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marktheshark

41. Posted:

vio wrote:

Let me see how many I can name:
1. Mario Party
2. Mario Party 2
3. Mario Party 3
4. Cruis'n Exotica
5. Cruis'n World
6. Mario Tennis
7. Hey You! Pikachu!
8. Dr. Mario 64
9. Pokemon Stadium
10. Pokemon Stadium 2
11. Donkey Kong 64 (I don't want to hear "Well, it has the Jetpac game" or "Rare made it" excuse)
12. ExciteBike 64

Actually, it's a little more then that. If you know any third-party N64 games that don't require the Rumble Pak to save data, they are included.

What? There's gotta be more than that. What about these?

Turok 1-3
Extreme-G 1 & 2
Mega Man 64
Body Harvest
Whipeout 64
Shadow Man
Hydro Thunder
Command & Conquer
Doom 64
Quake 1 & 2
San Fransisco Rush
Rush 2: Extreme Racing USA
San Fransisco Rush 2049
Hexen
Mortal Kombat Trilogy
Bio F.R.E.A.K.S
Clayfighter 63 1/3
Road Rash 64
Forsaken 64
Gauntlet Legends
Mace: The Dark Age
Vigilante 8 & Vigilante 8: Second Offense
Top Gear Rally 1 & 2
Starcraft 64

Not to mention all the Star Wars games...

Turok 1-3 won't come anytime soon. The Starwars games might come, but not for a while. Everthing else probably will come though.

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42. Posted:

marktheshark wrote:

vio wrote:

Let me see how many I can name:
1. Mario Party
2. Mario Party 2
3. Mario Party 3
4. Cruis'n Exotica
5. Cruis'n World
6. Mario Tennis
7. Hey You! Pikachu!
8. Dr. Mario 64
9. Pokemon Stadium
10. Pokemon Stadium 2
11. Donkey Kong 64 (I don't want to hear "Well, it has the Jetpac game" or "Rare made it" excuse)
12. ExciteBike 64

Actually, it's a little more then that. If you know any third-party N64 games that don't require the Rumble Pak to save data, they are included.

What? There's gotta be more than that. What about these?

(My words are in bold, but most of these games may have more problem then you expected.)

Turok 1-3 (Likely owned by Touchstone Pictues, an non-supporting Virtual Console publisher)
Extreme-G 1 & 2 (Creator of game is defuncted)
Mega Man 64
Body Harvest (Unknown if Time Warner will let Midway release game in North America and the European publisher has defuncted)
Wipeout 64 (Even if Midway are allowed to support the Virtual Console, the series is owned by Sony, create another problem)
Shadow Man (Publisher of the game is defuncted, plus it's based off licensed property)
Hydro Thunder (Unknown if Time Warner will allow Midway to release there old games on the Virtual Console)
Command & Conquer
Doom 64 (Unknown if Time Warner will allow Midway to release there old games on the Virtual Console)
Quake 1 & 2 (The second one should be release, if it's published by Activision, but the first one is published by Midway. We'll have to wait and see if Time Warner allow Midway to release there games on the Virtual Console)
San Fransisco Rush (Unknown if Time Warner will allow Midway to release it on the Virtual Console)
Rush 2: Extreme Racing USA (Time will tell if Time Warner will allow Midway to release it on the Virtual Console)
San Fransisco Rush 2049 (Unknown if Time Warner will allow Midway to release it on the Virtual Console)
Hexen (iD Software shows no support for the Virtual Console yet)
Mortal Kombat Trilogy (Unknown if Time Warner will allow Midway to release it)
Bio F.R.E.A.K.S (Unknown if TIme Warner will allow Midway to release there games on the Virtual Console)
Clayfighter 63 1/3
Road Rash 64 (THQ has given no support to the Virtual Console)
Forsaken 64 (Creator of game defucted)
Gauntlet Legends (Unknown if Time Warner will allow Midway to release there games on the Virtual Console)
Mace: The Dark Age (Unknown if Time Warner will allow Midway to release there games on the Virtual Console)
Vigilante 8 & Vigilante 8: Second Offense
Top Gear Rally 1 & 2 (First game was published by Midway. They'll have to get Time Warner premission if we're ever going to see them. I don't even know if the publisher (Kemco) of the second game is still around)
Starcraft 64

Not to mention all the Star Wars games... (Has licensing issues)

Turok 1-3 won't come anytime soon. The Starwars games might come, but not for a while. Everthing else probably will come though.

