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MarioLover92

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RedderRugfish

I bought a few N64 games today. Ridge Racer 64, Killer Instinct Gold, Dr Mario 64, and Magical Tetris Challenge. Ridge Racer 64 really surprised me, I'm surprised no one ever talks about it. Best $2 I've spent in a while.

Also bought my first ever Rumble Pak. I regret never getting one until now, the rumble features in many games are great. Playing F Zero X with it makes me feel like I'm actually blasting off in a hovercraft.

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gcunit

I'm thinking of picking up a used 64. Anything I should look out for in terms of typical issues that should be avoided? Whenever I see official Nintendo N64 controllers they appear in good nick with no wear on the thumbstick. How does the thumbstick performance hold up? I'm led to believe they get 'looser' with use, but is that a problem or just something you get used to?

Thanks.

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1UP_MARIO

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you can get them really cheap on eBay but go for a jap ntsc n64 as the games are way cheaper also they run better with no black borders. It’s also quite easy to just replace the sticks on the controller. The gamecube stick mod is great for most games but terrible for games like golden eye. It’s a great system, and for me it’s the best looking Nintendo system
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RedderRugfish

@gcunit There aren't really any common issues to look out for, other than making sure it has a jumper pak or expansion pak installed above the controller ports. As long as the console and games are clean (which is very easy to do if they're not), there's very little chance of issues.

Controllers are a bit trickier. An N64 thumbstick in great shape is amazing, but they gradually get worn out over time. They don't feel as good when worn out, but unless it's really badly worn it'll still be usable. It's hard to tell just from pictures if it's worn or not, usually ebay sellers put "tight stick" if it's good. If you have a retro game store in the area, many of them will let you try it for yourself.

Also, they're about a month away still, but Retro Bit is working on releasing the N64 Tribute Controllers, which seem to be very close replicas to the rare Hori Pad Minis, a legendary N64 controller that has a stick similar to the Gamecube controller. Definitely worth looking in to, I plan on buying one if reviews are good.

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RedderRugfish

@1UP_MARIO Those replacement sticks are okay, but they aren't great for games like Goldeneye that take a lot of precision and games like Smash Bros where you quickly tap the joystick.

Also, Japanese N64s are cheaper, but they're region locked. Playing American games on a Japanese N64 is as simple as cutting a little bit of plastic out of the cartridge slot to they'll fit, but I don't know if PAL games are easy to get running without a modchip or a $50 adapter.

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1UP_MARIO

@ReaderRagfihs terrible for golden eye but works great for smash.
For us in the uk jap n64 works great and even our uk n64 power plugs work. I still own my original pal n64 which runs mario 64 25fps with borders. Ntsc n64s are the way to go if your starting out new. Pal we were stuck at 50hz

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1UP_MARIO

To get the best experience from the Nintendo 64 is to play it on the tube TVs even composite looks great/rgb is the best but needs modding.

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1UP_MARIO

ReaderRagfihs wrote:

Also bought my first ever Rumble Pak. I regret never getting one until now, the rumble features in many games are great. Playing F Zero X with it makes me feel like I'm actually blasting off in a hovercraft.

And now I wanna get one. Never tried rumble on the 64

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Vinny

The last N64 game I've played was Chameleon Twist, a pretty simple platformer.
Haven't gotten around playing Pilotwings 64 yet.

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RedderRugfish

1UP_MARIO wrote:

To get the best experience from the Nintendo 64 is to play it on the tube TVs even composite looks great/rgb is the best but needs modding.

Agreed. It's still playable on modern televisions but it looks fuzzier and might have more lag.

I highly recommend the Rumble Pak for all N64 owners. Some games just give you a jolt when you take damage, but some are much better.
F Zero X lightly rumbles the whole race, but gradually rumbles harder when turning: the sharper the turn, the stronger the rumble. Same thing when going up inclines, slight inclines make it rumble a little harder, steep inclines rumble even more. And it rumbles very hard when boosting or hitting a wall. All this combined with the very fast and smooth racing makes it exhilarating to play. I'd finish a race and just go "Wow".

@Vinny I was actually playing Pilotwings 64 a few days ago. It's pretty fun.

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kkslider5552000

N64 is the most dated console that actually still holds up. That's my assumption anyway, because other consoles that have mostly games that feel dated are either obscure/irrelevant or the NES (which in hindsight is filled with mediocre and unfair games between the games that get re-released 500 times). But the N64 is such this weird era of gaming where the weird directions games took to try to be 3D either almost immediately work or were novel concepts because people figured out how to 3D by the end of the generation and thus abandoned half the ideas that could work if done anytime after the N64. That's not entirely true, but that's kinda how I look at the N64 in hindsight when 3D gaming nowadays has almost nothing to do with any games from this era, outside of games intentionally going back to this style for nostalgia (most of which only came out in the past 2 years). It's been kinda interesting and sad to see how long it's taken for even Mario and Crash to look back at this era of gaming for inspiration.

