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NEStalgia

@Yosheel Writers die penniless, I'm afraid

@ThanosReXXX Oh, I know it's going to be a secondary focus (for now), that much was obvious. But I still expected they'd cover it at the event. It's surprising they didn't.

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ThanosReXXX

@Yosheel Ah, okay. I figured the deals would be more or less the same over there. You could of course always buy from an American shop, to still get that discount. Although personally, I always buy my consoles in a physical shop, so I can understand if you wouldn't want to do that.

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BrainOfGrimlock

@NEStalgia Yeah I can understand your frustration with the versions, nothing tends to turn me off a game faster than all of the different pre-order/version nonsense. I’ll admit I hadn’t realised quite how bad it was until you said, but then I thought IO were completely independent now, unaware they’d jumped from the frying pan to the fire - I mean WB of all publishers?!

Just been reading the legacy pack faq and I think I’m safe and should be able to get it for free; I cannot believe though that there are two different legacy packs on top of the silver/gold/standard base game editions, it’s just beyond ridiculous? The fact I’ve read that page and am only 90% sure I qualify shows how convoluted it is - so much so I’m skipping it. I wasn’t sure I’d get the time to play it and was thinking of buying now to support IO but now I know that they’re involved WB can jog on, every game they bring out has this ‘greedy stench’ around it I just won’t support.

Not sure how much of the episodic farce was down to IO as opposed to Square though, as I recall, when they went independent one of the first things they said was that they were ditching the episodic approach?

I don’t generally buy a lot of launch AAA games outside of Nintendo (and specials such as RDR2), at least not at full price so it’s not something I come across that often. I have started to think of $140AU as the new rrp ($100 previously, think our $100 is equivalent to your $60 etc) which lessens the blow somewhat, but for that I expect an amazing & complete game with no stupid loot box/MT’s forced down my throat - sadly this doesn’t seem to fall into that category so it’ll (sadly) have to wait.

Very interested in your continued thoughts on FF13 vs 10 vs 7 btw; 10 has always been a bit of a mystery to me as so many people hold it in such high regard yet I have always found it decidedly average, much preferring the oft-derided 12 (which was always contentious). I’d also say I prefer the lore/story of 13 to 10 too, just not the corridor like execution...?

I’m always torn on ‘best’ and usually share the award between 9 & 6, but admittedly 7 will always hold that special place despite some of it’s less-stellar moments! We can disagree on 8 though, I’m one of those strange people that still loves it! It may not quite hit the heights of 9 and the draw system was just terrible, but there’s a lot in there I still like (including Squall!).

@ThanosReXXX - yep, I’d say you’re covered in the Hitman department for a while! Be interested to see what you think of Blood Money (assuming that’s one of the ones you have). It stands out in my mind as the best of the series, however I don’t think any of them have ever been ‘perfect’ controls and systems wise so will be curious to see how it’s aged?

The most recent reboot I (like NES’) really enjoyed so think you should have a lot of fun with that one. Considering what the game actually has you doing I find the whole experience so nice and relaxed - there’s a certain zen to the whole methodical approach. Until of course you ‘do a mess’ and you go into firefighting mode

On the subject of ‘owing replies’ I know I’m overdue one to you for a message that at current estimate is about 25 pages back? Not sure if you and the others saw my apology in the ‘chit-chat’ thread, I ‘@‘d you all but in an edit so not sure if it retro-actively sends notifications - it explained where I disappeared to in any case, my time here a bit restricted atm due to ‘furry arrivals’!

Thank you for the welcome and you brought up some memories with the mention of ‘Rise of the Argonauts’ - I LOVED that game and still have the disc here somewhere! I also played the heck out of Warriors of Troy, but not sure I can fully recommend that in the same way - I’m quite the Dynasty/Samurai Warriors fan in general so think that shielded me from some of the games issues! I can’t see it happening but if RotA becomes backwards compat then I can foresee another play through for sure!

