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madgear

I'm wondering what the situation is with the Doom titles. Has ID Software released anything on a Nintendo platform lately? We have had a couple of Doom titles on Nintendo machines in the past - the SNES port was fairly impressive considering the machine it was running on and then there was the N64 version.

Doom has always been a favourite of mine and it'd be nice to get some old school FPS action on the VC.

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sykotek

@madgear: Its not VC, but in case you have a 360, Doom and Doom II has been released on XBLA in case you have an Xbox(also Wolfenstein 3D, Duke Nukem 3D, Perfect Dark, Portal, Call of Duty 1, etc).

I do wonder how Doom would work on the Wii using the Wiimote to aim though it might be too old a game to work well with that control scheme.

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madgear

I wasn't thinking Wii remote - being on the VC on N64 or SNES they'd use the GameCube/Classic controller.

No I don't have a 360 but I have all the Doom games on my PC but wouldn't mind a version on the Wii too so I can play it on my TV. VC would be great - not the best versions of Doom but they'd do me fine.

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sykotek

@madgear: I understand you were talking about VC, I was just telling you that they were on XBLA just in case you had a 360 since they're not on VC. I also know that there is no enhanced controls on VC, but was just wondering how Doom would play with a Wii Remote and Nunchuk combo, you know, just in case they remade it for WiiWare or something. It wouldn't work well though I think.

Anyways, I looked up some information, Doom 64 was released by Midway, so that probably won't surface on VC since Midway is gone and whoever owns the Midway rights would need to go through id and possibly another publisher(I think Bethesda) to agree meaning less money for everyone involved(no motivation). Doom for SNES was released by Williams which was absorbed by Midway way back in the 90s, so yea, same problem really, I wouldn't hold my breath on either being released on VC.

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Sisilly_G

I think they'd be a perfect fit for the DS. ID could easily fit all of the original games onto a single cart (Ultimate Doom / Doom II / Final Doom) and offer Wi-Fi play, and hell, they could even pull off single cart multiplayer considering the age of the material (if Metroid Prime Hunters can provide single cart multiplayer, then there's no reason why Doom can't).

Of course, I can play Doom via homebrew, however I wouldn't mind forking over the dough for a hard copy that's been tailored for the DS.

There's a possibility that the SNES and N64 ports of Doom could eventually surface on VC, but I'd doubt it as neither of the ports were particularly popular, and I'm sure that most Doom fans would prefer the game in its original form on PC. Still, it would be nice to have the option though.

If nothing else, a port of Doom 3 for the Wii would be mighty sweet.

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KingMike

Doom for SNES used a Super FX chip, which apparently is another problem.

Another thing I've wondered about that, supposedly Doom had a XBand-exclusive multiplayer mode. Anybody know if it that was true, or if it was just something planned during development?
(others have said WeaponLord was the only SNES game released with XBand support built-in)

Though the fact Wolfenstein hasn't been released either might be a sign. (I know it was published by dead company Imagineer, but ID must still have the rights to it, since they reportedly gave Wisdom Tree permission to release the unlicensed hack game Super Noah's Ark.

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madgear

I doubt the Super FX chip is a propblem in a game not appearing on the VC. Just because we haven't had Starwing or Yoshi's Island yet doesn't mean it's because they can't be done. I can play Super FX games on my phone - so I'm sure the Wii, with Nintendo's own programmers, can do it.

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sykotek

I'm real rusty when it comes to this subject, but didn't they release Street Fighter Alpha 2 on VC...(I can't remember), didn't that have an extra chip in it when it was released for the SNES?

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J_K

Let's see...
DOOM, DOOM 2, DOOM64, and SF Alpha 2.

DOOM is GBA is a port of the Jaguar game, so it is missing a few stages but it's a still pretty solid title very worth having. DOOM on the SNES is mostly PC accurate, but has a lot of cut corners (1 angle of view on monsters) and like 4 stages missing, other little limits of the FX2 vs the SNES hardware limits. DOOM2 on the GBA is essentially PC perfect, except due to memory limits one stage was cut into 2 due to size...I own this one still and it's awesome (still have DOOM SNES too.) DOOM64 I also have, a very good game, usually mistaken as DOOM ported to 64, it's not, it's new, missing a few DOOM 2 creatures, but it finishes missing bits of the DOOM Bible such as a super demon at the end and 3 parts of a cannon you need to find in stages to build the weapon to waste it -- a quality game but very dark beyond reason so up the contrast/brightness. DOOM though could be possible, for what was not given out (old arcade game rights) to others, when Midway folded Warner Home Entertainment or whatever they're calling themselves now bought it out and they're making that new Mortal Kombat game in the classic style for next year, so there could be a small chance on them but slim.

SFAlpha2 I also have, it is a SDD1 game as blackdragon said. Essentially that game uses a massive compression chip in order to be able to store all the audio and textures beyond the limits of the memory the SNES has on its own. Due to this, there's like 1sec lag between various screens where it sticks, the worst is a 4sec pause from ready-set-'FIGHT!' where it sticks, unloads all the gfx/audio and then it plays. Despite all this, it's known to be a better version of the game than PSX got humorously enough, but the Saturn version was tops in the day. Few games used it, and they were Japanese.

