like having a female playable character? Or like online capabilities in PSO?
Ultima allowed you to play as a female in 1981 and went online in 1997. In fact, most of what was done in Phantasy Star was done by Ultima years earlier. Phantasy Star was probably the first notable, popular sci-fi RPG though, I'll give it that. That doesn't convince me that it was influential in being so though. I don't think later sci-fi RPGs took many notes from Phantasy Star.
like having a female playable character? Or like online capabilities in PSO?
Ultima allowed you to play as a female in 1981 and went online in 1997. In fact, most of what was done in Phantasy Star was done by Ultima years earlier. Phantasy Star was probably the first notable, popular sci-fi RPG though, I'll give it that. That doesn't convince me that it was influential in being so though. I don't think later sci-fi RPGs took many notes from Phantasy Star.
We're talking about a main protagonist that's a female not a female character that you can choose to play as. Ultima may be known as the innovative period of RPG's But Phantasy Star has 3D Dungeons plus it was one of the first in the series to come bundled with a guide whereas in previous installments, you'd need to rely on magazines to do so.
We're talking about a main protagonist that's a female not a female character that you can choose to play as.
There are earlier examples, such as The Return of Ishtar, but I'll give you this one, since Phantasy Star is the first notable, popular example. You're still moving goalposts though. Ultima absolutely, undoubtedly contains a much earlier example of a female and is a more influential series (Dragon Quest is basically Ultima: Japan Edition).
Not entirely sure what you mean by this, but Utlima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss is widely attributed as the first 3D RPG.
No way.
I have not played UU, but I read it was released in 1992. Supposedly it is an ACTION RPG, maybe that is the first 3D ARPG. I don't know. But a game released in 1992 is not the first 3D RPG by a long shot. Wizardry I think is, in 1981.
As to console games, I read a game called Black Onyx was the first 3D RPG made in Japan and was made in like 1984. I think it was ported to the SG-1000 (the predecessor to the Master System) in like 1987.
Personally, Deep Dungeon is the earliest console 3D RPG I can remember playing, and it was made for the Famicom Disk System in 1986.
Though I'll give it that Phantasy Star at least got smooth turning animations in 3D.
The first Ultima had 3D dungeons a few months before Wizardry came out, but Ultima got the idea from the Wizardry Beta version that was released a year earlier.
Oh, also of note: Ultima had elements of sci-fi, too, such as time travel, space ships, and Blaster guns (best weapon in a fantasy game ever, btw).
The 3D dungeons in early games like Utlima, Wizardry, and Phantasy Star are 3D perspective, but really 2D in design. You moved on two planes, X and Y, there was no Z. The dungeons were all flat. Ultima Underworld was (as far as I know) the first RPG to not only look 3D, but play 3D as well.
Dude......Phantasy star implemented dungeons that were in 3D which is done pretty much before Ultima Underworld......
Just to clarify, Ultima Underworld is credited with being the first to use 3D envirnments for it's dungeons. Phantasy Star just uses fancy 2D effects to make it look 3D. Deep Dungeon is still the first console RPG to use First Person Dungeons, using similar 2D effects Phantasy Star used, while many computer RPGs had been using them years earlier, including The Bard's Tale and Might & Magic, but goes even further back with Koei's Dungeon and The Black Onyx.
Please note that in the early days, Computer RPGs were very relevent to console game developers, including foreign-made games. Wizardry and Ultima were fairly popular in Japan, for instance.
I can't believe you guys just bicker about what Phantasy Star isn't and that its not one of the first to use sci-fi setting, Its not the first to have a female protagonist and heck its not even the first to have a branching storyline.
I'll agree that the visual in PS4 are pretty outdated but other than that, I can't find out of those other games that did better than PS. If the series itself has done so little to innovate the genre, then why critics claimed it otherwise? Because the games that you've mentioned probably weren't known by them and even then, they wouldn't think of them as means of innovation? Or is it because SEGA paid those critics to say something special about PS being innovative?
Honestly, I get it ok. Some other games have done it so what? Why are you using that to say how much you hate the series in general?
No, he's right, there are critics who have claimed this. They're the ones who desperately need citations, though. I can't read this with a straight face, for instance. 2004 was a weird year...
There's a big difference between being 'first' and being 'influencial'. Neither are nessisarily mutually exclusive.
Phantasy Star Online was a big damn deal because it brought online mmo- type gameplay to consols. Something previously mostly exclusive to PCs. Especially in North America.
@SpookyMeths I know right? Who the heck would have such a nerve to say SM64 didn't do much of revolution? And supposedly if it didn't exist, I don't think that game would be as good as SM64 to be honest.
I'll admit the fact that PS4 may not be that much of an influence but how can you say that PS2 isn't influential at all? Its like Saying Super Mario Bros didn't really do much because games before Mario had already existed and that Mario wouldn't have done much.......
Super Mario Bros was a fantastic and imaginative game that broke boundries and set firm examples. Phantasy Star II did none of that. In fact, if you can find even one shred of evidence that any game was positively influenced by Phantasy Star II, and not by other important games like Ultima or Dragon Quest, I will play Phantasy Star II all the way to the end in one day, and I'll even send you a picture of me vomiting from the sheer stupidity of how it resolves its "plot".
How can you say Super Mario Bros. is better than PS2? It had terrible graphics that are the NES equivalent of Atari's ET or port of Pac-Man. Think about it. Super Mario 2 was better quality and Super Mario 3 was the best. The first one was crap and always will only be remembered for launching the most sucessful crappy platformer series with only Super Mario 3 and the original's SNES All Stars remakes. Phantasy Star 2 was the best on the Genesis and Sega's RPG's were much better than the watered down, vomit inducing Super Mario RPG and Mario and Luigi games. That being said, I do think that gameplay wise Nintendo did have more RPG's of a wide variety while Sega was limited to Phantasy Star and the Shining Force with a small handfull of others like Dreamcast's Evolution series. Also while I do hold Nintendo prejudices because of my love for Sega, I will say Nintendo is superior if only for creating Pokemon.
How can you say Super Mario Bros. is better than PS2? It had terrible graphics that are the NES equivalent of Atari's ET or port of Pac-Man. Think about it. Super Mario 2 was better quality and Super Mario 3 was the best. The first one was crap and always will only be remembered for launching the most sucessful crappy platformer series with only Super Mario 3 and the original's SNES All Stars remakes. Phantasy Star 2 was the best on the Genesis and Sega's RPG's were much better than the watered down, vomit inducing Super Mario RPG and Mario and Luigi games. That being said, I do think that gameplay wise Nintendo did have more RPG's of a wide variety while Sega was limited to Phantasy Star and the Shining Force with a small handfull of others like Dreamcast's Evolution series. Also while I do hold Nintendo prejudices because of my love for Sega, I will say Nintendo is superior if only for creating Pokemon.
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