Please read the words in bold. They are my respone. Also, do you know for sure that they have built-in saves that doesn't require the Controller Pak?

@vio: I did some research and I found out that the majority of games you listed had issues that could prevent them from being released on the Virtual Console anytime soon. In fact, out of your entire list, only these games stands a good chance of coming out this generation:

1. Mega Man 64
2. Command & Conquer
3. Clayfight 63 1/3
4. Vigilante 8
5. Vigilante 8: Second Offense
6. Starcraft 64

And maybe Top Gear Rally 2

Counting the 16 games we have on the Virtual Console, plus 15 possible games I mentioned in another thread, it would add up to 31. Add it by six and we have 37 games in total (Not including Top Gear Rally 2). The main reason for such an low amount is due to the fact that Midway might not be able to support the Virtual Console. If Kemco is indeed defunct, we'll have to cut out Top Gear Rally 2. You have to admit, it's a little better, but still humilating.

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Danny_August

43. Posted:

Edwin wrote:

weirdadam wrote:

I was just thinking about how many games I downloaded just because my favorite games weren't out yet

When you do this, Nintendo wins! We must not give in.

Since when are we in a battle with Nintendo? If you are so upset with Nintendo and their system, sell your system and buy a PS3 or Xbox360...Your post is nothing new, it is not profound, you are just whining...

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vio

44. Posted:

marktheshark wrote:

Turok 1-3 won't come anytime soon. The Starwars games might come, but not for a while. Everthing else probably will come though.

Why not? The Turok games are some of the more popular and respected games on the N64. It seems logical Acclaim or whoever owns the rights to the series now would want to get them up on VC as soon as possible.

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vio

45. Posted:

Super+Smash+Bros wrote:

[Counting the 16 games we have on the Virtual Console, plus 15 possible games I mentioned in another thread, it would add up to 31. Add it by six and we have 37 games in total (Not including Top Gear Rally 2). The main reason for such an low amount is due to the fact that Midway might not be able to support the Virtual Console. If Kemco is indeed defunct, we'll have to cut out Top Gear Rally 2. You have to admit, it's a little better, but still humilating.

Ok, I don't know about the others, but there's no way Rare owns the rights to Turok. The last Turok game was published by Disney, so it's likely them who owns the rights to it now.

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JTC-Pingas

46. Posted:

Do you really have to insult people Danny August?

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astarisborn94

47. Posted:

vio wrote:

Super+Smash+Bros wrote:

[Counting the 16 games we have on the Virtual Console, plus 15 possible games I mentioned in another thread, it would add up to 31. Add it by six and we have 37 games in total (Not including Top Gear Rally 2). The main reason for such an low amount is due to the fact that Midway might not be able to support the Virtual Console. If Kemco is indeed defunct, we'll have to cut out Top Gear Rally 2. You have to admit, it's a little better, but still humilating.

Ok, I don't know about the others, but there's no way Rare owns the rights to Turok. The last Turok game was published by Disney, so it's likely them who owns the rights to it now.

Actually, the last Turok game was published by Touchstone Pictures for the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 and Capcom for the PC. It's either Touchstone or Capcom who currently owns the license to the games, but if it does turn out to be Touchstone, we have an game under licensing hell.

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vio

48. Posted:

Super+Smash+Bros wrote:

Actually, the last Turok game was published by Touchstone Pictures for the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 and Capcom for the PC. It's either Touchstone or Capcom who currently owns the license to the games, but if it does turn out to be Touchstone, we have an game under licensing hell.

cough Touchstone IS Disney. From Wikipedia:

Turok
Main article: Turok (video game)
"Turok is the latest installment in the first-person shooter Turok video games series based on Acclaim Entertainment's comic series under the same name. The game was scheduled to be released in North America for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on February 5, 2008, however, it was instead released on January 31. It was released on April 22, 2008 for the PC.[citation needed] Turok was developed by Propaganda Games and published and distributed by Disney Interactive Studios under the Touchstone banner in North America, Ireland and United Kingdom and by Capcom in all other territories."