I don’t plug the 360 in very often now sadly, as it’s a European machine and have never bothered grabbing an AU cable (the One/PS4 had launched and wondered if i’d ever go back - quite rightly it seems!).

BrainOfGrimlock

Grumblevolcano

For some reason it seems FH4 Ultimate Edition isn't discounted for Gold Members, only Game Pass Members so the cheapest way to get all the FH4 content is FH4 Standard Edition + FH4 Ultimate Add-Ons.

EDIT: It's fixed now, cheapest way is Ultimate Edition.

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Ryu_Niiyama

@ThanosReXXX lol thanks for the reply. That still wasn’t what I was arguing though. Lol. My complaint was that the cannon female protagonist (NES’s argument is that other material doesn’t matter but considering that Ubisoft considers this material to be part of the overall universe and they often reference it in later mainline games, I disagree. And Kassandra is the Eagle Bearer in the book.) was being sidelined in marketing and the game structure altered (destroying lore and the linear narrative of the series to pull the “live your truth bs”) to accommodate Ubisoft’s unwillingness to put a sole female protagonist in a flagship/mainline AC.

Not that the game had to have a female protagonist. Just like I wasn’t arguing historical accuracy. ( that being said historical accuracy is relative. After all popular history is written with the slant of those in power. There are several documented female warriors and societies. But it is hard to glean that information when men only talk about themselves) My argument was centered fully around the AC series, its lore and how Ubisoft markets it.

I am a female gamer; the majority of the games I play put men front and center. I am aware of that and it is...often annoying or boring but I get it. What I don’t get is when game companies make a pretzel of themselves to seem inclusive of female gamers and they do so in such a half baked way that you know they wouldn’t do for a male character. Shoving a player character mechanic into a game world that is built on a linear narrative that is tailored to each headline Assassin and the modern assassin following them weakens the story. So for this one they actually made Layla the modern Assassin more stable because her story doesn’t change while you might be dealing with male assassin or wait maybe female assassin oh and they may have done different things. The game is based on looking at history. In that game world the history you visited happened. So unless someone has a time machine it make no sense to branch out into a choose your own adventure. Again thank you for the reply I only responded in detail because you still missed my point I think. It is what it is. As I told NES they broke the gameplay enough that this is my last AC anyway. Lol.

So again my complaint is not all protags should be female. (Having more would make sense in general as we are a little over half the population give or take but that is another argument and one I wasn’t making) my issue is don’t break the game being fake progressive. Tomb raider doesn’t have a Larry Croft option to appease incels. If this linear game was written with a man in mind have it star a man. It it was written with a woman in mind have it star a woman.

Also AC features a number of female assassins, most that acted within the constraints of their time period. Which again is why I am saying gender selection doesn’t work for the series. I don’t want to play a male assassin with a female skin. I want to play a female assassin if the game stars one. I would rather spend half the game watching myself and the main character roll her eyes at male ego and cruelty than her magically be one of the guys. That is the worst thing ever to do to a woman.

Also thanks for the paypal heads up. I did get crackdown.

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NEStalgia

Holy heck. Went to play fallout 76 on launch day.... Purchasing and content usage is down again. Sixth time in a month and a half. Xbl has become horrible somehow.

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Grumblevolcano

@NEStalgia It'll be rather ironic if XBL goes down on Smash launch while Nintendo services are fine

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ThanosReXXX

@BrainOfGrimlock I've got Absolution and Blood Money on the Xbox 360, and Hitman 2: Prologue on the Xbox One. I do like Blood Money, but I haven't played that much, so I'm not really qualified to judge which is the best. The last Hitman I played before the ones mentioned here, was the GameCube version...

As for your reply in the chit-chat thread: if you edited some names in after making the original comment, then nobody gets notified. That only happens with every new comment that someone is mentioned in, so only the first time you post it. But no worries, I always expect people to answer or mention something in their own time, and you did. No pressure, this is just a hobby, not an obligation.

