I had never played an old one. This thread is opening my eyes to things. I literally forgot there's no casual mode. I got spoiled with awakening and so on.
Is the DS game rare?
If you have a Wii U, you can get the game at a cheap price. Its less portable yes, but from what I've heard, many didn't seem to like the game very much. I haven't gotten the game.
Me personally, I love Awakening as its got me into the series overall. After all, as Virion once said
"It was a thing of beauty."
Still love that dialogue btw!
Actually this only applies to Europe/Japan. Yeah you guessed it, NoE releasing games and NoA not getting them for several months. The current streak for Shadow Dragon so far is 9 months.
@Socar when two units are paired up, a meter that is below the hp will fill up each time they are attacked or attack themselves.
It fills up by two with each attack. I think that after each turn they will lose two points I they don't enter any combat or one if they are separated. (I can't remember for sure though so it may be a bit different)
It is yellow as it fills up and blue when it is full. Also it can still go down if it is full if they don't enter combat for a turn.
I still shutter over the fact that I would've been a sad puppy had Awakening sold poorly ending the series.
Why on earth does Nintendo threaten workers like this? They rely on every single IP that they have because their IP is what makes them what they are.
Some might say that this was the way of motivating Intelligent Systems to make a good Fire Emblem game but since the majority of Fire Emblem fans aren't satisfied with Awakening, it would have sold poorly had it only been focused on its core audience.....
Speaking of which....what is it that people complain the fanbase of Fire Emblem....like are the fans just as worse as the Sonic fanbase?
I don't think it's threating workers, just broken "needs to sell X mill" logic that's rampant in all of "AAA" (or so it's called, I feel it can be horribly inaccurate) game development nowadays. And a lack of acknowledgement that, maybe, just maybe, their last effort didn't sell, because it was half-baked or awkwardly executed. Instead of fixing the problem, they say "welp, nobody wants that", and then shelve the IP for roughly a decade or more.
Fire Emblem got off lucky... although, some do wonder at what cost. I'm one of them. Loved Awakening, but Fates... I still want it, but, it seemed devoted to making me less excited for it for a good while.
But the problem is that Fire emblem can't compete to the likes of Zelda where those games sell like more than millions. Fire Emblem can only sell roughly around quarter a million until games like Awakening and Fates showed up.
Think of it this way. Its the only thing that keeps Intelligent Systems alive. Just tell me what IP do they have that sells more than FE?
@DarthNocturnal: Ok let's get one thing clear.... you don't need to get both games to enjoy the entire experience.
Secondly, Some IP's are partly owned by Systems...kinda like how Game Freak sort of owns Pokemon. If not, then why does it say Nintendo/Intelligent Systems in the credits?
I have no idea where the series can go from here. What I do feel though is that they definitely won't do the fates approach again but they are just going to do the Awakening style which is depressing considering how much fun I had with Conquest.
Secondly, Some IP's are partly owned by Systems...kinda like how Game Freak sort of owns Pokemon. If not, then why does it say Nintendo/Intelligent Systems in the credits?
Intelligent Systems is completely owned by Nintendo, so it doesn't matter. They are a studio like Nintendo EAD and several others.
Secondly, Some IP's are partly owned by Systems...kinda like how Game Freak sort of owns Pokemon. If not, then why does it say Nintendo/Intelligent Systems in the credits?
Intelligent Systems is completely owned by Nintendo, so it doesn't matter. They are a studio like Nintendo EAD and several others.
Game Freak, on the other hand, is third party.
From what I have heard from guys over here, Intelligent Systems isn't owned by Nintendo. They are more of second party developers who are just loyal to Nintendo.
@DarthNocturnal: Ok let's get one thing clear.... you don't need to get both games to enjoy the entire experience.
I can't play Birthright to get the Conquest experience, and vice versa. Neither give me the Revelations experience, so, yes, I do need all three games to get the full experience.