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vio

49. Posted:

I almost forgot about Castlevania 64 and/or Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness. Either one of those is a strong possibility as well.

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astarisborn94

50. Posted:

vio wrote:

Super+Smash+Bros wrote:

Actually, the last Turok game was published by Touchstone Pictures for the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 and Capcom for the PC. It's either Touchstone or Capcom who currently owns the license to the games, but if it does turn out to be Touchstone, we have an game under licensing hell.

cough Touchstone IS Disney. From Wikipedia:

Turok
Main article: Turok (video game)
"Turok is the latest installment in the first-person shooter Turok video games series based on Acclaim Entertainment's comic series under the same name. The game was scheduled to be released in North America for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on February 5, 2008, however, it was instead released on January 31. It was released on April 22, 2008 for the PC.[citation needed] Turok was developed by Propaganda Games and published and distributed by Disney Interactive Studios under the Touchstone banner in North America, Ireland and United Kingdom and by Capcom in all other territories."

Your right, but it's the adult side of Disney. Which makes me wonder, why would Disney publish an M rated game?

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dizzy_boy

51. Posted:

i really think it`s bad buisness practice from nintendo to release VC games at such a slow rate. especially as they could put the extra cash towards developing new games, and it would help keep third party publishers and developers going aswell.
there`s 7 consoles and the old arcade games, all of which have a huge back catalouge, i would like to think each platform would get at least 3 or 4 games out every month.
i understand that there may be issues with licencing, and some companies not being around any more, but surely it`s not the excuse to not bring out the games that can get the go ahead.
also, nintendo need to realise that not everybody can afford to buy/or want to buy new retail games all of the time, and that the VC and WW services at times are a better option.
the other problem is down to the publishers with which games they`re willing to release on to the VC aswell. so it may not be all nintendo`s fault.

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52. Posted:

my_point_is wrote:

i really think it`s bad buisness practice from nintendo to release VC games at such a slow rate. especially as they could put the extra cash towards developing new games, and it would help keep third party publishers and developers going aswell.
there`s 7 consoles and the old arcade games, all of which have a huge back catalouge, i would like to think each platform would get at least 3 or 4 games out every month.
i understand that there may be issues with licencing, and some companies not being around any more, but surely it`s not the excuse to not bring out the games that can get the go ahead.
also, nintendo need to realise that not everybody can afford to buy/or want to buy new retail games all of the time, and that the VC and WW services at times are a better option.
the other problem is down to the publishers with which games they`re willing to release on to the VC aswell. so it may not be all nintendo`s fault.

I agree 100%. There's really no excuse for the draught of games. Putting games on VC is PURE profit. There's no development or production costs associated with these games. They're just uploading rom files. And any 3rd party out there who's stil in business has no excuse to not be placing ALL of their quality titles on VC at a rapid pace. I'm looking at you Capcom and Konami.

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Adam

53. Posted:

From a business perspective, I think maybe they've given us too many games. We don't have a lot of first-party games left to look forward to. Super Mario Kart and Smash Brothers 64 are the big guns, I think, and both have already been out in Japan, and at least one is coming to the West soon. I'd guess both by the year's end.

What else do we have? Earthbound, despite Iwata pinky swearing otherwise, looks unlikely. The only others I can think of that don't have technical or legal issues are Star Fox and Yoshi's Island. What else am I missing? I'm just talking first-party here.

I don't think Nintendo is interested in running a third-party-only VC, and fans are going to hate them if they hold back on Yoshi's Island forever just so that we have something of Nintendo's to look forward to.

So my guess is that the Virtual Console will cease to be updated after next year, which should feature the last of Nintendo's missing first-party titles, and then they will shift focus to WiiWare. They may even be waiting for this moment to open the DSi VC so that it isn't completely closed. Who knows.

