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ThanosReXXX

@Anti-Matter No problem, man. I was just kidding about the wall of text.
I was actually about to suggest that you might want to pick up a cheap Xbox 360 in that case,
to make sure you can play all the titles that you might want.

I'm still a bit amazed, though, that you've apparently browsed through all 27 pages of the Xbox One backward compatibility list, and have found almost nothing of interest. Combined with current generation games on Xbox One, there are SO many games on there, that I could easily find at least three times that many games, that are both kid friendly and aesthetically pleasing along the lines of what I've seen you mention.

There's the Kefling games, Disney games (and who doesn't like those?), the LEGO games, the Viva Pinata games, and so on, and so on.

But anyway, what you should also know is that the backward compatibility list isn't complete yet, and far as we know, Microsoft is going to continue adding titles, both from Xbox 360 and the original Xbox, which by the way, also has quite a few nice and cartoony/kid friendly titles, so wait another couple of months, and just keep checking that list to see what is being added. The list of Eurogamer that I also gave you, puts newly added titles on the top of the list, so it's easier to check what's been added.

So, put that in your internet favorites, and check it out once a month, and who knows? Perhaps the specific titles you want, might be added after all.

By the way: you should also check out Blue Dragon on the Xbox 360. It's a really nice jRPG, with pleasing aesthetics, and a really great story. Check out some video of it on YouTube, and perhaps you'll find that you can add it to your list...

And next year, all Xbox One models will most certainly be a bit cheaper again, so perhaps it will fit into your budget then...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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Oh EA....

Dragon Age: Origins BC: Looks pretty awful, visually, but it's a decent Baldur's Gate stand-in from Bioware I'm glad to replay. I played on PC after following development of that game from back around the time Shadows of Amn released....that was stuck in development so long, tabled during the Microsoft Jade Empire/Mass Effect years and the LucasArts KotR years, then finally reborn at EA. Not perfect....and better on PC...but it did what it set out to do more or less, increating an all new D&D sandbox without the D&D licensing and rule suffocation.

Dragon Age 2: Panned at the time of dumbing DA:O down into a pseudo action game. But in BC it looks beautiful and plays more faithfully to the original than I'd expected. It just funnels you down corridors instead of an open map.

Dragon Age: Inqiusition: OMG wtf did they do? It's an action game. We attack with the trigger now. How is this even pretending to be an RPG, they went full Mass Effect with it.

sigh But at least I have the trilogy on one box finally...

@Anti-Matter 1-4, Konami does what Konami does....which is typically next to nothing.... But yeah it seems like you have a lot of games specific to 360 without BC so going the "retro console" route is probably a good bet. I'm pretty sure you already know about this, but be sure to get one of the later revisions and not the older pre-Jasper versions that were RROD prone when you jump on a 360!

Plus I meant to add the other day that if you were considering selling the PS4, keeping in mind, IIRC your'e a Street Fighter fan, and SFV is PS4 exclusive.

@ThanosRexxx I suppose in that BC list the requirements aren't just "cute/kid friendly/rhythm/dance etc" games but also "ones that are not also available on Nintendo" since the PS4/XB is his "second console" for stuff not available on Nintendo. I'm guessing a lot of the BC games that fit his tastes are also on GCN/Wii/WiiU/3DS/Switch. Not Viva Pinata though. Even Viva Pinata had a DS spinoff

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Anti-Matter

@NEStalgia
I choose Street Fighter Alpha 3 & III 3rd Strike as the BEST Street Fighter games for me.
But, i don't like Street Fighter IV & V for some reason (That's why i didn't put on my Top 10 Xbox 360 games)
Those Two Street Fighter changed Too drastically. I felt disappointed after i played SF IV 4 years ago on PS3's my game shop owner. And i don't even like SF V after i saw from trailer.

