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SCAR392

961. Posted:

@TysonofTime
I can't believe you didn't read what I said...
It comes off as being pretty neglectful that you aren't even considering the Wii U.
First, I've been hearing there will be the regular bundle, then a $450 version(camera), and a $500 version(camer and move or something). It all comes down to "you get what you pay for".
I did argue your subscription stance, be ause Wii U has the free one. That goes back to the thought that the initial console price doesn't matter. You're paying $50-60 a year for a free service from Nintendo. I merely said one was better than the other when all is said and done, with benefits of paying for the other services, but those don't necessarily matter.
Everyone thinks the PS4 is the strongest, when no one really knows for sure. I can throw around info all day, but that doesn't mean you'll understand or accept it. Since no one can come to agreement on which one is the best choice, we have to let things play out to know for sure.
I'm also serious about the negatives thing. I seriously see advantages in owning an Xbox One over a PS4. That's just me, but you should be able to accept my opinion of how each of these consoles function. I see the benefits that the PS4 will have in comparison, but that does not matter to me as much as what Xbox One is doing with what it has.

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962. Posted:

Jaz007 wrote:

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CanisWolfred wrote:

I've been reading the digital foundry article jaz gave, and it doesn't sound like the One has a faster processor, plus it'll have a lot of challenges with its use as a tv box even.

Can you give me a link to look it over?

@Jaz007
It called knowing what the components of computers do in the first place.

If you can't give me a reliable source it's because what you said is bull. Proof or you simply don't know half of what you think you know about how computers work.

Let's see if you can answer this question...
What does the GPU and RAM do for a console? How do those thing affect the CPU?

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963. Posted:

@SCAR
I did read what you said. I'm not considering the Wii U because it's already out, and it is essentially in it's own "race", not directly competing with the Xbox One and Playstation 4.
So you DON'T know that the PS4 will have bundles. You just HEARD that. Okay.
Like I said, since I'm not comparing the Wii U because it's not really sensical, you still haven't refuted any of my subscription claims between Sony and MS. So my points stand.
You can throw out info on specs all day, but without a single source you're throwing it into the trash.

"Opinion on how these systems function" does not make sense. I completely agree with you about people choosing what they want, and I honestly do not care which console any of you guys prefer. But people try to spin negatives into positives all the time. It exists, wish it didn't, but it does.

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964. Posted:

@TysonofTime
Since you are disregarding Wii U, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that none of my arguments will make sense. I never count the Wii U out when we're comparing the consoles.
Go on google and search the wiki explanation for GPU, CPU, RAM, whatever else. That is my source. In order to know what the components in a console do together, you need to know what they do by themselves.

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965. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

Jaz007 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

I've been reading the digital foundry article jaz gave, and it doesn't sound like the One has a faster processor, plus it'll have a lot of challenges with its use as a tv box even.

Can you give me a link to look it over?

@Jaz007
It called knowing what the components of computers do in the first place.

If you can't give me a reliable source it's because what you said is bull. Proof or you simply don't know half of what you think you know about how computers work.

Let's see if you can answer this question...
What does the GPU and RAM do for a console? How do those thing affect the CPU?

It doesn't matter. A tech professional will have put up an article that shows what you said is true. How would you know things that all the professionals don't know when it's their job to know? Tell me the answer to this. You have no source aside from yourself, and the only person that will trust that source here is you.

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966. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

Go on google and search the wiki explanation for GPU, CPU, RAM, whatever else. That is my source. In order to know what the components in a console do together, you need to know what they do by themselves.

...Okay? How does that have to do with your argument for the XBone being that it could "theoretically" have enough CPU to equalize it to the standard of the PS4s extra RAM and better GPU? You still haven't explained that, and you've also thrown around accusations of the XBone's OS being better. I need facts man! Baseless speculation isn't getting us anywhere! We can't properly debate these things if one side has facts of what their machine can do and the other has "ideas".

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967. Posted:

Jaz007 wrote:

It doesn't matter. A tech professional will have put up an article that shows what you said is true. How would you know things that all the professionals don't know when it's their job to know? Tell me the answer to this. You have no source aside from yourself, and the only person that will trust that source here is you.

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If so, please show one source. You had to have come across this magnificent knowledge somehow, why don't you share it with the rest of us?

As for a source, you're just gonna have to understand my reasoning, .

Guys, just accept it. SCAR has vast amounts of hardware knowledge that no other living being has. Just accept the fact you are just another unintelligent, simple being and move on with your life.

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968. Posted:

Jaz007 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Jaz007 wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

I've been reading the digital foundry article jaz gave, and it doesn't sound like the One has a faster processor, plus it'll have a lot of challenges with its use as a tv box even.

Can you give me a link to look it over?

@Jaz007
It called knowing what the components of computers do in the first place.

