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Zombie_Barioth

201. Posted:

@SCAR392
Its not just kids, adults too, even self-confessed former fanboys. Its mostly the art style, the bright colors, cartoony graphics, and that sort of thing. A lot of their games sharing that style is why Nintendo as a whole is 'kiddie'. The funny thing is how thats used as an insult, as if being cartoony or brightly colored is bad. Games like Borderlands get a pass for being 'serious'.

Sony has their share of 'kiddie' games too, though I've never heard Crash or Spyro called that, or Rachet & Clank, or Little Big Planet. Nintendo's family friendly reputation is apart of it, and just their reputation in general coming from an era where gaming was a children's pastime. A lot of their marketing involves children playing their games and still does.

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Choosing what you want to play is a right. That's not even up for debate. However, who's to say the only type of games people want to play, is "mature", or has good graphics? After playing 6 CoD titles, won't those people want to play Pac-Man: Ghostly Adventures 2 or something?

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I get what you're saying, but that's where people born after that, show up. I was playing NES until 1999, when I got an N64 DK64 bundle. If I would have gotten PS1, first, I probably would have been all over that, but my parents saw how how much I liked NES, so they got a console from the same brand. PS1 games generally had more archaic 3D graphics, especially during a time when everyone was trying to rush out a full 3D machine. All those companies were basically requiring 3D games, in order to show the new graphics. See, I used to think graphics were really important, too, but after GCN and Xbox got beat out PS2, I didn't really look at graphics the same.

The way I saw it, Mario on GCN had better graphics and gameplay than Jak and Daxter on PS2. There wasn't a "mature" equivalent of games like these: http://www.ign.com/articles/2001/07/06/the-must-have-ps2-game... , on GCN, unless you want to count REmake, which came out fairly early in the life cycle.

There isn't even a specified game line-up for GCN 2001, as far as I know. http://www.ign.com/articles/2007/03/16/the-top-25-gamecube-ga...

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Zombie_Barioth

203. Posted:

@SCAR392
Thats what I was saying in my last post, not everyone had a previous experience with Nintendo to build on. Some people might have gotten a N64 due to Nintendo still being popular, but most likely got a PS1 and never played a Nintendo game, they didn't develop a taste for those kind of games. I pretty much grew up on both, not at the same time but I did start with Nintendo and SEGA. I played games like Digimon World, Spyro, or Tomba, thats why the 'kiddie' argument is so ridiculous to me.

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Thats absolutely true, it only becomes a problem when those preferences become more than just differences in taste and 'kiddie' becomes an insult more than a descriptor.

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DualWielding

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@SCAR392 my point is that if Nintendo wants the console to be successful it needs game of all types and that it presently has a problem because its first party output its not diverse enough to cover all bases and don't have the third party support needed to cover the gaps....

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The 'kiddie' association is fair, imo.

Though, if i was to call a Nintendo game childish today, it would have more to do with their sheer lack of difficulty/required skill than anything else. Just compare the latest entries of any (long running) Nintendo series, to one that released prior the Wii/DS. You'll understand what i mean.

Before, their sequels used to get bigger and more complex than the previous, but now the opposite is true. Nintendo trying to dumb down their audience in-order to obtain more sales with less effort, warrants no respect.

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SCAR392

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I completely agree that Nintendo should mix up their lineup, but the same goes for 3rd parties, Sony, and possibly Microsoft. Nintendo has more "mature" IPs, like Metroid, F-Zero, and Starfox. I know some might not consider those mature, but really, they're basically borderline rated M, kind of like Uncharted. 3rd parties need more "kiddie" games. I know Activision has Skylanders, but I tend to look at that as more of a cash grab, which is why I steer clear. EA will probably put out another Sims game, always has the sports games, but they might need something more. 2K made Carnival Games on Wii. I don't even know how that happened... My point is that Nintendo has too many "kiddie" games(I guess), and the other guys have an abundance of M titles. There has to be a balance. I agree that there can't be too much of one or the other, so we have to be fair and call out too much CoD.

Microsoft has Kinect Sports and Banjo, but there's got to be something else they can throw out, besides Halo and Gears. I think Lost Odyssey was a step in the right direction, for RPG fans, but I think it was a failure. I feel like Sony messed up, by letting Spyro and Crash to get away. They have a few "kiddie" games, but even Ape Escape is basically dead.

