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Topic: New breed of retro gamer fans. VC games.

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outrun2sp

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I notice that allot people that are writing stuff about games on here, clearly havent played them properly or dont appreciate them.

Some are commenting certain things about games (including some that havent come out yet) that they have never played before. Also writing bad things about them. Ie fighting street, wonderboy monster lair, altered beast.

The modern retro gamer has almost become the casual gamer as they only play a game a few minutes and then write a glowing criticism of the game. You have to break the game down to its core to do that. Also if its been released before 1990's it will get a bias bad review not considering retro value.

Pretty strange and unexpected some of the lack of knowledge by people these days.

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Adam

2. Posted:

This is not new or particular to any kind of game, nor is it universal amongst such games. Also, you can't tell someone how to play a game "properly." People will play how they play, and that can't be changed. If a game does not suit their play style, it is a bad game to them, and that's completely logical. I can often tell if I like a game or not by playing the first level or two, and I have no problem expressing my opinion based on this -- though I will make note of my limited play time if I do so, so as not to mislead anyone.

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Devil_Hunter_Dante

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Well I have been playing video games since 1985 back when I was 3 my uncle started me out with Frogger and Pacman. And let me say games like Altered Beast deserve the criticism as it is purely a Beast of a game. Played it in the arcades, on the Genesis,PC SEGA Smash Pack and I can say earlier this year when I played it again I still hated it. Its opinion my friend and you cannot change that. People are different and view things differently than you. I still play a lot of my VC like Super Mario Bros. 3 and World a lot more than I do a lot of new release games.

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Rawk_Hawk

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I agree retro games do get unfair critique in an era of modern games with all of the bells and whistles. I have close to 100 VC games and I don't regret getting any of them. But don't let any negative talk deter you and besides there is something appealing about playing retro games and not having to sit through the 45 min. cutscenes and tutorials of modern games.

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outrun2sp

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admittedly i am a hardcore gamer at heart. Was playing king of fighters 2000 on dreamcast last night. Also trying to finish circle of the moon on gba. I have about 80 vc games and love the system. I am restricted to vc arcade and tg16 since once you go 60hz you dont go back. I made this transition about 18 years ago. I agree that times have changed and everyone is different. I guess im in a minority when thinking that alpha system made nearly arade perfect ports with redbook audio for tg16 and that it is amazing to see these come back to life. My fond memories of altered beast stem from playing it in the arcade when it came out. I hope for games like dragonninja and double dragon but would expect them to get bad reviews. Crime fighters as well.

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JeanLuc_Vaycard

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Actually I have been around since Fighting Street was released in the arcade. I thought the game was bad back then and I think the game is bad now.

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outrun2sp

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fair enough. I dont expect everyone to like it what are you playing at the moment?

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Sean_Aaron

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I like Altered Beast, but hey, you cannot please everyone. I think Space Harrier is crap, for example...:-P

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Rawk_Hawk

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I like Altered Beast as well.

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Hawker

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Saying a game is garbage & no one should ever play it just shows how egotistical some people are. If I don't like a game, I say I don't like it & why, if someone says they like it, fine, it's when they try to push their thoughts on others, that I step in & say your view is not the only one.

For example, when the Wii was still about 2 or 3 months old, some kid who grew up during the N64 era was telling everyone he could that everything that was made before he started gaming was garbage. No matter what game you mentioned, if it wasn't on the N64 it sucked. Mario 3, garbage, Zelda LttP, garbage, Mario World, garbage. I told this idiot that if these games really were that bad, then his Zelda OoT & Mario 64 wouldn't exist because Nintendo wouldn't have bothered to make sequels to games that sucked. His reply, "ya you had to shift threw the sewer to finally get to the good games." Some people really need to get over themselves.

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7th_lutz

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The vc had nothing to do with me getting into retro games a first place. I went to a classic gaming convention called Midwest Classic back in 2002. I used the vc for imports, Turbo CD games, Neo geo games that aren't in compilations, C64 games, and vca. I didn't own a C64 growing up and the fact is I didn't have a computer a home until I was 16 years old. I believe in not downing vc games that I already own.

I own the Sega Genesis, Snes, Nes, Tg-16, SMS systems before they came out on the vc.

The first game I remembered playing was back in 1983 or 1984 in an arcade with me playing Q*bert as a kid. I even had an arcade cabinet down the basement called Space Zap!. I didn't spend a lot of time playing game console games until 1988 due to the controllers I had with an Intellivision 2 game console.

I got an Atari 2600 Jr. in 1988 since it didn't cost my parents a lot of money compare to a Nes at the time. I didn't own a Nes until I got it as a Christmas gift 1991. I got an Atari 7800 for Christmas in 1989.