If you can't give me a reliable source it's because what you said is bull. Proof or you simply don't know half of what you think you know about how computers work.

Let's see if you can answer this question...
What does the GPU and RAM do for a console? How do those thing affect the CPU?

It doesn't matter. A tech professional will have put up an article that shows what you said is true. How would you know things that all the professionals don't know when it's their job to know? Tell me the answer to this. You have no source aside from yourself, and the only person that will trust that source here is you.

The difference between a tech professional and I, is that they are getting paid to do what they do.
It's considered a hobby for me, and they do know what these things do, but they never tell the full details. Slight ammounts of different/better RAM and a better GPU doesn't always mean, "better". It's just the different ways they build their computers to have the same outcome.
A PC is the most flexible machine out of all of these consoles. The purpose as gaming machines gives consoles the opportunities to do what a PC isn't solely intended to do.
I can already see what advantages a PS4 has in comparison, but those advantages don't apply to what some people intend to use these consoles for.

@TysonofTime
The "ideas" is putting the consoles to use. A computer is basically useless with out functions.
The only reason I can give for the Xbox OS being better, is that it gives more options within the UI. PS4 can pretty much do the same things as Xbox One, but it does them slightly differently, and that doesn't mean those features are coded into the console.
That comes back to my point that Sony doesn't have as good of computer programmers as Microsoft. They don't know how to use their console as well as Microsoft does theirs.
That doesn't mean the console is worse, but that they don't know how to use what they have.

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969. Posted:

I... E...Excuse me? Did you SERIOUSLY bring up something as baseless as the quality of each side's computer programmers?
And they don't know how to use the console they built. I just can't

I'm done. Let's talk about anything else. Please.

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970. Posted:

That comes back to my point that Sony doesn't have as good of computer programmers as Microsoft. They don't know how to use their console as well as Microsoft does theirs.

Also founded by vast amounts of rational evidence, I'm sure..

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971. Posted:

TysonOfTime wrote:

I... E...Excuse me? Did you SERIOUSLY bring up something as baseless as the quality of each side's computer programmers?
And they don't know how to use the console they built. I just can't

I'm done. Let's talk about anything else. Please.

It's relevant. That doesn't necessarily mean the consumer is getting screwed over. I'm sure we all know that the PS3 had other OS before an update that got rid of it. Other OS is a perfect example of what Sony allows their consoles to do that others will not.
People were running Linux on PS3 for years. The U.S. Navy was using PS3 consoles as their main communication and computer mainframes until other OS was taken out.
There was benefits to other OS on the PS3 that made it a beneficial investment outside of gaming. The Navy said it was cheaper and more convenient(online connectivity, flexibility) to use PS3 systems to run Linux than buying a Linux OS based computer.
I would be using my PS3 to run Linux right now if they wouldn't have gotten rid of that feature. Those are the types of advantages Sony consoles have. Even then some PS2s ran Linux, but the PS3's power made running Linux more beneficial according to the U.S. Navy. They had to destroy 1000s of PS3s, because they had confidential information, but they were literally useless to them once once they got rid of other OS.

EDIT: The PS3 can technically still run Linux, but the Navy needed firmware upgrades for the PS3 from PSN to continue getting top performance from PS3.

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972. Posted:

@SCAR Here you go: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-spec-analysi...

Please note, they're relying on the assumptions that the exact specs are true to the leaked specs, since they seem to be accurate based on what Microsoft has divulged. I can't find anything where Microsoft disproved those specs post-reveal, though.

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973. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

TysonOfTime wrote:

So let me just tally things so far:

PRICE: $400 better than $500. Point Sony.
EXCLUSIVES: Microsoft has more, but either way it's objective.
BUNDLE: Microsoft bundles a necessary Kinect. That's impossible for that to be any more positive than neutral.
SUBSCRIPTIONS: PSPlus seems to work really well. Despite the free games being "rentals", you get a sizable amount, and PSPlus is cheaper. Microsoft... well, you can keep those games everyone already owns...
POWER: lol who cares. Point Not Wii U.

So as you can see, most of you are all being silly. Buy the system you want for its positives, don't try and shove its negatives down others throats as positives.
Now play nice.

I'll give you my own version.
PRICE: Doesn't matter. BTW Wii U is $300 which is actually the cheapest.
EXCLUSIVES: Nintendo and Microsoft have 15 each.
BUNDLE: PS4 has 3, Wii U has 2, Xbox One has 1. Doesn't matter, because price varies.
SUBSCRIPTIONS: Xbox One and PS4 require paid online, both have varying free games, Wii U has free online, and free 2 play games possible
POWER: No one can accept shortcomings or advantages of any of the consoles, so the argument is void, overall.

No one is passing off negatives as positives. If someone is nuetral, no one cares. No one should be trying to convince anyone of anything.

