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Topic: Why were kids in the 80s so good at playing games while kids today are so poor?

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It goes both ways. Some older players I've seen are super good at all the old games, but aren't very good or are unable to understand all the newer ones. It's just a matter of what people are used to, I think.

There needs to be a balance of difficulty, because I do think there are some games that are not fair to the player. You could sit there and "twitch" your way through a level, but if that sort of "twitch" gaming is required to play the game, and not just learn it, most people will not like it.

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bezerker99 wrote:

brewsky wrote:

bezerker99 wrote:

As a person who experienced every single second of the 80's, here's my take on this situation.

Gamers from the early 80's went to arcades and pumped quarters into games and played them. To make money, these arcade cabinets needed to have games that were challenging so that the quarters would continue to be chucked into them. I can't imagine an owner of an arcade game making make much profit if the game could be completed with just one quarter.

Around the mid-80's, Nintendo released the NES. The people Nintendo were looking for with the NES were those exact same gamers who were throwing quarters away on arcade games. It's no surprise that a lot of early NES games were loose ports of arcade titles (ie: Ghosts 'n Goblins, Burgertime, Donkey Kong, DK Jr., Dig-Dug, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, Gauntlet, Elevator Action, Rampage, Popeye, Joust, Rygar, Tecmo Bowl....the list goes on and on).

It also was apparent, whether intentional or because of hardware limitations (probably a little bit of both), that the "challenge" from arcades had also been implemented on home consoles (especially the NES).

There wasn't any such thing as a fairly easy game from the 80's. I believe it all started with arcades.

I was about to say almost the same exact thing, but with a different take. I think part of it was because game developers were so used to developing games designed to suck quarters away from customers that when consoles like the NES came out, they still developed with that mind set. it wasn't until the SNES era where they got more accustomed to developing games solely for the purpose of home entertainment.

Yes!! You said what I was trying to say! :)

Expanding on this a bit, the hardness of the arcade games of the day (by design to suck your quarters) forced us to get better at hard games. When you were lucky to have $5 in your pocket to get a Big Gulp, maybe a couple comic books, and then the rest for games, you damn sure wanted to make each and every quarter last as long as possible. You HAD to get good, or you just wouldn't get to play at all.

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because more "gamers" these days spend more time crying online about games more then they play them. thus, less playing, less practice more sucking, back online to cry about games being too hard, virtual console. getting said virtual console games, sucking at it by spending more time online crying about wanting more games . poser gamers really. wasting their money

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43. Posted:

ITT: 30+ year olds bragging about how much cooler they are at video games.

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CaviarMeths wrote:

ITT: 30+ year olds bragging about how much cooler they are at video games.

I'm not even close to being 30 and I can brag about how much cooler I am at videogames :P

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Regarding long load times.... Anyone who's ever played Sid Meier's Pirates! on Commodore 64 has already had a crash course in patience. Those were some pretty attrocious loading times.

But we just didn't care. Heck, California Games took a little while to load on that machine.

GOOD TIMES!!! :)

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bezerker99 wrote:

Regarding long load times.... Anyone who's ever played Sid Meier's Pirates! on Commodore 64 has already had a crash course in patience. Those were some pretty attrocious loading times.

But we just didn't care. Heck, California Games took a little while to load on that machine.

GOOD TIMES!!! :)

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Here's the truth, we all "sucked" at video games in the 80's. I know it, you know it, your mom that had to force you to go to bed because you were stuck on Ninja Gaiden level 6-2 and you wouldn't quit knows it. Don't lie, outside of help from cheat codes, Nintendo Power, and the rip-off hotline we took forever to beat games if we ever beat them at all.

agree with both of these handsome chaps. so basically what ryno is saying is, even yer mom knew you sucked at video games :D
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As @ogo79 said, the SNS-RZ-USA is a prime giveaway that it's not a legit retail cart.
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Ryno wrote:

Here's the truth, we all "sucked" at video games in the 80's. I know it, you know it, your mom that had to force you to go to bed because you were stuck on Ninja Gaiden level 6-2 and you wouldn't quit knows it. Don't lie, outside of help from cheat codes, Nintendo Power, and the rip-off hotline we took forever to beat games if we ever beat them at all.

So_much_truth. I still can't beat that last level of Ninja Gaiden!
frickin' eagles /me shakesfist in rage

Also, hai @the_shpydar and @ogo79 :*

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@bezerker99
woooooooooooooooooooooo brother...woooooooooooooooooooooo

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As @ogo79 said, the SNS-RZ-USA is a prime giveaway that it's not a legit retail cart.
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49. Posted:

[insert rant on why my generation is the truly best generation here]

Number 2? Says who? >=o]

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50. Posted:

Nintendo should host a Battle of the Generations similar to the competition on The Wizard or NES World Championships and settle this debate once and for all.