As for Rise of the Argonauts: my Xbox 360 is still very much attached to my TV, so no issue for me. But I do hope that it will be added to the back compat list some day, because it's kind of a hidden gem that more people should get to know, and especially those that have an interest in Greek mythology.

@Ryu_Niiyama Well, goes to show me that I shouldn't have stepped in after all. My bad...
But we do seem to agree on it not being good to copy/paste a female character into a game that doesn't support that character by adding subsequent and appropriate changes to account for that gender swap, so essentially, your still just playing a man's story, except the character only looks like a female.

That is what I meant with putting one in for the sake of it, and it sometimes not being historically correct and/or appropriate, so that is how I wandered into the whole historically correct part of my comment.

Anyway, I get it now, so far as I'm concerned, we're done with this subject. Better get this thread going with something else...

As for PayPal and Crackdown: you're welcome. I found out right after I brought it to your attention, that there actually was no hurry behind it, because the game will be available to download for free for the rest of the month. I just thought that it was tied to the event, and as such only available for a limited time. Guess I was wrong...

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DarthNocturnal

Fallout 76 interests me... but I've already got one not-quite-MMO open world game that I sometimes have a hard time getting into because I have nobody I know playing it.

Then again, 76 is probably scaled to ensure solo play isn't as slow. It helps that you don't have to sail anywhere.

@NEStalgia

Whenever Microsoft stops yanking the carrot away, I'd like to hear your impression of it.

EDIT:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jronald/status/1062755441187315712...

FF XIII file size explained!

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DarthNocturnal

Uhhhhhhh... FF XIII Trilogy is already on sale?!

Well this is awkward... not for me, because I haven't bought any, but for others.

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NEStalgia

@BrainOfGrimlock Yeah, I, too, was hyped for Hitman 2 until I saw that release model..... I mean you get, what, 6 scenarios in the box and the other 4+ are sold separately? With Hitman 1, when Square launched it originally as this ever evolving online service thing. The E3 reveal was awesome. It would have these live event hits and such, it was cool. And then it simply became episodes. And then instead of episodes IO split and it became "season 1 pack". And then there was no season 2. And then we get "GoTY Edition". But I forgave them, I knew they had a publishing mess and went alone. Messing up Hitman 2 is unforgivable. Put the whole game in the box and move on. I'm fine with ONE version of legacy, that's cool. TWO? Lets face it, we know in a year there will be a complete edition for $40. I woudln't doubt there's a 25%+ sale on DwG by February for the current release. I smell a SoTTR situation. Either this or Darksiders, but I may buy that up front anyway with the 10% off pre-order sale. I've seen mixed previews of it....criticism of it being a 16 hour game. Yet it's apparently a mix of Darksiders 1 and Dark Souls which seems too cool to ignore.

FF: I agree, X, today, gets a lot of praise but in its own day I remember it was as ridiculed as XIII is. It didn't really go down well at the time outside of its amazing graphics for the era. XIII just doubled down on the linearity of X mostly. OTOH I gave XIII-2 a spin yesterday. I'm not worried about spoilers since I played most of XIII years ago, and had to read the wiki to figure out what the story actually was, and even then it still made no sense. I have to admit, XIII-2 so far seems like a pretty good game. I was amazed when it opened me with 3 dimensions of navigation and NPCs to talk to! And then I start walking and I find...branching paths! 1-way drop offs! A MAP! random encounters! (I actually don't like random encounters, but XIII made it painfully obvious how important they are to the FF formula.) It starts you with paradigm shifts at the start, and you can't just "mash a to win". I actually died in my first random encounter to a full on tanky enemy. It has dialog options! Sure they're just QTE formula responses, but it feels interactive. Overall it feels much more like an FF game. Maybe not towns, stories, adventures like traditional games, but the gameplay picks up that "FF gameplay loop' a lot better than "walk in narrow, confined, poker straight roads with safety rails, toward the mob always in front of you." I'll check out Lightening Returns today.

