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CanisWolfred

601. Posted:

VolpeStella wrote:

I assume those are:

Excite Bike 64
Pilot Wings 64
Mario Party 3
Dr. Mario
Star Fox
Yoshi's Island

Fixed, plus Donkey Kong 64, I forgot about that one. That makes 7, which they'll try to make last for a while.

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602. Posted:

@lz: It used to...now it's pretty much a run-down, boarded-up hole-in-the-wall that drifts into a distant memory, and then nothingness.

I do believe Token Girl's right; we keep getting a few games from one company at a time, switching out for no obvious reason. Sunsoft in the summer, SNK last month, Natsume in the spring, even Koei sometime last year!

@Mickeymac: Still missing a few worthwhile, if improbable releases:

Super Mario's Picross (obviously not coming, still BS that it's not.)
Devil's World (same.)
Adventures of Lolo 3 (what the hell even happened with this one? I've asked before, but nobody really seems to know...)
Wario's Woods SNES version (that NES version is total crap by comparison!)
Yoshi's Cookie SNES version (less necessary, but it'd be nice.)
Yoshi's Panel De Pon (surely they could release it under that title instead of Tetris Attack if they WANTED to...but they seem to think that Pokemon Puzzle League was a good enough substitute. I disagree.)
Kirby's Star Stacker (I love the Gameboy game and want to try the SNES version, even though it'd have to be an import!)
More or less any Nintendo arcade game (don't feel like trying to list all...Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. being the most obvious, 'cause we all know the NES ports suck by comparison.)

You could argue that a few of those games wouldn't sell well. I say they'd sell better than no release at all for any given week, and certainly well enough to recoup the minimal costs of the release.

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KingMike

603. Posted:

Last I knew Bullet-Proof/Blue Planet/Tetris Company still owns the copyright on the programming to Yoshi's Cookie SNES. Nintendo only bought the NES' complete copyrights.
I would like to see the rare 1993 PAL-only version of Mario Bros. (aka the "Classic Series" version) Maybe also the restored version of DK that's only available on a PAL Wii. Why not make it a VC release for everyone else?
They could also do the VS arcade games (Clu Clu Land had different levels on the NES, though I admit it's not a very popular game. But they should release SMB for completion, as it was actually a bit more challenging than normal SMB. Though not SMB2 levels.)

Well, hopefully on the 3DS, they'll at least release the rare EU GB version of Lolo. Even the supposedly-not-as-good Japanese version is difficult to find.

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LordTendoboy

604. Posted:

The VC is pretty much dead [in North America at least]. How hard is it for Nintendo to have a VC release every week?

The non-Nintendo platforms need more attention also, More Neo-Geo, Master System, and Commodore64 games please.

And where the hell is Mega Man X?! And Contra NES, how could Konami/Nintendo forget about that?!

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605. Posted:

tendoboy1984 wrote:

The VC is pretty much dead [in North America at least]. How hard is it for Nintendo to have a VC release every week?

Very hard, apparently. They have to generate interest, get the rights, work hard to get it emulated, and then upload it to the WSC. That doesn't happen quickly.

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CanisWolfred

606. Posted:

VolpeStella wrote:

tendoboy1984 wrote:

The VC is pretty much dead [in North America at least]. How hard is it for Nintendo to have a VC release every week?

Very hard, apparently. They have to generate interest, get the rights, work hard to get it emulated, and then upload it to the WSC. That doesn't happen quickly.

And that's just the steps we know of. Curse Ninty's secretiveness.

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The_Ink_Pit_Ox

607. Posted:

You'd think we could at least get first party titles to tide us over.

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CanisWolfred

608. Posted:

VolpeStella wrote:

You'd think we could at least get first party titles to tide us over.

But there aren't enough First Party games that would sell.

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609. Posted:

VolpeStella wrote:

tendoboy1984 wrote:

The VC is pretty much dead [in North America at least]. How hard is it for Nintendo to have a VC release every week?

Very hard, apparently. They have to generate interest, get the rights, work hard to get it emulated, and then upload it to the WSC. That doesn't happen quickly.

