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RoryLee

221. Posted:

Nintendo games are the most appealing in the video game market. Not only the visual style of the games, but also the easiest for a non-gamer to join in and have some fun playing. Most likely you try to have someone new try Battlefield or The Last of Us, they are going to give up pretty fast.

And I think the main reason for the all the Nintendo hate is because the Sony and Microsoft fans want Nintendo games on their system.

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Action51

222. Posted:

What is being confused here are several things:

1) childish VS family friendly
2) mature vs juvenile


Let's take this first example: the Toy Story movies.

These films are colorful, lively and enjoyed by children everywhere. There is nothing parents can really object to in the story or on screen images.

However, I wouldn't call those movies childish, because they are clever enough to be enjoyed by all ages and have emotional impact as well as deeper meanings below the bright and colorful exterior.

Star Wars is another example of a movie that is widely considered family friendly while not necessarily being childish.


Now our second example: The Friday the 13th series of films.

These films are full of content that's not very appropriate for small children, but there is nothing mature about them. The Fast and Furious movies...which are less overtly problematic for small children to watch contain elements geared toward a juvenile audience nonetheless. The situations are contrived, the plot holes are enormous, and the characters do not behave realistically.

These movies contain overt amounts of blood, sexual innuendo, coarse language, and violence.

This by itself doesn't make them "bad" movies...but it only means they have deliberately chosen to include content that may be inappropriate for small children.


Third example: Dora the Explorer

This is a series made for small children. The content is geared toward very young people, and very young people only. This is a childish show.


Final example: Casablanca

This is a classic film that depicts the relationship of a man and a woman strained by the realities of love, self sacrifice, and impending war. There is absolutely nothing in this film that you would object to having a small child watch, but ultimately this is a more mature film then my previous examples.

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223. Posted:

GuSilverFlame wrote:

so, you consider Fire Emblem, Metroid, F-Zero and Star Fox cartoony? from what I've seen/played I don't.
and many Zelda games aren't cartoony

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All of those games are considered CARTOONY

Games like GTA, COD, Red Dead Redemption, Assassins Creed, etc would be considered realistic looking.

When people complain about a game being "cartoony" they are complaining about the art style, NOT the content or subject matter....

-Shooting pink fluffy bunnies with a gun that looks like a candy cane, and having the bunnies disappear in a puff of rainbow smoke = cartoony

-Shooting grey realistic looking bunnies with an M-16 and having their insides explode out all over the screen = mature/realistic looking

All you guys are getting hung up on "ohh the story in Zelda is about love and personal growth!! its mature!" and ignoring the fact that it's cartoon aesthetic is what people are talking about when they classify it as a "kid's game"

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224. Posted:

well then, other than the fact you picked the most cartoon like possible images(except for Fire Emblem and F-Zero, to me that's anime style, not cartoony) I don't know what's cartoony(pretty much possible since english isn't my original language)

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I don't find those games to be realistic looking (Starfox, F-Zero), but at the same time, there is nothing realistic about Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty. Police who give up chasing a mass murdering car thief after two blocks, and health that regenerates in seconds after being shot repeatedly by world dominating South American militants is kinda...not realistic either. Also, as far as Assassin's Creed goes...ancestry does not work that way!

Also, it's kind of telling you choose pixel art representations of Samus Aran and the Metroid series, and not any of the more recent examples like Prime or Other M.

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Read my post about the difference between mature/childish/family friendly/ juvenile...I totally agree with you on the art style, but the tone and context issue is a more nuanced one.

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226. Posted:

Fire emblem is the only that its anime style, Star Fox, F Zero and Zelda I would call Cartoony....... as i said there's nothing wrong with Cartoony, but some people just don't like it you need to have more variety of visual styles to attract different audiences and I do think the visual style is more important than 'mature content', people wont' suddenly like Star Fox because they throw Swearing and guns on it, but they may like a new franchise by Nintendo which is not M rated but its nonetheless realistic looking and takes itself seriously

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Fire emblem is the only that its anime style, Star Fox, F Zero and Zelda I would call Cartoony....... as i said there's nothing wrong with Cartoony, but some people just don't like it you need to have more variety of visual styles to attract different audiences and I do think the visual style is more important than 'mature content', people wont' suddenly like Star Fox because they throw Swearing and guns on it, but they may like a new franchise by Nintendo which is not M rated but its nonetheless realistic looking and takes itself seriously

well you're right on this(I was talking about that F-zero image specifically, it's even from the anime itself. XD)
some people judge things too much by the looks, I personally like all styles that aren't an eyesore(except, maybe N64 some games literally hurt the eyes I like it mostly because of nostalgia)

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228. Posted:

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@KennyPowers

I don't find those games to be realistic looking (Starfox, F-Zero), but at the same time, there is nothing realistic about Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty. Police who give up chasing a mass murdering car thief after two blocks, and health that regenerates in seconds after being shot repeatedly by world dominating South American militants is kinda...not realistic either. Also, as far as Assassin's Creed goes...ancestry does not work that way!

Also, it's kind of telling you choose pixel art representations of Samus Aran and the Metroid series, and not any of the more recent examples like Prime or Other M.

