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DarthNocturnal

Well that's rather subjective. I'd probably say the Tellius games, but I havn't played enough of anything before Blazing Sword (well, bar the first game, via Shadow Dragon). I'm not sure any of them had plots that were considered bad though (maybe simple, in the case of earlier titles), so you can't really go wrong with any of them.

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yokokazuo

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It's a pretty tough decision for me between Blazing Sword and Path of Radiance, but my personal favourite would probably be Blazing Sword.
I have it on VC although I'm still playing through several off her FE games, but I've heard that several people also like Genealogy of the Holy War.

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Pukentournament

I had never played an old one. This thread is opening my eyes to things. I literally forgot there's no casual mode. I got spoiled with awakening and so on.
Is the DS game rare?

Pukentournament

Socar

Pukentournament wrote:

I had never played an old one. This thread is opening my eyes to things. I literally forgot there's no casual mode. I got spoiled with awakening and so on.
Is the DS game rare?

If you have a Wii U, you can get the game at a cheap price. Its less portable yes, but from what I've heard, many didn't seem to like the game very much. I haven't gotten the game.

Me personally, I love Awakening as its got me into the series overall. After all, as Virion once said

"It was a thing of beauty."

Still love that dialogue btw!

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yokokazuo

Ya, Shadow Dragon is one of my least liked games, but it is in no way a bad game and I personally love the multiplayer. It's kind of similar to Fates where you create your teams and can face off against someone else locally or online (except wifi is shut down now).
If you have a friend who also owns it I would recommend getting the DS game is you can find it for the multiplayer. If you have a Wii U then I would recommend getting it on VC (I don't think it is available in NA yet, maybe I'm mistaken though)
Also there was an online shop that allowed you to get certain items depending on the day of the week/month, but it is no longer available on the DS. This was made functional again on the VC version though.

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DarthNocturnal

Shadow Dragon was a lot more... simple, then later games (they were remaking a Famicom game, so that might've been why). And the new extras were mostly doled out to players who lost over a certain number of units. In other words "you stink, have some bonus chapters!".

I wouldn't say it's horrible though. And I still would've liked to get New Mystery of the Emblem.

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yokokazuo

@DarthNocturnal oh yeah, that was a main issue I had with the game. I don't like being forced to sacrifice my units to get more side stories.
I just recently beat New Mystery and aside from not having the ballista class (I loved them in Shadow Dragon haha), I prefer it overall to Shadow Dragon. You don't have to kill any units to unlock side stories so that's a big plus for me.

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Socar

@DarthNocturnal: @yokokazuo: Ok look, I want to ask both of you guys something. Why is it that people claim that there are better Tactical RPG's than Fire Emblem or don't agree that Fire Emblem is the definitive experience of playing tactical rpgs?

Whatever TRPG games I've played so far are nowhere as solid as Fire Emblem. Vantage Master isn't what I call completely tactical seeing as how I'm pathetically weak compared to the AI unlike Fire Emblem where I can be just as strong as the AI even if the AI is few levels ahead. FFT has horrible AI which are beyond unbalanced and Valkyria Chronicles isn't exactly all that tactical since you can just shoot the AI's head to just kill them.

Yes, by saying that, it makes the genre completely niche but honestly, FE does the genre right and its the only one that expands the genre right. I mean, what other game has other objectives to do besides Chronicles which doesn't execute them right.

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yokokazuo

@Socar Fire Emblem is my favourite video game series and 7 is my absolute favourite game. But I haven't played too many games of its genre. People do have varying opinions though and so there will be others who prefer a different TRPG to Fire Emblem.
I feel like saying that Fire Emblem is the "definitive experience of playing tactical RPGs" is like saying Mario is the definitive 2D platformer or CoD is the definitive shooter.
There are quite a few different platformers and shooters and there are people who prefer certain games over others for various reasons. Various games tend to differentiate each other from different series and so different mechanics appeal to different people.

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DarthNocturnal

@Socar

Because they've probably played others and found Fire Emblem to not be as enjoyable as other SRPGs, in their opinion. It's rather subjective.