I will say though, as someone who grew up with it and also played it somewhat regularly through the next 2 console generations, I missed out on quite a number of its major titles. I either played them once or never. Stuff like Goldeneye/Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Blast Corps, Excitebike 64, F Zero X, Beetle Adventure Racing, the non-podracing Star Wars games among other things. And yet somehow I have played Quest 64 multiple times. Weird.

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SamusLv7

@MarioLover92 I have heard the name Panel de Pon when I checked the lip's stick item trophy from Smash Melee back in 2002-2003 (when I got the Game Cube), but I never knew that this was the first game of all the puzzle league games. I would like that Nintendo one day make a Pokemon Puzzle League Johto region with new puzzles and ideas. When I played GBA Puzzle League, I find that the puzzles were the same as the ones in Pokemon Puzzle League, which was a wasted opportunity, given how good this games are.

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SamusLv7

kkslider5552000 wrote:

I will say though, as someone who grew up with it and also played it somewhat regularly through the next 2 console generations, I missed out on quite a number of its major titles. I either played them once or never. Stuff like Goldeneye/Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Blast Corps, Excitebike 64, F Zero X, Beetle Adventure Racing, the non-podracing Star Wars games among other things. And yet somehow I have played Quest 64 multiple times. Weird.

@kkslider5552000 I know that feeling. I regret not trying BK and BK2 when they were available to rent in my local video. I, in my kid mind was always very picky (back then) when it comes to to trying new things. I always stick with what I knew. In fact, I would have never played Ocarina of Time, if my parents didn't have asked me to exchange my Megaman 64 game for a Zelda Ocarina of Time that one of my cousins had. And boy how GLAD I am to have made that exchange. I had a blast with that game and it introduced me to the Zelda franchise, at least the 3D ones as I wasn't interested in in the 2D ones until A Link Between Worlds.

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RedderRugfish

Found what seems to be a good method for repairing a stick. Unfortunately, the video explaining it is unnecessarily long winded. Skip to about 14:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETQhlSXIsR0

Basically, he cuts off pieces of an old pen and drills a hole for the stick to sit on above the gear, preventing the stick from sinking in and getting loose. I tried it out a while ago but my drill wasn't sharp enough. I took an old worn out controller and moved the stick around while pulling it up to keep it from sinking in, and it felt brand new. So I'm confident that this would work perfectly.

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Octane

@gcunit There are a bunch of exclusive games that never made it to Europe. I have a PAL system, and there's a few games I can't play because of it. There's a weird adapter I believe, but getting one is either difficult or very expensive; but maybe there are cheap alternatives available. Anyway, just make sure you're not looking for a game that isn't available in Europe.

Other than that... If you care about save data, it's worth looking into how games are saved, because there's no standardised save system. Some require a Controller Pak, others use on cart batteries (which you'll probably need to replace yourself at this point, but don't worry, tinkering with an N64 is super easy); most games come with their own little flash memory built in it, so you don't need to worry about anything; but Ocarina of Time for example requires a battery.

@Vinny Chameleon Twist, the original battle royale!

@ReaderRagfihs The GameCube replacement stick seems an easier solution though. I think I've also seen N64 sticks being sold separately. I'll look into it, because I'd like to replace mine as well. I tried everything from grease to cleaning; but it's still a bit too loose for my tastes. Getting a GameCube stick seems to be the more permanent solution.

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RedderRugfish

@Octane The problem with Gamecube sticks is that they're more sensitive than N64 sticks. Not a problem for all games/people, but it's not the end all be all solution. This was also a problem with some Wii Virtual Console games with Gamecube controller. Also, while grease and cleaning won't actually improve a stick, it'll keep it from getting worse if done to a good condition stick.

On the topic of memory cards and battery saving, here's a list of which games use each save type http://www.micro-64.com/database/gamesave.shtml
Though some games like Wave Race 64 and Diddy Kong Racing let you copy your save to the memory card, so some are on multiple lists.

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gcunit

Thanks for your input everyone. I had my eye on a particular listing that's been sold now, so I'm putting the idea on hold until I find a particularly tempting package.

As I've got Rare Replay on XB1, Goldeneye on Wii, plus OoT, Majora's, and Star Fox 64 on 3DS, there's only really a few N64 games that I feel I need to experience, so not in a major rush.

Edit: And now I see Turok is coming to Switch so that's another game I needn't worry about on N64.

Honestly, the one game that's really on my mind is Diddy Kong Racing. What am I losing out on if I just go for the DS version?

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RedderRugfish

@gcunit I've played both. The DS one is decent, but the biggest issue is that the controls are just not as good. Besides that, there are a mix of good ideas and bad ideas. Using the stylus to draw custom tracks was great, but blowing into the microphone to get a turbo start at the beginning of every race sucked. Decent game, but can't hold a candle to the original.

The N64 ports in Rare Replay are quite faithful, and the 3DS ports of the games you've mentioned are good too from what I hear. However, the Wii version of Goldeneye is nothing like the original at all.

Also, if you were to buy an N64, do you think you'd use it more for single player or multiplayer games?

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gcunit

@ReaderRagfihs Single player mostly I suspect.

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