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I like how older players are bashing modern kids without remembering that things like instant walkthroughs or handholding exist because of them, not because of 7 years old children.

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I don't think there's a "best" generation, and I consider it ridiculous that adults feel the need to rant about younger kids not being as good at Castlevania as they were after playing it 389 times and reading Nintendo Power in the '80s. What it really comes down to is taste, I think. I was born in 1995, so I kinda missed the "EVERYTHING IS SO DIFFICULT WE'RE NOW SUPERIOR TO EVERYONE FOR PLAYING MEGAMAN 5 IN ITS PRIME" group, thankfully. But that also means I've been able to see what people are actually like when it comes to gaming nowadays. Essentially, it comes down to choice and individual taste. I love all sorts of games, but platformers are my personal favorite genre. Everything from Castlevania (FINALLY beat that last year) to Tropical Freeze. My younger brother likes RPG and strategy games, so he plays Dragon Quest and has stolen my copy of Fire Emblem to play on the harder difficulty levels. The other loves exploring and plays things like Pokemon for the adventure aspect.

By making the criteria for this "How good are kids now at games from the 1980s compared to kids from the 1980s?" it pretty much guarantees that the kids who grew up with those games will win. Since there's really no criteria for this that works, I'd have to consider it a draw. (Unless we can bring people's 10 year old selves back from the past for a contest involving games from the '80s to the present with modern kids)

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53. Posted:

Ryno wrote:

Nintendo should host a Battle of the Generations similar to the competition on The Wizard or NES World Championships and settle this debate once and for all.

Looks like Nintendo is doing something on Miiverse. I just saw this.

EDIT: I now have read what the first challenge is and this must be a joke. Moving along.....

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Ryno wrote:

Nintendo should host a Battle of the Generations similar to the competition on The Wizard or NES World Championships and settle this debate once and for all.

Except the kids from the 80s aren't kids anymore, and they'll have 20 years of experience on the younger ones. We would need time travel to make it fair.

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Ryno wrote:

Here's the truth, we all "sucked" at video games in the 80's. I know it, you know it, your mom that had to force you to go to bed because you were stuck on Ninja Gaiden level 6-2 and you wouldn't quit knows it. Don't lie, outside of help from cheat codes, Nintendo Power, and the rip-off hotline we took forever to beat games if we ever beat them at all.

Took forever I don't think is a problem. (If I am loving playing something I want it to last as long as possible).

There is games I finished when I was younger that I don't think I could now. (And things I did I would never have the patience for). I never used a cheat until after the 8 bit generation. (Level Select on Sonic for the Megadrive was the first so I didn't have to start at the beginning each time).

I never started good at any of them but I got good by lots of practice.

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Because kids of the 2000s don't know what patience is.

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80's Kids: If it wasn't in the 80's, it just sucked balls.

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We werent better. Just more patient.

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bezerker99 wrote:

Ryno wrote:

Here's the truth, we all "sucked" at video games in the 80's. I know it, you know it, your mom that had to force you to go to bed because you were stuck on Ninja Gaiden level 6-2 and you wouldn't quit knows it. Don't lie, outside of help from cheat codes, Nintendo Power, and the rip-off hotline we took forever to beat games if we ever beat them at all.

So_much_truth. I still can't beat that last level of Ninja Gaiden!
frickin' eagles /me shakesfist in rage

Also, hai @the_shpydar and @ogo79 :*

Tisk Tisk, I've beaten all 3 NES-gaidens. No easy feat, you're in for a treat! But when you're an avid watcher of GamePro TV and do ecto cooler juice pack thumb lifting for a living, it just comes natural. ;) The truth is, the simplicity and linear nature of the majority of Commodre 64(I was heavy into that G.I.J.O.E), Atari 2600 & NES games gave us that funky-man drive to smash through each cart we could get our crusty turtle mits on. Practice made perfect. But these days, it's so easy to be distracted.....

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The overwhelming amount of buttons on these bloody controllers can make a lot of these games feel a little overwhelming, the ability to check online for a cheat code within seconds, the ability to go online and complain how hard the game is, when you COULD be spending that time getting better at the game ect ect. Kids these days were born into a 'hand holding' age. Back then, you turned the game on, pressed start and you were on your own. Now there's an overabundance of tutorials, hand holding and check points every 5 minutes.

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