Oh, btw.
I also have ever thinking about Japanese Wii U, Wii & Gamecube games. Can i get some unique & quirky Japanese games on Japanese Wii U / Wii / Gamecube ?
The result was....... a MESS !
For these machine :
1. Wii U => Only got 1 ! ONE Japanese Wii U game that i think quite interesting. It was F1 Race Stars Full Edition (With All DLCs).
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The other Japanese Wii U games are MEH ! / Also released in USA.
If only Wii U is Region Free. Stupid Region lock.

2. Wii => Uggggh.....!!
Just only got 4 Taiko no Tatsujin games, Shin Chuka Taisen, Tokyo Friend Park 2. INnteresting titles but.... Very WEAK games.

3. Gamecube => No! NO! NO! (Slammed my forehead to the wall)
I just only get ONE Japanese Gamecube game that quite interesting for me, Muscle Champion.
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1. Dance Dance Revolution series (100)
2. Dragon Quest Builders 2 PS4/Switch (95)
3. The Sims 4 PS4 + All contents (93)
4. Portal Knights PS4 (90)
5. Final Fantasy VIII PS1 (90)
6. Animal Crossing New Leaf: Welcome Amiibo 3DS (89)

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia You only NOW completed the Dragon Age trilogy? I have all the original games on the Xbox 360,
in physical form...

As for our friend Anti-Matter here, I know he has a rather peculiar, completely off the radar and out of the box kinda taste, but come on, not being able to select more than a handful from over a 1000 games (backwards compatible + Xbox One titles combined)? But to each their own, I guess. For me personally, across those three generations of Xboxes, there's more than enough diversity and great titles, some of which are definite must-haves, for one reason or another.

By the way: as you know, I was waxing lyrical about Black a couple of days ago, and a couple of months ago as well. Well, I still own the physical disc, but having to get it out of the stack of OG Xbox games, and having to swap out discs each time on the Xbox One got me kind of annoyed, so I finally caved and bought the digital copy for 9 bucks, so now it's installed without the need for the annoying continuous disc check, and I can once again play one of my all-time favorite shooters whenever I want...

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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@ThanosReXXX I never had the trilogy in one place. I had DA:O physically on both PC and 360 (actually better than physically....I was press back then, so my edition was quite above and beyond anything at retail, but I can't say more. EA knows how to bribe critics! Which explains a lot.... Awesome swag and games made that job great. No money, endless hours, and turning a hobby into a job made that job not great.

Anyway, I got DA2 physically on 360 but never actually played through it. Then I got Inquisition physically on PS4 (it's still in shrinkwrap, might as well sell it.) then got it digitally as part of the ME3 bundle on PS4. Then bot an X1 and ended up re-buying that same bundle digitally. So with the last sale I went back and digitally bought 1 & 2 so I can finally just have it in one place. I already had the discs (in a crate in the basement, somewhere....), but for $6 or so, why not?

Yeah, but my point is I'm sure there's stuff in that list that he likes but if it's available on any Nintendo console past or present, he probably already has it or intends to buy it for a Nintendo machine, so he's looking specifically for games he can't get on N that meet the unique tastes in games he has. I'm betting there's a lot of overlap with Nintendo in that BC library for his favored game genres, so that's a fair assessment (heck even for those evil T and M rated games, Doom is free on Game Pass, but I'd rather play on Switch with mouse-like gyro aiming even if it looks horrible in comparison )

LOL! I did not think I'd ever hear you jump into digital for convenience! Heck I never thought I would either, but here we are! That's cool. I imagine it will show up in a BC sale at some point. If it's $10 normally it'll be $3 or so then, so I'll definitely grab it!

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Oh, and I also bought that Forza Horizon 2 Complete Add-Ons Collection that @DarthNocturnal mentioned earlier...
https://www.trueachievements.com/products/4481/Forza-Horizon-...
It's only up for five more days, so if you're also interested, then this is the last chance to get some stuff that will otherwise not be available anymore. And it's for a really great price, so actually kind of a no-brainer...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Well, of course we already were partially going digital anyway, what with Games with Gold and all that, so it wasn't THAT big of a jump for me, to be honest. And $3? Cheap skate...
The game is definitely worth every penny that it costs now, and on the X it's apparently looking 4 times more upgraded than on the S, so that's a BIG improvement over the original version. I do wonder how good that looks, though, since I'm already quite pleased with how clean and sharp it looks on the S.