I do like X, but I don't love it. It's still "off" to me. 9 is far and away my favorite, 7 is almost as flawed as XIII but comes across better due to character moments, and the great Materia battle system. 8 would have done better if it didn't follow the whole "school" anime trope. Though it just occurred to me how much XV is like VII.

@Ryu_Niiyama I still say outside media (books/anime) etc isn't "canon". "Ubisoft considers it canon" is kind of a red herring. Ubisoft took licensing money for it. A scenario writer no doubt signed off on it. But that kind of stuff is done far in advance of the actual game being finished and changes in production to the direction the game takes. They intend to make that kind of thing canon maybe (or certain people do), but ultimately they're still changing the canon until the disc goes gold. Heck, speaking of XIII, Fang and Vanille were supposed to be the protagonists, not Lightening, and Fang was supposed to be a male with the focus (pun not intended) instead of Snow. Somehow we went from that to Strong & Silent Ligtening, Snow(boarder), and Vanille was reduced to a lolli.)

@Grumblevolcano I seriously wouldn't doubt it!

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NEStalgia

@DarthNocturnal I'll keep the fallout part separate from the prior post post. But...ugh, FFXIII goes on sale 3 days after release....when I bought it? I can't catch a break....

Fallout 76....OMG what did I buy? XBL came back up and I got some time in with it. But....I almost wish it hadn't. The good part is I can say I'm so glad I'm playing it on the X. It plays pretty smooth, no real complaints about performance. I hear on the PS side it runs unforgivably, as in "this needs a refund" kind of bad. I wouldn't bother on an OG X1 from what I'm hearing. But on the X it plays smooth.

But....what is this game? It's not Fallout. It just isn't. It's some bizarre survival apocalypse game. Fallout isn't about survival, it's about the dysfunctional civilization that emerges from the vaults amidst the government experiments. This....this is an apocalyptic survival game that has more in common with Metro or Dying Light than Fallout. No...I take that back. Those games have people. This does not. Walking Dead? No...people there too. It's like an RPG in debug mode without the questing in place.

To it's credit, theres a cool foundation. It's almost zen. Just this kind of quiet empty place. But where Fallout arms you at the start, this does not. I kept hearing other people interacting with stuff in the fault, but couldn't see them. When I got into the world, I turn right and get shot at by robots. I decide to just jump down the rough terrain instead. I make my way to the campsite. There are already 2 other people (players) there crafting. We all awkwardly ignore each other. I realize it's getting dark...well, no use heading down the road to town in the dark. I'll just nap. Then I'm told ground mattresses could be diseased and harm you. I realize that I can't forward time to daytime, so I can either wait around through night, or do things in the dark. I do the latter and go to town. I can see nothing as a pack of wild dogs attack me. Then a robot is shooting lasers at me, and I'm sure my machete I crafted at the camp won't work well. So I run and run to town. As I read the terminal, and other things I realize that the exposition from holotapes and terminals goes on....and on...and on...and on. These are narratives that keep going while you're doing other things...so you miss it. And that's your only story in the game. And it's all depressing. Questing feels very MMO (go hear and press this, now go back and press that, now go here and pick up the item that just magically gets used when you stand over there.)

But then there's the food. RDR2 went overboard on the "eat to raise your health core, and drink to raise your stamina core, and do stuff to raise your horse core" (I'm sorry, horse core should not be a word in my vocabulary.) Fallout takes that and makes certain to make it as not fun as it can be. I'm told food goes bad if you don't eat it soon. And water needs to be boiled. And you need to keep drinking to stay hydrated. And eat to stay full. It warns you when you get parched that bad things will happen if you don't drink. But the more you eat and drink the more radiation you take on so the more rad-X or rad-Away you need. And all of this is rare-ish. Too many "gather this and gather that to craft those, to use them, but then you need that" bar management. It's not fun, it's annoying busy work. Everything in the game is crafted at a dozen tables but you can't carry much. And there's no other characters ever.

