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ThanosReXXX

@BlueOcean Well, there was no need for any other examples, since the topic was Jet Set Radio. And no emulator I know could make a difference of more than half a Gigabyte, so if that would be due to a pack-in emulator, then that's one [email protected] program, for sure....

EDIT:
I did also link to the 360 version, in case you didn't notice

@Delibheel Mine's... well, mine's pretty clear, since I never change names. You're welcome to add me. And just FYI: even if you don't chat or play with other gamers in your list, there are games, such as the Forza Horizon series, that'll allow you to share points with people that are in your friends list. So, at no cost to me, you'll also get a percentage of points from me if I win races, and you can add another player to your team, and then you all get the goodies.

So, it's not sharing the money, because the actual player keeps the entire price, it's just that a percentage is doubled, and then divided between crew members. Once the connection is made, you'll also see the other's cars driving around in your game.

Don't know if there's any other games that work in that way, but there probably are.

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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Morpheel

Interesting. I don’t really play that one game, but that’s an interesting system nonetheless. Sounds like a nice incentive to have friends that play it, kinda like playing together without playing together.

Yeah I don’t know either.

Eh! My gameplay videos

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DarthNocturnal

Horizon 4 doesn't have drivatars that can be hired, unfortunately. You can see others in your game still though.

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ThanosReXXX

@DarthNocturnal Oh really? So they stopped doing that after Forza Horizon 3? That's a shame. It was a nice feature to share amongst friends.

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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DarthNocturnal

@ThanosReXXX

I guess the tradeoff is that now you join Horizon Life lobbies (if you want). Those are actual players driving around. Drivatars are reserved for solo play and non-PvP races.

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Dezzy

@NEStalgia

I don't think FF13 was the best selling. Every bit of information I can find says FF7 was the best selling, at around 10 million on PS1.
FF13 was close to 2nd though with around 8 million overall, which was about the same as FFX.
FF15 has since overtaken that to become the 2nd best selling in the series.
These are just the numbers for the initial releases though. Obviously everything's been released several times now.

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Zuljaras

Quick question. I am extremely interested in Backwards compatibility. I know many games run way better on the One than on 360. However I want to know if there is a difference with the One X than the One of One S?

Does the X give better performance than the other 2 models in terms of backwards compatibility? I know some games run worse on One than on the 360 because of reasons

So anyone care to share? Thanks in advance!

Zuljaras

PikPi

@Zuljaras You'll probably get a very long and detailed answer, but yeah, the One X is able to play a number of games at "enhanced" performance when compared to the One S/360 itself. There are lists online that give you a rundown of which games benefit from the X's power

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ReaderRagfish

@ThanosReXXX Good golly, is that a list of recommendations or a list of every game available for the system?

And I am familiar with that youtube channel. The guy running it is actually one of people in charge of the private online servers I mentioned earlier. I'm thinking Worms might be my next purchase actually. Was a big fan of the PC versions and not having to crowd 4 people around 1 computer sounds great.

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ThanosReXXX

@DarthNocturnal Well, that's some lousy trade-off then, seeing as online play was already there, so there's always been the ability to see other players online. The nice thing about Drivatars was of course the bonus credits and the option to race them, even if the gamers that the cars belonged to weren't online themselves.

@Zuljaras Besides the Xbox One X enhanced titles, there are actually many titles that run better on the X, simply due to the more powerful hardware. An example that I often mention of late, is original Xbox game Black. It is not specifically labeled as Xbox One X enhanced (correction: it actually IS), but while it runs at 4x the resolution on Xbox One S, it runs at 8x the resolution on Xbox One X.

And a lot of Xbox 360 games on Xbox One X are either running more stable in higher resolutions, or with additional effects, and also very nice: considerably faster loading times. Not all titles, mind you, but enough of them for you to notice the difference. And then there's a select list of true Xbox One X enhanced OG Xbox and Xbox 360 titles, which can be found here:
https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/xbox-one/xbox-one-x-enhanced...

And here's a couple of good articles and videos on the subject in general:
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/xbox-one-x-enhanced-backward...
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-xbox-o...
https://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-one-x-backward-compatibility

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ThanosReXXX

@ReaderRagfish Hahaha...
Well, I did say I know practically all of them, so all I had to do is grab my own list of games, and do some memory digging concerning the good or worthy titles. Back when I found out I had a first gen Dreamcast,
I simply downloaded and tried just about everything.

With the list I compiled for you, you've got most, if not all of the worthwhile titles listed and categorized.
Did take me quite a while, but I actually enjoyed making it, because it was a nice trip down memory lane...

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And trust me, this is far from the entire list. The amount of games they've churned out for the system in the period of a little over two years that it was commercially available across all regions, is truly astounding...

If you want to use the list for future reference, you might wanna store or copy it, though, seeing as between me and other text wall creators, it might get buried underneath a ton of new pages in next to no time....

