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DGGames

561. Posted:

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Destiney doesn't need a required Internet connection from a console and it needs an Internet connection so devs will already make these games. If there are 4,000,000 Xbox One users and 100% of them have an Internet connection the dev will have 4,000,000 to sell to. If Xbox One didn't have an Internet connection and had 4,000,000 users with internet and there were 1,000,000 more people who don't have Internet who bought Xbox One. There are 5,000,000 total users and the dev will able to sell his game to only 80% of the userbase, but it will still the same amount of people and it won't affect he sales the dev gets. Plus, of another dev makes a game that doesn't need the internet, he will only 4,000,000 to sell to instead of 5,000,000 to sell to because the console requires an internet connection. A requirement that makes 100% of the userbaser possible customers doesn't matter if it only makes less of an overall userbase.

It does matter, when that dev can tell the publisher their game can be fully enjoyed by 100% of the userbase instead of only 80% because that means that when the userbase grows, so does their potential customers.

Also people are blowing this completely out of proportion. You need to log in, once, for less than a minute, every 24 hours. If you are using these forums you are already online for far longer than that. In fact, every single idiot complaining about this already spends far more time online than the XBOX ONE requires to authenticate.

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562. Posted:

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"If you rent games, XBOX ONE and PS4 are not for you.
If you trade games with your friends , XBOX ONE and PS4 are not for you.
If you don't have a good connection, XBOX ONE, PS4 and Wii U are for you. They all survive if you have any internet connection at all.
And if you don't want to support these kind of policies and restrictions
because you love games and you know the impact that this will have to
the future of gaming, then you are probably an idiot who doesn't really understand anything announced so far and are just complaining and crying over nothing."

I feel this is quite an accurate quote.

There, corrected it for you. Now is far more accurate.

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the_shpydar

563. Posted:

Dude, you're defending MS's decisions so hard, i'm half convinced you work for them.
Can you not just accept the fact that MS has managed to upset a lot of people with the directions they are choosing to take?

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564. Posted:

Looks like we have ourselves a Xbone shill defence unit sent on a operation forum salvo mission ;)

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DGGames

565. Posted:

Well people are being really stupid so it doesn't really matter.

Used games DRM? already confirmed to be just like the PS4: up to the publishers, not mandatory.
Online connection? Only required for a second once every 24 hours. Every single person that has complained about it has access to an internet connection far more regularly than that
Privacy concerns? People using google services that violate their privacy in much worst ways (since google actually sells their information) and keep complaining after it was confirmed that it is completely optional as Kinect can be turned off completely, the voice commands disabled and sending info to Microsoft is optional and disabled by default.

So again, people being stupid hypocrites...

PS: No I am not a Microsoft employee... I wish though, being paid for pointing out stupid nonsense like that? pretty easy job... I am however a Nintendo partner (going to E3 and the Nintendo exclusive events too is pretty cool :P, so if you want to call me biased towards a company, that's probably Nintendo ;)

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566. Posted:

too long; no one cares

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567. Posted:

Why someone would support the Xboned as a customer is beyond me, because as a customer your rights have been restricted to Microsoft wishes. While i will be able to play any game disc i've "paid" for, for the PS4 from it's launch until the end of time, as long as i own the console and disc. The same cannot be said for Xboned, and if you wish to move house, go to friends or family, you'll be able to play the game you've "paid" for one hour, and depending on internet connection your games collection is useless. And once a new games console comes out, your Xboned & games you've "paid" for is useless unless microsoft says so. Good luck being Xboned..

Oh and all the countrys who have escaped being Xboned, because of there internet connections. And get this every gold member are paying to be Xboned, and head over to digital foundry on "the power of the cloud" nonsense even Microsoft are laughing.

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568. Posted:

@DGGames, first let me say that I don't have any strong feelings about the Xbox One either way. With that out of the way, let me ask a few questions:

1. As for the whole connecting to the internet once a day, while it won't affect you, me, or any of the online whiners, there are consumers out there who don't have a stable (or any) internet connection at all. Are you willing to admit that by locking out those consumers, the XO has a lower potential consumer base than it would have otherwise?

2. As for the DRM practices, will you admit that they might make the console look less appealing to the average family on a budget? (While it probably won't affect early sales, which will be by people who have the money to throw around, it might effect the console later on)

3. So what if Sony does some (or all) of the same things with PS4? (Just because one company does something, doesn't mean the other shouldn't be criticised for doing it as well. They should both be criticised)

4. As for your comments regarding the forced internet connection opening up more creative doors for devs, while that may be true, why is that more important (and better) than making a system that's appealing to as many consumers as possible? (it could be the most developer friendly console in history, but that kinda amounts to jack squat if the system doesn't sell, right...)

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569. Posted:

@DGGames
Ah yes, I forgot that I don't understand my hobby in the slightest. Thank you for informing me that I should stay quiet and accept what the future brings, because no matter how much I dislike it, that's only because I'm too ignorant NOT to like it!

Thank you for showing me the light.

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Jaz007

570. Posted:

DGGames wrote:

Jaz007 wrote:

Destiney doesn't need a required Internet connection from a console and it needs an Internet connection so devs will already make these games. If there are 4,000,000 Xbox One users and 100% of them have an Internet connection the dev will have 4,000,000 to sell to. If Xbox One didn't have an Internet connection and had 4,000,000 users with internet and there were 1,000,000 more people who don't have Internet who bought Xbox One. There are 5,000,000 total users and the dev will able to sell his game to only 80% of the userbase, but it will still the same amount of people and it won't affect he sales the dev gets. Plus, of another dev makes a game that doesn't need the internet, he will only 4,000,000 to sell to instead of 5,000,000 to sell to because the console requires an internet connection. A requirement that makes 100% of the userbaser possible customers doesn't matter if it only makes less of an overall userbase.