Meanwhile while I'm doing that in the church in town, I hear gunfire outside...other players....people run through the room, then back out...we all ignore each other awkwardly "maybe if I open my PipBoy they'll ignore me." It's like The Division but without the fun gameplay.

Then while I'm at the terminal, suddenly zombies! (A mutant blasts through the door. The corpse moves on its own a few times after I kill it.) While I'm doing quests a feral ghoul police officer attacks....goes down easy....somehow he's carrying only a pencil to loot. FINALLY night time ends. But I need water....which means heading to a cooking area, to boil water, to consume it...which means collecting more dirty water somewhere.......

It's a time management game at best? There's barely an RPG here. To be fair, I imagine it gets better once you get out of those early areas, but the trouble is the early areas are so unfun I don't feel motivated to find out. As it stands, TES:O seems more appealing even if I hate its online structure more. At least quests feel like quests, and there are NPCs and dialogs. And at least something in the world rather than running around in map editor mode.

For now, I got bored and went back to playing FFXIII. Of all indictments one can levy against a game: "I'd rather be playing Final Fantasy XIII" has got to be the most alarm raising response in the gaming business. They NEED to add something big to this game, for free. They made a sandbox and forgot to add the game.

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Ryu_Niiyama

@NEStalgia LOL oh gosh I was not trying to reopen the convo. I'm sure half the thread is sick of us circling the wagon about it. Ubisoft references their extended universe games... that means it is cannon. Let's agree to disagree. I've already beaten AC:Sparta. We can go rounds again when the DLC drops lol.

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BlueOcean

@NEStalgia Actually, I played Final Fantasy IV on DS, I was wondering if the SNES version was worth checking out, it probably is but my backlog is huge so I'll play another Final Fantasy game instead (after I beat the last Kingdom Hearts games). Finally, I beat Chain of Memories. Gameplay is not balanced for the reasons I have explained recently and I had to grind a lot for using the strategy mentioned by @DarthNocturnal but I liked the story and it has a few surprises on top of the recycled content. I also played Chrono Trigger and The World Ends With You on DS. I liked CT but I didn't like TWEWY much. I also played Secret of Mana on Wii, which is one of my favourite RPGs, probably because of the music and art style, so I'll check the fan-translated sequel.

@NEStalgia Although you say that the 360 download of Final Fatasy XIII is 14 GB I just checked and it's 30.58 GB on Xbox One (before any updates), so it means that it is uncompressed like the PS3 version. Good stuff, right?

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Final Fantasy XV Royal Edition: 50% off

Final Fantasy XIII, XIII-2 and The Lightning Returns: 50% off

Shadow of the Tomb Raider: 50% off (Croft Edition includes Season Pass)

Crash Bandicoot N.sane Trilogy: 35% off

Sonic Mania: 25% off

Sonic Forces (yes, I know...): 50% off

Monster Hunter World: 50% off

Assassin's Creed Odyssey: 40% off

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Digital Deluxe Edition: 85% off

Okami HD: 30% off

The Evil Within Digital Bundle: 50% off

The Evil Within 2: 75% off (not a popular game but one of my favourite games of the generation)

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JLPick

This question has nothing to do with the topics above...I have an XBOX ONE X system and was thinking about getting Kinect...however, will be needing the adaptor, which somehow, the adaptor is harder than blazes to find. Anyone know where you can get it and it's not someone placing a large price tag on it? Also, there's only a few Kinect games on the system that I found (scratch that, games that ONLY use kinect)...Just Dance, Shape Up, Kinect Sports Rivals, Dance Central Spotlight, Fantasia Music Evolved, Rabbids Invasion and Zumba Fitness World Party...anyone know of any other ones that would make the purchase worth it, or should I just stay away from the Kinect and continue with the PS4's camera and VR items instead. Just curious as it looks like something my kids can mess around with and have fun with.

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JLPick

Another question...anyone know if you can play Sea Of Thieves without an internet connection, or is it 100% internet only?

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