendo.

As I covered in the other SMB2 thread, however, there is easily a case to be made that this game has every right to be considered a real part of the series, but I hate repeating discussions so you can read everyone's arguments there

A bit of related...
Wasn't that Mario Show based on this game also, (not just SMB)?
You know the 4 protagonists and some music tracks...

I wish Mario 2 and Zelda 2 had been introduced as new IPs. They were both great games, and we might have seen sequels to them if that had happened. Obviously it works for them as a business, but personally I feel they rely too heavily on using the same few mascots in throw-away side games that could have been fully developed into a series of its own.

@warioswoods: I read the thread and I see where you're coming from. I also agree that this is part of the Mario canon, and that it has had lasting effects on the Mario franchise. I just can't get into it as much because of how different it is from every other Super Mario Bros. I find myself playing SMB, SMB3, and SMW a lot more than SMB2.

@PhoenixSage

Understood, to each his own; I have to say that I also pick this one up much less often, although I might be more inclined to do so if they'd put All Stars on the VC.

@Adam

That's a very good point; if they were making a game with very different gameplay concepts from the first Zelda, using a different team, why not create a new IP and let it continue from there? I know that the obvious reason is for the sales boost they reasonably could expect from having the popular Zelda in the title, but it's true that we shouldn't be forced to pick between the ideas in that game and the way the series actually proceed from there, we might as well have both. Actually, I'd be fine with it just being a split from the same IP rather than an all new one, sort of like the Metroid Prime series or even Other M. It could have been Other Z, and we could have seen some great sequels . . .