Honestly, I'd love to see it done with. I'm not really a fan of waiting every week in hope of a giant surprise that will likely not arrive, and while I hope to see Earthbound on Wii someday, I'd rather official confirmation that it isn't coming than waiting for nothing. Plus, it'd allow more WiiWare games to be released per week. With all the potentially awesome games in development for the service right now, that would be great news to me.

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SepticLemon

54. Posted:

Face palm to Clay Fighter 63 1/3

Second worst N64 game...

Anyways, I'm fine with the VC, there's enough games on it, heck there's more VC and WiiWare titles combined than there's XBLA games...

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vio

55. Posted:

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I don't think Nintendo is interested in running a third-party-only VC, and fans are going to hate them if they hold back on Yoshi's Island forever just so that we have something of Nintendo's to look forward to.

So my guess is that the Virtual Console will cease to be updated after next year, which should feature the last of Nintendo's missing first-party titles, and then they will shift focus to WiiWare. They may even be waiting for this moment to open the DSi VC so that it isn't completely closed. Who knows.

God, I hope that's not the case. I always assumed Virtual Console was to be an ongoing thing that would continue with future Nintendo consoles. Frankly, I don't really care much about the First Party titles anymore. Most people have already played Nintendo's First Party titles to death. Although getting the never officially released Star Fox 2 would be admitedly awesome. But I'm mostly interested in all the numerous quality 3rd party titles out there, many of which I've never had a chance to play before.

And I'm sorry, but WiiWare f'ing sucks. I really don't understand Nintendo's love affair with it.

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Adam

56. Posted:

Download Swords and Soldiers, Bit Trip Beat, or Mega Man 9, and you will understand. Or wait for Cave Story; whatever you prefer.

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57. Posted:

I can give you three reasons I'm happy with VC:
1. Paperboy
2. Contra
3. Base Wars
oh cough cough they haven't been released yet cough cough spit hack.

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58. Posted:

vio wrote:

There's no development or production costs associated with these games. They're just uploading rom files.

Well, that's not strictly true, they do need to ensure the emulation and controls work right and the visuals are good; it's not like someone sitting in his basement whipping up a free emulator and then ignoring individual game issues due to bugs, though there's clearly less work involved than creating the game from the ground up.

And there is good WiiWare; it's exciting because it's new content you can get without buying packaged media and in some cases is as good or better than a lot of that.

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marktheshark

59. Posted:

weirdadam wrote:

From a business perspective, I think maybe they've given us too many games. We don't have a lot of first-party games left to look forward to. Super Mario Kart and Smash Brothers 64 are the big guns, I think, and both have already been out in Japan, and at least one is coming to the West soon. I'd guess both by the year's end.

What else do we have? Earthbound, despite Iwata pinky swearing otherwise, looks unlikely. The only others I can think of that don't have technical or legal issues are Star Fox and Yoshi's Island. What else am I missing? I'm just talking first-party here.

I don't think Nintendo is interested in running a third-party-only VC, and fans are going to hate them if they hold back on Yoshi's Island forever just so that we have something of Nintendo's to look forward to.

So my guess is that the Virtual Console will cease to be updated after next year, which should feature the last of Nintendo's missing first-party titles, and then they will shift focus to WiiWare. They may even be waiting for this moment to open the DSi VC so that it isn't completely closed. Who knows.

Honestly, I'd love to see it done with. I'm not really a fan of waiting every week in hope of a giant surprise that will likely not arrive, and while I hope to see Earthbound on Wii someday, I'd rather official confirmation that it isn't coming than waiting for nothing. Plus, it'd allow more WiiWare games to be released per week. With all the potentially awesome games in development for the service right now, that would be great news to me.

Why would they risk losing the 3rd party developers that had supported the VC?

If anything, doesn't Nintendo get most of the profits from the Wii Points cards rather than their games they put up on VC?

My backloggery.

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Adam

60. Posted:

The money for those points goes to whatever game they are spent on, obviously.

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