Some might enjoy Disgaea for it's over-the-top.... well, everything (story, character building, etc). Some (clearly a sizable bunch) clearly enjoy FFT (including A and A2). Others enjoy Valkyria Chronicles because they like the blending of 3rd person shooter elements (I think XCOM is similar, as well). There's probably other examples.

But no series has true universal appeal. It's true for the above games, just as it's true for Fire Emblem.

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Socar

Well...I guess opinions vary. But honestly, when looking at TRPG games alone, Fire Emblem to be is the definitive way to play TRPG games and is the only one that knows how to do the genre right.

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Socar

@yokokazuo: Also, just curious. Where exactly is the guard meter that fills for pairs in fates?

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Grumblevolcano

Socar wrote:

Pukentournament wrote:

I had never played an old one. This thread is opening my eyes to things. I literally forgot there's no casual mode. I got spoiled with awakening and so on.
Is the DS game rare?

If you have a Wii U, you can get the game at a cheap price. Its less portable yes, but from what I've heard, many didn't seem to like the game very much. I haven't gotten the game.

Me personally, I love Awakening as its got me into the series overall. After all, as Virion once said

"It was a thing of beauty."

Still love that dialogue btw!

Actually this only applies to Europe/Japan. Yeah you guessed it, NoE releasing games and NoA not getting them for several months. The current streak for Shadow Dragon so far is 9 months.

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yokokazuo

@Socar when two units are paired up, a meter that is below the hp will fill up each time they are attacked or attack themselves.

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It fills up by two with each attack. I think that after each turn they will lose two points I they don't enter any combat or one if they are separated. (I can't remember for sure though so it may be a bit different)

It is yellow as it fills up and blue when it is full. Also it can still go down if it is full if they don't enter combat for a turn.

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When the meter is full, the pair automatically negates the next attack on them

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Socar

Oh so that shield is the meter.....Ok but I guess it doesn't matter seeing how I already beaten Conquest.

Wonder how Birthright turns out to be in the end once I get my hands on it.

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Socar

I still shutter over the fact that I would've been a sad puppy had Awakening sold poorly ending the series.

Why on earth does Nintendo threaten workers like this? They rely on every single IP that they have because their IP is what makes them what they are.

Some might say that this was the way of motivating Intelligent Systems to make a good Fire Emblem game but since the majority of Fire Emblem fans aren't satisfied with Awakening, it would have sold poorly had it only been focused on its core audience.....

Speaking of which....what is it that people complain the fanbase of Fire Emblem....like are the fans just as worse as the Sonic fanbase?

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DarthNocturnal

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I don't think it's threating workers, just broken "needs to sell X mill" logic that's rampant in all of "AAA" (or so it's called, I feel it can be horribly inaccurate) game development nowadays. And a lack of acknowledgement that, maybe, just maybe, their last effort didn't sell, because it was half-baked or awkwardly executed. Instead of fixing the problem, they say "welp, nobody wants that", and then shelve the IP for roughly a decade or more.

Fire Emblem got off lucky... although, some do wonder at what cost. I'm one of them. Loved Awakening, but Fates... I still want it, but, it seemed devoted to making me less excited for it for a good while.

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Socar

DarthNocturnal wrote:

@Socar

I don't think it's threating workers, just broken "needs to sell X mill" logic that's rampant in all of "AAA" (or so it's called, I feel it can be horribly inaccurate) game development nowadays. And a lack of acknowledgement that, maybe, just maybe, their last effort didn't sell, because it was half-baked or awkwardly executed. Instead of fixing the problem, they say "welp, nobody wants that", and then shelve the IP for roughly a decade or more.

Fire Emblem got off lucky... although, some do wonder at what cost. I'm one of them. Loved Awakening, but Fates... I still want it, but, it seemed devoted to making me less excited for it for a good while.

But the problem is that Fire emblem can't compete to the likes of Zelda where those games sell like more than millions. Fire Emblem can only sell roughly around quarter a million until games like Awakening and Fates showed up.

Think of it this way. Its the only thing that keeps Intelligent Systems alive. Just tell me what IP do they have that sells more than FE?

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