Work hard to get it emulated? That's quite an assumption in and of itself. It's very unlikely that there's really a whole lot of work involved in emulating most VC games, with the noteworthy possible exception of VCA, whose games don't run on standardized equipment like console titles do. But even with those, the hardware we're talking about is hilariously primitive by modern standards, and should pose no problem whatsoever to a programmer good enough to get employed by the companies interested in releasing the games. This is especially considering that geeks worked out these details on computers YEARS ago, for free, and without the level of insider info someone doing it legitimately would have access to.

Now, I WILL agree that getting the rights is a problem, but it's usually not for the same reason that others might think. People seem to be under the impression that Nintendo goes out of its way to try to GET the rights from companies. Historically, the company hasn't really worked that way. Third parties have to WANT to try to get their games released, which as I've pointed out many times before, has not been happening very much because Nintendo hasn't treated them well.

At this point, I believe it's more a lack of communication to blame for the dearth of releases than anything else. Third parties became dissatisfied with having to wait months for ready-to-go titles to actually be released by Nintendo, so they stopped bothering. Now that there aren't a ton of games in the queue, they could probably get their games released pretty quickly if they would only work with Nintendo to do so. I think they're being held back by memories of past circumstances that no longer exist.

Hope for the Wii VC is pretty much toast at this point. Now we need to rely on Nintendo handling the structure of the 3DS VC better than they did this one, so as to not discourage third party support once again. Nintendo is talking big talk about concentrating on third party support for the 3DS in general, and the showings at last year's E3 were impressively consistent with that stated plan. If that strategy can successfully extend into the digital realm, and IF they treat the VC fairly alongside 3DSWare, then the service can thrive, perhaps even to the point to revive the Wii VC due to overall increased retro gaming interest and business cooperation. Granted, that's a very long shot, and I recommend cautious optimism at best for the time being. No setting ourselves up for disappointment like we did with the Wii VC, mmkay?

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Token_Girl

610. Posted:

Stuffy has the right idea methinks. New releases will always have priority over retro ones, as well. Just something to keep in mind.

The vh also shows nintendo isn't abandoning it's retro stores completely. Hopefully, we'll continue to see th VC for years to come on future consoles. Trickling releases don't seem like the end of the world with that in mind.

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611. Posted:

Stuffy also has a good point when he says that Nintendo is waiting for third parties to come forward, rather than asking them. It's Nintendo's job to re-release these games, not Capcom's, Hudson's, etc. Think of Sonic the Hedgehog on the Genesis being released to the VC. It's nothing different from the Sonic Mega Collection. Sega approached Nintendo to re-release the game, and Nintendo agreed. Granted, the SMC was multiplatform, but Sega didn't have the hardware to re-release the game themselves.

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Bass_X0

612. Posted:

I don't know why companies release average games and bad games. There are many better Capcom shooters than Exed Exes they could have released instead. And I don't believe there are any Exed Exes fans out there either. Its not one of their better games.

Then they turn around and wonder why people don't download their games resulting in them releasing less games.

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FluttershyGuy

613. Posted:

Now what's this "No VC" thread doing so far down on page one? Time to bring it back to the top, where it belongs this week. NO VEE CEE FOR YOU! Maybe next week, the other two Capcom VCAs.

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CanisWolfred

614. Posted:

^I certainly hope we get those two arcade games.

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Stuffgamer1

615. Posted:

I couldn't care less if we get those two arcade games, outside of the "it's better than nothing at all" point, of course. I'm still waiting for Faxanadu.:|

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616. Posted:

Stuffgamer1 wrote:

I couldn't care less if we get those two arcade games, outside of the "it's better than nothing at all" point, of course. I'm still waiting for Faxanadu.:|

And I'm still waiting for Super Bonk. The general lack of enthusiasm and support of VC by Nintendo in general is bad enough, but when they can't even bothered to release a game in NA that they already released in UK, that's just too much for me too stomach... There's simply no excuse for that sort of nonsense.

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617. Posted:

I'm still waiting for Skate or Die.

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FluttershyGuy

618. Posted:

manleycartoonist wrote:

I'm still waiting for Skate or Die.

Me too! I have many a fun memory playing it at a friend's house back around 5th grade! Of course, right now I'd be happy for Konami to release ANYTHING, to show they still remember that VC exists.

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Bass_X0

619. Posted:

No complaining about this in America this week!

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Scottie

620. Posted:

Bass_X0 wrote:

No complaining about this in America this week!

Hope this game comes to Europe soon but we are still waiting for Mega Man X remember?!!

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