I appreciate the classics and some of the best games I ever played were Atari 2600 games to me. I still like the same Atari 2600 and Atari 7800 games as I did growing up like me enjoying playing games like River Raid, Phoenix, Midnight Magic, Jungle Hunt, Astroblast, Jr. Pac-man, Kaboom, Pitfall, Enduro, Missile Command, Empire Strikes Back, Food Fight, Centipede, Joust, Road Runner, Q*bert, Asteroids, Tower Toppler, Galaga, Xevious, Millipede, and Adventure for an example.

Atari 2600 games is gaming in it's simplest form for me growing up and the fact it is very easy for me to getting into older games as result.

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outrun2sp

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I recently asked people what they thought the best console was on VC. Tg16 got the least votes. That is suprising to me but in the end not really suprising in the scheme of the modern retro gamer.

The turbographics is a sought after machine. Look on ebay at how much it costs and games like Rondo of blood and Saphire fetch. I bet loads of people have never heard of Saphire. Im talking about the ones who criticised Altered Beast arcade, fighting Street, and are also criticising the yet to be released street fighter 2 champion edition on tg16. Street fighter 2 has to come out, its an excellent port.

I for one would like cadash / ghouls n ghosts and new zealand story to be released but i suspect these would get bad feedback and people saying things along the line of(some games should be left in the past).

Those N64 fans drive me up the wall as well bah.

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7th_lutz

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No one is going have the same tastes in gaming. I don't believe in forcing people to like a game or hate it. I don't believe in judging a game before I played it in terms of playing older games from the 1970's through the 1990's.

Take a look at me.I am not a fan of first person shooters despite the fact I like Shoot'em ups and shooters like Virtua Cop and Sin & Punishment. I tried first person shooters in the past and I just found them boring to me for some reason like Doom for the 32x and wolfenstein 3d . I even played Goldeneye and I just didn't find the game fun.

The Wonder Boy series is one of my favorite series for the Sms and it has been that way for years.

Street Fighter 1 is a game that I didn't play before I own the compilation. The fact is still wouldn't be a big fan of it back in the day. I am not a hardcore fighting game fan and I always suck at most fighting games.

Altered Beast is a game that I played before the vc came. The game was okay to me, but it never was a great game to me.

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Luigi-La-Bouncy

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I love the first 3 levels of Altered Beast but then it gets too difficult and repetitive, but you can say that about a lot of arcade games as they're designed to drain your coinage not for completing.

By the way, how can you find out which VC games run at 60hz in PAL regions and which don't?

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Rhansley64

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From my point of view Retro Games has something special that can't be explain while today's games are mostly FPS shovelware crap.

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7th_lutz

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outrun2sp wrote:

I recently asked people what they thought the best console was on VC. Tg16 got the least votes. That is suprising to me but in the end not really suprising in the scheme of the modern retro gamer.

I am not what you call a modern retro gamer. I always felt that there was a charm with older games even when I growing up, I got that when I played Atari 2600 games back in the late 1980's when other people my age played Nes or Sega Genesis games. I buy systems for the type of games they have or games that I might enjoy.

During the Playstation 1/ Staturn and N64 era, I played Nes games, Genesis games, Sms games,atari 2600 and 7800 games.

I enjoy the tg-16 and i got it for the type of genres that I like such as shoot'em ups. The catch is I like about every game console that I own and I really didn't have a true favorite. I don't believing judging games before I play unless it is a genre that I really don't like despite playing several games from that genre like first person shooters.

There a good amount of games that have been released on the vc that I own for years and I enjoy, but some people don't like the same games. I do agree with you on some people not giving a chance because they are not familiar with.

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outrun2sp

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I can tell 7th that you are a proper retro gamer. And to luigi. They are all 50hz except for vc arcade, tg16 and hanabi titles minus md. Even neo geo is 50hz, can you believe it.

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I'm a fan of the classics since childhood, I like any game from the '70s, '80s, and '90s. Especially Pong, that's a great game. :)

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I usually try the older ones before I say that I hate them.

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@outrun
It could be that you didn't quite mean this, but you seem to imply that because the TG16 is sought after on Ebay that it's a better console, but fetching prices for antique systems do not indicate quality. NES and SNES consoles go cheaply because they were so well-received from the get-go that Nintendo had to produce a lot more of them than Hudson had to produce of its console, at least in America. Plus, the Famicom-Duos and other copycat Nintendo systems greatly reduce their monetary value. The Saturn and Dreamcast are expensive used consoles, but if someone were to take this as an indication of superior quality, I'd have to laugh and point at their initial sales. They're expensive because they're rarer. CD-i's and their games even go for pretty high prices... unfortunately. I'd love to get the Zelda games.

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