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Dezzy

Zuljaras wrote:

Does the X give better performance than the other 2 models in terms of backwards compatibility? I know some games run worse on One than on the 360 because of reasons

Yep. There are some games that have enhanced patches for the X, so you can get stuff like 4K resolutions.
The rest of the games will get a performance boost up that probably maxes the framerate out its highest possible allowed by the game.
So a game that's got a max 30fps lock will probably get 30fps constantly on the X, whereas many games will dip below 30fps on the base Xbone.

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Anti-Matter

@ThanosReXXX
I still confused about Backward Compatibility.
Why can Nintendo make their machines Full BC with their previous machine (Wii,
Wii U, GBA, NDS, 3DS) but Microsoft make their machines Partial BC, NOT full BC ?

My Top 6 games :
1. Dance Dance Revolution series (100)
2. Dragon Quest Builders 2 PS4/Switch (95)
3. The Sims 4 PS4 + All contents (93)
4. Portal Knights PS4 (90)
5. Final Fantasy VIII PS1 (90)
6. Animal Crossing New Leaf: Welcome Amiibo 3DS (89)

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ThanosReXXX

@Anti-Matter Nothing to be confused about: Nintendo's machines are LITERALLY backward compatible hardware-wise, while Microsoft uses emulators, simply because they moved to completely different hardware (they went from PowerPC to x86 technology), so the old games aren't natively compatible with the new hardware.

Nintendo simply put a so-called 'SoC' or System on a Chip in their hardware, so that software from previous systems actually CAN be run natively. The Wii for example, as you might now, has hardware support for the GameCube on the motherboard of the console.

But regardless of that all: Microsoft currently offers well over 500 titles on backward compatibility, so who cares that it isn't ALL titles, seeing as there's plenty to choose from already, and they're still adding new titles almost every month, so in the end, the list will easily be 750 or more titles.

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DarthNocturnal

@ThanosReXXX

On the upside, other human players are ghosted, so that's a few less obstacles to worry about when doing PR stunts.

@Anti-Matter

Most/ all of those systems you listed use hardware emulation. Which is to say, the hardware of the systems themselves is either identical to the system it supports, or contains actual hardware (CPU for example) of the system they support.

XB1's hardware is very different from Xbox and 360, so some emulation/ virtual machine wizardry is used to make games run. This process needs to be done for every game.

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Anti-Matter

@ThanosReXXX
But, the 750 BC games are Not Dance Dance Revolution games (Ultramix 1 - 4 & Universe 1 - 3) / Kinect games / All Kids games.
I don't like ALL the BC on Xbox1 so far (Except FF XIII that a little bit interesting).

My Top 6 games :
1. Dance Dance Revolution series (100)
2. Dragon Quest Builders 2 PS4/Switch (95)
3. The Sims 4 PS4 + All contents (93)
4. Portal Knights PS4 (90)
5. Final Fantasy VIII PS1 (90)
6. Animal Crossing New Leaf: Welcome Amiibo 3DS (89)

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DarthNocturnal

Selling a game that requires a specific control input method (DDR mats) digitally doesn't really pan out. Sure, some might still own theirs, but there's no guarantee that it'll be enough to warrant the time any money it would take to add the games to BC.

EDIT: Although, I suppose they don't have to sell it digitally. That'd mean only physically bought copies (which would include mats) would be used.

Xbox has distanced themselves from Kinect, so... yeah, that's kinda unlikely as well. Although I thought a few were made compatible?

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ThanosReXXX

@Anti-Matter Yeah... well, no offense, but that's mostly just your problem. I think it's pretty safe to say that most of us don't have a problem with that at all. Personally, I hate jumping around on a dance mat or swinging my arms around in Just Dance. In my opinion, that's just no game for a grown up man, nor is it for a person like me.

I can still enjoy a bit of Wii Sports/Wii Sports Resorts, or some other games where motion controls are implemented correctly, but no dance games for me. I'm 48, so I'm well past my jumping around days...

And to be fair: I already suspected it was about those games, but that wasn't your question. Microsoft is putting in a LOT of effort, where backward compatibility is concerned, and WAY more than the other two companies, but they still can't satisfy everyone, so people with extreme, odd, or specialist tastes will probably never find anything to their liking.

Most of the popular games are compatible, and even quite a few games that none of us, or at least only few of us, ever expected to be added to the backward compatibility list.

And Nintendo has now also moved on, seeing as the Switch can also only use emulation, so there's no backward compatibility on there either anymore, or at least not like it used to be, so in that respect, all consoles are now equal.

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ThanosReXXX

@DarthNocturnal True, that.

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NEStalgia

@Dezzy i think 13 was the best selling at launch. The long tail dropped of a cliff though which sank it below 7 by the end. 15.... No clue why that's winning....

@Zuljaras absolutely. I'm not the list guy, I'm the descriptions guy, so thanos and blue probably have more specifics for you, but generally, but here's the ms page for the 25 x1x enhanced 360/og games. Imo this list is incomplete. Mass effect 1 is clearly enhanced but i don't see it here. 1x enhanced games tend to have the pc version of the games rather than the og 360 version from what i can tell. It at least very similar to it.

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility

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