I can definitely shake your hand on Dragon Age 2: only ever started the first bit, and after that, too many other games came that drew my attention away from a game that simply took too much time to play, at the time.
I hope that by the time that I finally DO have the time, that it isn't going to be too much of a harrowing experience, compared to modern day games...

Oh, wait, I wasn't one of those "that game looks ugly now" whiners...

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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@ThanosReXXX Thanks. I already bought Storm Island on the sale in August, so I think that's the only add on content for 2 I really need since the Fast & Furious content aside from the cars is in license limbo! Since it's the older game I don't need the car packs since I have a bundle of them for 3 & FM7 and no doubt will for 4

Dragon Age 2 was "Streamlined" (EA for simplified and linearized) compared to 1 already (not as much as "hey it's an action game!" Inquisition) so I think it should be less of a slog than 1 compared to modern games. Redoing Origins, great is it is, is a daunting thought. Especially with how ugly it is and some clunky design issues.

DA:O isn't truly "ugly ugly" but it's very dated looking. Specifically it looks worse than the average game of its era, just like most Bioware RPGs outside the infinity engine. KotR got Enhanced. I doubt DA:O will. It aimed to be like the Infinity engine, but 2010 3D just couldn't compete with the beautiful sprites and pre-rendered backdrops.

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Well, it's not a must, I just thought I'd give you a heads up, in case you would be interested, otherwise the price tag goes back to $116.99, which would be a shame for the people that might still want to get this bundle.

And no worries: I know Dragon Age isn't truly ugly, but it is one of those types of games where the trade off for a larger game world makes the game take a considerable hit in the graphics department, making it look kinda crude. It was more or less the issue with many of these kinds of games on every last gen platform.

Nowadays, it becomes less and less of a problem because systems are getting more powerful.
But it was never an issue for me. I still think Shenmue looks beautiful as well, because I'm one of those weird guys that can see games in the right time frame, so I have no need or desire to compare them to 4K titles to be able to slap a "fugly" label onto them...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX In the case of DA:O it was less a generational issue, and more a Bioware issue Their 2D engine was brilliant but their 3D engine was really not so great. The game looked pretty crummy on ultra power PCs as well, and a lot of it stemmed from the fact that the game had been in development for almost a decade across 4 different publisher eras, so there was very old tech under that hood.

Sadly, it seems that Bioware effectively no longer exists with almost everyone that was ever anyone running screaming as EA merged them into a unified team with what was left of the ruined Maxis and EA Mobile of all things. I don't know what Anthem will be, but it will be a Dice game, not a Bioware game, and I suspect all the old Bioware series are forever dead. Andromeda was the last straw where they shut down the forked division almost entirely and turned it into a content farm.

Despite that Anthem looks like it might be good. Maybe. But it's no Bioware game.

Shemue does look beautiful. Well at least the rerelease. The sound quality is horrendous and the controls are pretty off, but it looks beautiful.

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DarthNocturnal

I think everyone looking for Bioware games is supposed to go check in with Obsidian. They've got the talent behind... how many shuttered studios and bought-out IPs? Pretty sure there's a lot of Fallout alumni, plus some formerly-BioWare talent.

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Dezzy

@DarthNocturnal

There've been quite a few games in that old Baldur's Gate style in recent years. I haven't played any of them though.

Which is the best to go with? Pillars of Eternity, Tides of Numenera or Divinity Original Sin?
Or are there other big ones I've missed.

It's dangerous to go alone! Stay at home.

DarthNocturnal

@Dezzy

I actually wouldn't know. I just know that while Bioware seems to have fallen from grace over the past decade, Obsidian still stands for solid CRPGs/ WRPGs.

Maybe it's because they aren't obsessed with romance options?

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ThanosReXXX

@NEStalgia Yeah, the sound was of pretty low quality, almost mono, if not actually mono.
The remasters look pretty good, though, and quite a bit was done to them, to bring them up to date with modern techniques.