It does matter, when that dev can tell the publisher their game can be fully enjoyed by 100% of the userbase instead of only 80% because that means that when the userbase grows, so does their potential customers

You're telling me that the publishers aren't smart enough to know that amount of people they can sell to won't be affected? That sales is pitch is going to do nothing, publisher actually think about their investments a lot and would see the amount of people they can sell to with the game and that it won't really change with the Internet connection requirement.

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Midnight3DS

571. Posted:

People don't want this garbage. The number of negative news articles and editorials are piling up. Not just dedicated game sites. Forbes, BBC, The Guardian, Metro UK, The Diplomat... and much more. Stupid, convoluted policies.

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TysonOfTime

572. Posted:

I'd be much more interested in POSITIVE articles and editorials; I want to see how people could possibly defend this.

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573. Posted:

And enough with the 'Sony's doing it too' mantra. No, they are not. It's official. It's up to publishers to come up with their own 3rd party means of DRM. Huge difference. Not everyone has the infastructure for this, outside the likes of EA or Ubisoft.

Also, with PS4 you're buying a game disc, which can be played completely offline, unlike a glorified installation disc, and online requirement with Xbox One. Sony wins on both these fronts.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/It-Official-PS4-Feature-Used...

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Stryker89

574. Posted:

What I'd like to know is what happens in ten years or so..? Microsoft's servers for the Xbox One won't last forever, and when they do turn off, it'll essentially turn the console into a giant doorstop. Unless of course Microsoft ditches its stupid online checking policy either now or somewhere down the line.

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575. Posted:

The Xbox One is equally good and bad. I like the enhanced Kinect sensor, the amazing graphics, and the menu usage. The bad things are REALLY bad in my opinion, such as the paid mandatory online system, the online requirement, and the (WORSE) lack of backwards compatibility. The games and the Kinect bar usage are awesome, but online usages and the complete disappearance of backwards compatibility are some things I can't deal with.

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I assume DGGames is like this

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577. Posted:

RR529 wrote:

@DGGames, first let me say that I don't have any strong feelings about the Xbox One either way. With that out of the way, let me ask a few questions:

1. As for the whole connecting to the internet once a day, while it won't affect you, me, or any of the online whiners, there are consumers out there who don't have a stable (or any) internet connection at all. Are you willing to admit that by locking out those consumers, the XO has a lower potential consumer base than it would have otherwise?

2. As for the DRM practices, will you admit that they might make the console look less appealing to the average family on a budget? (While it probably won't affect early sales, which will be by people who have the money to throw around, it might effect the console later on)

3. So what if Sony does some (or all) of the same things with PS4? (Just because one company does something, doesn't mean the other shouldn't be criticised for doing it as well. They should both be criticised)

4. As for your comments regarding the forced internet connection opening up more creative doors for devs, while that may be true, why is that more important (and better) than making a system that's appealing to as many consumers as possible? (it could be the most developer friendly console in history, but that kinda amounts to jack squat if the system doesn't sell, right...)

1. It will not affect a single one of the idiots that are complaining about it. It won't affect a single person that has been complaining about it. More importantly, if we go off the numbers Microsoft and even Nintendo have been reporting, it won't matter in the slightest. Over 75% of Xbox 360 consoles were constantly online, and that's counting as offline all of the thieves who had modded consoles and pirated games and therefore never went online at all. So if even with those thrown in they still had 75% connection rate the chances of somebody getting an XBOX ONE without having some sort of internet connection are very, very low. Besides if it doesn't negatively affect you or anyone you know at all, why are you so butthurt about it?

2. No .The average family doesn't even know what DRM means and won't care either. Besides, a "family on a budget" won't be buying a $400 console at launch. I even doubt a "family on a budget" would be buying anything past the Wii U Basic and even that is a stretch at $300 for just the console.

3. Exactly, if people hate Microsoft after yesterday's new info, they should be just as pissed at sony since it is the same thing. They are both letting publishers decide (and we all know EA. They are going to do it)

4. Because more creative freedom = more games. Also, as every Nintendo fan knows, new and unique features that empower developers is always a good thing. It opens up new opportunities for cooler, better games.

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KAHN

578. Posted:

Microsoft is paying 3rd Party developers not to show games at the PS4 press conference. this is just bullish*t. i'm sorry, but it is. i'm excited for the PS4, and i want to see it at E3 this year as the best it can be. but MS knows they screwed up their reveal, so they're essentially CHEATING. i shouldn't have to miss out on the PS4 conference because MS made a crappy reveal to a crapy console. so unorthodox.

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579. Posted:

Business is a dirty game, unfortunately. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony did the same thing.

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580. Posted:

CanisWolfred wrote:

Business is a dirty game, unfortunately. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony did the same thing.

if 3rd party developers actually obey MS & not reveal their PS4 games than i could see that happening, but hopefully they wont listen to MS. MS needs to kick it into overdrive this year at E3. they know they do. All Sony really needs to do is not have DRM and have one or two good exclusives and it'll be a successful launch. Nintendo just needs to be Nintendo. they're practically poised to win this year.

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