I don't know for sure if the games were split just because they COULD do that (nobody but Nintendo and IS do). But I do know that it might've gone over better if it was a story told with releases made over the next few years (like a sequel, or some expansions). And if we didn't live in a time when content is often intentionally held back, just to sell later.
I do know that I'm probably not getting Fates until certain criteria are met. Ideally, a return of the 3-in-1 cart. I may settle for 2-in-1, or for a nice sale price, but the first option is the best. It doesn't have to be the SE with the artbook and pouch.
You do realize that it will take a long time for that to happen right?
Also, if next gen isn't going to be backwards compatible for 3DS, its not going to be easy to get the game(s) then.
And for the record, I have beaten Conquest and never have I felt that I missed out the Birthright side of things. Sure, I never expected the character designs in birthright to be amusing, but I got my money's worth in the end past the few flaws I had with conquest.
And just to get to more detail here, Nintendo has never once stated that the game was going to be one. If you intend this to act like sequel bunches instead of accepting the games for what they are, what difference does it make when they still cost the same price?
If anything, you get the other path at a cheaper price if you decide to do so.
@DarthNocturnal: Funny how you ignore Oracle of Ages and Seasons but instead went to Golden Sun which requires you to play the games inorder if story is something of your concern here.
They are just telling you which game to pick for your own taste so that if you are curious of how things would've turned out the other way or if you want more content, you pick the other path. I don't understand the mindset at all here.
Its just done fast instead of first releasing this game and then later that game, and never did the game made me feel like I'm missing lots of content. I may not get as much more content in Conquest compared to Birthright since the replayability in Conquest is limited but I still had a solid experience in the game and it now motivates me to get Birthright.
I can easily tell you that the stories from what I've heard from many aren't too strong nor do they force you to get the other games unlike Golden Sun or Oracle of Ages/Seasons which does force you to get both games to get the ending. Conquest Story started out intriguing at first but the end was just a disappointment to me.
But that didn't ruin my overall experience with the game. Infact, it now motivates me to get the next game as well as the DLC one.
@Socar due to Fates' recent release in NA, most people would probably be talking about that game and in the Fates forum section.
To answer your question though, Metroid was definitely at least more popular before Awakening. Currently Metroid still has more sales overall on average, but there hasn't been a new game since Other M so it is a little hard to compare with Awakening and Fates. (And FF doesn't look like it will sell as well)
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@Kazuo: Well the things I talked about recently was NoA ignoring to release the trading cards to the west, how many seem to ignore FE as a Nintendo IP and how the animations are supreme in GBA games compared to the consoles....all of which aren't worth discussing in Fates forums now are they?
Well, you can't judge a book by its cover. Some thought that the division that Fates had was gonna ruin potential sales but look what happened otherwise!
I want Fire Emblem to do well because its an amazing series that needs recognition.
@Socar true, I just think it may be a little bit before this thread can get more popular. People may sometimes talk about other things related to the FE series, but for now most conversations are related to Fates.
Also about the other things you mentioned.
As a big Fire Emblem fan, I would love to have some of the cards from Cypher, but I don't think it would do that well overall. There are quite a few Fire Emblem fans now, but I'm not sure how many would be willing to buy Cypher and overall the Fire Emblem fan base is a lot smaller than Pokémon.
I think Fire Emblem does have a larger following in Japan which is why the cards are sold there. (I'm not sure how well card games sell in any region now though. I used to collect a lot of Pokémon cards, but don't anymore and nor do I collect any other kinds of cards)
I think the animations are one of the reasons why I like FE7 so much, although I can't quite say if we will see them again. (They did go back to sprites for the character's map icons in Awakening though)
The reason it seems that Metroid FF may not do so well is since it doesn't seem to be focussed on exploration and may be too focussed on multiplayer.
Regardless I do believe that Fire Emblem already has enough recognition now. It isn't one of the most successful franchises, but it has enough sales to keep the series alive.
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