Far as I'm concerned, they are must-haves, even on PS4 and Xbox One, but my interest in the originals is because they do not only hold up in story, but also in being some of the most impressive, if not THE most impressive titles on the Dreamcast, and seen in that perspective, I couldn't possibly have any other opinion about these games...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

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Dezzy

So what are everyone's guesses as to what the last exclusives for the Xbox One will be?

I'd like to hope that Fable 4 will be announced at next E3 for an early 2020 release but I bet that'll end up being delayed to being a launch exclusive for the next console (which I think will launch christmas 2020)

Other than that, I think Halo Infinite will probably be the last main one and will be something like an October 2019 release.

DarthNocturnal wrote:

@Dezzy

Maybe it's because they aren't obsessed with romance options?

Of all the problems with Bioware, I don't think that's the main one.

It's dangerous to go alone! Stay at home.

Grumblevolcano

My guess is E3 2019 for Microsoft will be a bit like E3 2015 was for Nintendo and so the last XB1 console exclusives being games announced at E3 2018 and Forza 8.

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NEStalgia

@ThanosReXXX Oh no doubt the originals were impressive. It's such a shame that the sound sounds like it does. I presume the original masters were lost long ago. That said the sound also sounds like a 1970's kung fu film.....which is oddly appropriate and lends it some authenticity It can be grating for long play sessions though.

@Dezzy, yeah, I feel like Fable 4 is a launch of X2 (that said, can't be certain still that X1X and X2 aren't cross compatible. Most of MS's statements lean that way, and yet the CPU makes no sense being backward compatible.)

@DarthNocturnal LOL yeah, Bioware got a little obsessed with the dating simulator thing. You would think it's a Japanese game studio. Even in Baldur's Gate 2 I had a little harem following me until near the end of the game when you had to pick one (of course I played a high charisma mage, so.... ) Jaheira was almost stalker-ish.

More importantly I'm convinced Bioware had no idea how to build an RPG and it was mostly Black Isle that did the quality design work on Baldur's Gate, and LucasArts that did it for KotR. Jade Empire was perhaps a happy accident. Neverwinter was spotty and nowhere near the calibur expected of them. Bioware's RPG track record is so spotty, while Black Isle/Interplay had all the hits (Planescape Torment, half of Baldur's Gate, Fallout, Wasteland, Icewind.) It's telling that Obsidian and InXile have the mantle for the quality of RPG experience we expected from Bioware......both companies consisting of Black Isle/Interplay leadership and staff. And in all cases, Obsidian's successors to Bioware's outings on KotR and Neverwinter were vastly superior to the Bioware original.

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DarthNocturnal

@NEStalgia

Yeah, gameplay-wise, I actually enjoyed KOTOR 2 more then KOTOR 1. Plot-wise..... a few things didn't make sense or seemed pointless (it's fitting the big bad had the word nihil in his name. At least Kreia made more sense after I learned that the game's writer likes creating “author avatars“, so he can stealth-criticize anything he wants about a franchise's universe. ), so I still prefer KOTOR 1 in that regard.

In case you're wondering, I used the then-current version of the restoration mod. The one mod that I think should be mandatory for it's game (that, and the droid planet mod, which features more cut content). It really let's you see just what Obsidian wanted to do, but couldn't. Stupid Christmas rushes...

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NEStalgia

@DarthNocturnal Yeah, I enjoy KOTOR2 for what it should have been, not for what the publisher forced it to be. It's an incomplete game, but it's clear Obsidian had the far better game planned if the publisher had actually let them finish it.

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BlueOcean

link3710 wrote:

@BlueOcean Yeah, people have been saying that about the FF and KH games forever. Does that mean we might finally see 1.5+2.5 come over? (To both XB1 and Switch preferably so everyone can play them)

Yes, I think so, with Kingdom Hearts III around the corner it would make sense and those games can run on Switch although the latest episode featuring Aqua is a bit more demanding.

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