Speaking of other stuff you probably want and should kiss off -- Megaman X2 and X3, they use a C4 chip that did higher levels of math and polygonal wireframe stuff so I just doubt that'll get emulated too in the VC.

The one big chip I know that has been emulated is the SA-1 chip, it's like a second SNES main CPU, but also has a bit of storage to the chip too as anti-piracy as 1/4 of a game is stored or swapped(forget which) to it to keep grubby jerkoffs from stealing, and it took a long time to run by other means too -- and that game is Super Mario RPG which IS on the virtual console. Due to this you can also eventually expect to see stuff like Kirby's Dreamland 3 which is a fine game.

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NeoShinobi

It would be kinda neat to see Doom on the VC. But I think I'll just stick with my Playstation copy. It's the best version of Doom you can get on a console anyways.

Besides, can they even release any M-rated games on the VC? I honestly can't think of any that are on there.

.... or something like that.

vio

NeoShinobi wrote:

Besides, can they even release any M-rated games on the VC? I honestly can't think of any that are on there.

Uhm, why couldn't they? There's no law in any country that VC is available in that prevents it. Besides, I don't think Doom is technically rated "M" since it was created before the ratings system was put in place.

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CanisWolfred

DOOOOOOOOOOOOM is great. I got Doom 1 and 2 on the Xbox 360. Some of the best on there, IMO. I hope they release Doom 64 on the VC, I hear from my friend that its pretty great. I can't wait for DOOM 4!<3

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NeoShinobi

vio wrote:

NeoShinobi wrote:

Besides, can they even release any M-rated games on the VC? I honestly can't think of any that are on there.

Uhm, why couldn't they? There's no law in any country that VC is available in that prevents it. Besides, I don't think Doom is technically rated "M" since it was created before the ratings system was put in place.

All games need an ESRB rating before Nintendo can distribute them ( thats how it is in the US atleast). Even games that already have an ESRB rating (like N64 games) need an updated, newer rating. So obviously, Doom would be given an M-rating. Its not like its against the law to distribute M-rated games. I just think Nintendo has been reluctant to release them, or push to release them.

@theblackdragon: I forgot about Splatterhouse 2, but I guess thats the only one.

.... or something like that.

brooks83

I'm debating on whether to get Xbox 360 or PS3, and the fact that I can download Doom 1 & 2 on XBLA is one of the factors that has me leaning towards getting a 360. But then again I could play Doom on the PS1 (which is a great version of it). Decisions, decisions As for the VC, I would like to see Doom 64, but SNES Doom isn't worth 8 bucks.

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J_K

To put the debate to an end I just checked my DOOM cart, it IS rated, ESRB no less, as M-Mature. The game came out I believe in 1995 and the system was in its early days when DOOM popped up so it's probably one of the first of the M games released under it I imagine.

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KingMike

NeoShinobi wrote:

All games need an ESRB rating before Nintendo can distribute them ( thats how it is in the US atleast). Even games that already have an ESRB rating (like N64 games) need an updated, newer rating. So obviously, Doom would be given an M-rating. Its not like its against the law to distribute M-rated games. I just think Nintendo has been reluctant to release them, or push to release them.

Having an ESRB rating isn't a law, but the Wii Parental Controls require every game to have a rating.
(I know the Sunsoft re-releases of the GB "Final Fantasy" games came out unrated in 1998, long after the ESRB was established.)
I guess it isn't as much that Doom really needs to be re-rated, but that the ESRB rating is a trademark, so whoever uses it needs permission (and I guess the only way to that is to have rerated).

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Battista

KingMike wrote:

Though the fact Wolfenstein hasn't been released either might be a sign. (I know it was published by dead company Imagineer, but ID must still have the rights to it, since they reportedly gave Wisdom Tree permission to release the unlicensed hack game Super Noah's Ark.

I was just about to say, there's always hope for Super Noah's Ark

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vio

NeoShinobi wrote:

vio wrote:

NeoShinobi wrote:

Besides, can they even release any M-rated games on the VC? I honestly can't think of any that are on there.

Uhm, why couldn't they? There's no law in any country that VC is available in that prevents it. Besides, I don't think Doom is technically rated "M" since it was created before the ratings system was put in place.

All games need an ESRB rating before Nintendo can distribute them ( thats how it is in the US atleast). Even games that already have an ESRB rating (like N64 games) need an updated, newer rating. So obviously, Doom would be given an M-rating. Its not like its against the law to distribute M-rated games. I just think Nintendo has been reluctant to release them, or push to release them.

@theblackdragon: I forgot about Splatterhouse 2, but I guess thats the only one.

Oh, I see, Thanks for the info.

Speaking of Splatterhouse, where the hell is 3? I'm beginning to have my doubts that it's ever going to see a VC release. Pretty sad too considering it's arguably the best in the trilogy.

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