Read my post about the difference between mature/childish/family friendly/ juvenile...I totally agree with you on the art style, but the tone and context issue is a more nuanced one.

I went back and edited my post to clarify my stance.

When people say a game is "realistic" they are talking about the visuals and the design. When someone says Zelda is "cartoony" they are talking about the art style and look only, they aren't talking about the story.

That said, I play both cartoony and realistic looking games, so I don't care either way. However lots of gamers are put off by playing a colorful looking game with cute looking characters.

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229. Posted:

Nintendo more about art style then it looking realistic.....(lets act like Yoshi new island never existed)

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230. Posted:

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However lots of gamers are put off by playing a colorful looking game with cute looking characters.

Only because its a gut reaction to something that reminds them of something they once enjoyed as a child, but have now arbitrarily given up in order to signify their so-called maturity...

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231. Posted:

The real question is why a good portion of the Nintendo fandom is so cult like and has to white knight Nintendo at every turn.

The comments on that adleman thread are just embarrassing. Its like an echo chamber of defense.

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232. Posted:

shingi_70 wrote:

The real question is why a good portion of the Nintendo fandom is so cult like and has to white knight Nintendo at every turn.

The comments on that adleman thread are just embarrassing. Its like an echo chamber of defense.

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Artwark

233. Posted:

@KennyPowers

I seriously think that people are overreacting to this realistic and cartoon theme. Super Meat Boy and Braid for example are cartoony but have some depth of
mature content in them.

So what if a game is cartoonish. The point of it being cartoony is to express actions. Everything that's made to date is done through some animated graphics so to say the thing cartoony than to say it realistic really isn't much to me anymore because of it being more of the same thing with the only difference is the image.

I really wish people can stop cribbing that Nintendo's kiddie and all and just appreciate their method of making games. After all, its the longest video game company in existence and even if I'm wrong, they are atleast willing to experiment and try something different all the time and that's what I love about Nintendo.

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234. Posted:

Artwark wrote:

I really wish people can stop cribbing that Nintendo's kiddie and all and just appreciate their method of making games. After all, its the longest video game company in existence and even if I'm wrong, they are atleast willing to experiment and try something different all the time and that's what I love about Nintendo.

ok you lost me here, no one's forced to appreciate Nintendo.
I'm just here defending it because I like a good discussion, as soon as this starts dragging on and repeating itself way too much I'll abandon this thread

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Wow, I don't know where to begin in this thread. It's like an aftermath of a plane crash, and then a bus full of fanboys slams right into the plane.
This is the first time I walked into a thread where everyone is already mad...kind of takes the away the fun.

Well, I don't know about you guys, but Nintendo is one of the most respected toy company out there, however; it's fan base is what gives them a bad name. Just a bunch of angry school girls that hate the opinion of others. But that's is just my opinion.

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236. Posted:

LordJumpMad wrote:

Wow, I don't know where to begin in this thread. It's like an aftermath of a plane crash, and then a bus full of fanboys slams right into the plane.
This is the first time I walked into a thread where everyone is already mad...kind of takes the away the fun.

Well, I don't know about you guys, but Nintendo is one of the most respected toy company out there, however; it's fan base is what gives them a bad name. Just a bunch of angry school girls that hate the opinion of others. But that's is just my opinion.

that's why you should be the new owner of Nintendo and erase all the fanboys :p

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Cia

237. Posted:

San Andreas for PS2 is a better looking game than Wind Waker.
This was a common, widely accepted opinion in 2004.

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CanisWolfred wrote:

KennyPowers wrote:

However lots of gamers are put off by playing a colorful looking game with cute looking characters.

Only because its a gut reaction to something that reminds them of something they once enjoyed as a child, but have now arbitrarily given up in order to signify their so-called maturity...

Pretty much. A lot of people confuse 'mature' with 'realistic' in these arguments. A series like Tales of can never be taken seriously no matter how mature the themes are simply because its 'cartoony', because cartoons can't be taken seriously. If you took the same game and wrapped it in a realistic package it'd suddenly be 'mature'. Unfortunately thats what most people mean when they say Nintendo's games are 'kiddie', and it won't change so long as cartoony/animated=kiddie. I believe a certain quote from C.S Lewis comes to mind here.

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GuSilverFlame wrote:

Artwark wrote:

I really wish people can stop cribbing that Nintendo's kiddie and all and just appreciate their method of making games. After all, its the longest video game company in existence and even if I'm wrong, they are atleast willing to experiment and try something different all the time and that's what I love about Nintendo.

ok you lost me here, no one's forced to appreciate Nintendo.
I'm just here defending it because I like a good discussion, as soon as this starts dragging on and repeating itself way too much I'll abandon this thread

Yeah you're right... my bad.

Still though, atleast they try to do something innovative and take a lot of risks something that I personally don't see a lot out there do the same.

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Why is that it's only nintendos who's targeted for colorful games. I never here complaints about Sony and Microsoft when they make stuff like tearaway or Ratchet. Hell Fable is very colorful and cartoonish and it's one of MS staple franchises.

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