As a pretty big microsoft fan

Price: A $100 difference means alot to different people.
EXclusives: Sony hasn't revealed their full hand.
Bundles: There's are any official bundles from Microsoft.
Subscriptions: Nah PlayStation Plus is still a better value since your getting free games every month,

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974. Posted:

I still like how Sony publishes the most exclusives this past gen, and all of a sudden people are assuming they'll have the least this gen.

Also lmao at the Navy/Linux tangent.

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975. Posted:

It really does suck about how they had to get rid of those PS3s, but I always figured that the whole "PS3 as a Military PC" thing was just a publicity stunt anyways and not something they were serious about. I'd actually be worried if the military seriously thought using game systems to build a super computer was a good use of the taxpayer's money...

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976. Posted:

It makes me sad to see all you people baselessly bashing the XBox One. I for one love the idea of a $500 price tag. Kinect was obviously awesome on the 360, so I can only imagine how well it will perform on One. I know, I know, some people say our privacy could be infringed with the Kinect camera (due to the 'deal' Microsoft has made with the NSA), but hey, I know my overall gaming experience would feel a whole lot safer knowing that the terrorists are getting theirs. XBox One has a bundle of other endless killer exclusives too. (too much to mention in this post)
The only negative thing is how shaky Microsoft has been with their DRM policies. I was all ready and excited to finally be rid of all my so-called 'rights' as a consumer.

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977. Posted:

CanisWolfred wrote:

@SCAR Here you go: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-spec-analysi...

Please note, they're relying on the assumptions that the exact specs are true to the leaked specs, since they seem to be accurate based on what Microsoft has divulged. I can't find anything where Microsoft disproved those specs post-reveal, though.

Again, the better specs need to associated with possibly lower specs in other areas. It said lower latency is still an advantage Xbox One has, even with all those "advantages".
The difference is that Xbox One has more custom parts specifically designed for the console. All of it's 8 cores are factually more unique than the PS4's cores. That's an investment Microsoft made, and Sony didn't.
The bandwidth means more data is being sent through the console, but if that data is not designated for only one task, it won't make a difference for a separate function.
I've already said, the PS4 has advantages, but so does the Xbox One. They both offer features that aren't related in any way, regardless of how similar you think the consoles are.
An example of wasted processing, is the other OS feature on the PS3 when it was taken out, which is why I brought it up. Other OS needed the correct components to run off of the PS3 hardware. Anyone that has the original PS3 has parts in their console will never do anything.
The part that runs Linux will never be used, and newer PS3 consoles don't even have those parts anymore.
People still regarded the parts that were required to run Linux as part of the overall console structure.

@Sony_70
I agree with some points, but Playstation fans always forget alot ofthe arguments they have still relate to either the Xbox One or Wii U.
The "haven't revealed their full hand" is what people have been saying for months about Wii U, and the whole free games thing is really opinionated. I'd rather have what Xbox offers, and be able to keep it.
I get that the argument is that PS Plus will most likely offer newer games, but that won't matter to some that would rather buy 1-3 games, and be able to keep it on Xbox.
I was disappointed by PS Plus when I had it, and losing that same service after a year was even worse.

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978. Posted:

CanisWolfred wrote:

It really does suck about how they had to get rid of those PS3s, but I always figured that the whole "PS3 as a Military PC" thing was just a publicity stunt anyways and not something they were serious about. I'd actually be worried if the military seriously thought using game systems to build a super computer was a good use of the taxpayer's money...

It was a publicity stunt, but the publicity stunt wouldn't have happened if Sony kept other OS. They were making a point that the Navy did actually waste money, but it wasn't by any fault of theirs.
Sony went back on a relevant/important feature. The Navy tried to save money by buying PS3s instead of Linux computers.
They bought PS3 systems, then they had to destroy them and buy Linux computers, anyway, so more money was wasted in the long run.

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979. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

CanisWolfred wrote:

It really does suck about how they had to get rid of those PS3s, but I always figured that the whole "PS3 as a Military PC" thing was just a publicity stunt anyways and not something they were serious about. I'd actually be worried if the military seriously thought using game systems to build a super computer was a good use of the taxpayer's money...

It was a publicity stunt, but the publicity stunt wouldn't have happened if Sony kept other OS. They were making a point that the Navy did actually waste money, but it wasn't by any fault of theirs.
Sony went back on a relevant/important feature. The Navy tried to save money by buying PS3s instead of Linux computers.
They bought PS3 systems, then they had to destroy them and buy Linux computers, anyway, so more money was wasted in the long run.

All sounds a bit madey upy to me, or at the very least over exaggerated.

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980. Posted:

TysonOfTime wrote:

I... E...Excuse me? Did you SERIOUSLY bring up something as baseless as the quality of each side's computer programmers?
And they don't know how to use the console they built. I just can't

I'm done. Let's talk about anything else. Please.

Lets just say that SCAR392 doesn't talk from his mouth.

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