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I was mainly just adding to your point.

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207. Posted:

SCAR392 wrote:

Nintendo has more "mature" IPs, like Metroid, F-Zero, and Starfox. I know some might not consider those mature, but really, they're basically borderline rated M, kind of like Uncharted.

How do you figure?

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SCAR392

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Kodeen wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Nintendo has more "mature" IPs, like Metroid, F-Zero, and Starfox. I know some might not consider those mature, but really, they're basically borderline rated M, kind of like Uncharted.

How do you figure?

Starfox has guns and Metroid has alien guts. I guess F-Zero isn't really mature, but it does have a more realistic graphic style than Maraio Kart, and you can fly off course and explode. If they added blood tp Starfox or Metroid, those would probably make the jump to rated M.

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SCAR392 wrote:

Kodeen wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Nintendo has more "mature" IPs, like Metroid, F-Zero, and Starfox. I know some might not consider those mature, but really, they're basically borderline rated M, kind of like Uncharted.

How do you figure?

Starfox has guns and Metroid has alien guts. I guess F-Zero isn't really mature, but it does have a more realistic graphic style than Maraio Kart, and you can fly off course and explode. If they added blood tp Starfox or Metroid, those would probably make the jump to rated M.

And if Princess Peach wore a thong and was topless in SM3DW it would be rated 'AO'.

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Zombie_Barioth

210. Posted:

@SCAR392
cool, gotcha.

I wouldn't say any of Nintendo's IP are borderline M-rated. You'd be surprised what passes for T or below. Its mostly the seriousness of tone that determines rating I think, a little blood or gore wouldn't hurt much but in a setting like Metroid Prime it could be enough for a higher rating. Heck, Harvest Moon used to feature an actual bar, and in HM64 they had real drinks and everything, yet still passed with an E. The only one that earned a higher rating was A Wonderful Life, with a T, due to the more realistic style.

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SCAR392

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KennyPowers wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Kodeen wrote:

SCAR392 wrote:

Nintendo has more "mature" IPs, like Metroid, F-Zero, and Starfox. I know some might not consider those mature, but really, they're basically borderline rated M, kind of like Uncharted.

How do you figure?

Starfox has guns and Metroid has alien guts. I guess F-Zero isn't really mature, but it does have a more realistic graphic style than Maraio Kart, and you can fly off course and explode. If they added blood tp Starfox or Metroid, those would probably make the jump to rated M.

And if Princess Peach wore a thong and was topless in SM3DW it would be rated 'AO'.

Except you'd be going out of your way to make Peach nude. Starfox and Metroid have guns, and blood usually goes with that. Some games have blood and are rated T(Injustice: Gods Among Us), but generally blood will basically always result in rated M. They even get gashed to the bone.

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I understand. Like Injustice, games still have blood and are rated T. I'm surprised Halo is rated M, though. I guess that human combat with a bit of blood is what sets it just over the edge, because it's not that much more violent, aside from the assassinations, which didn't even show up until Reach.

EDIT: Also, we're talking by today's standards. Earthbound used to be rated E, but is now T, for example.

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The only potentially mature game that Nintendo was involved with is Captain Rainbow. (At least that I can think of relatively recently).

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213. Posted:

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The only potentially mature game that Nintendo was involved with is Captain Rainbow. (At least that I can think of relatively recently).

Well there's also Fire Emblem and Zelda if I'm correct.

Also Isn't Zelda a bit mature? if it had some blood in it, It be M for sure rather than T.

Seriously though, I don't think that the ESRB is the one that is going to convince gamers to buy the game. If anything it will make parents aware of the game's content and they will try avoiding their kids to get such games at all costs.

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Zombie_Barioth

214. Posted:

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Yea, I've never understood it either. Maybe its the amount of blood, or more likely its the flood. I know were talking about today's standards, like I said that was the highest rating for a Harvest Moon game ever. I seriously have no idea how they managed to keep RF4 at E+10, a lot of gags are so blatant that they don't even go your your head. The ESRB ratings are so weird its hard to tell whats what half the time. They haven't changed that much though and theres not much difference between most ratings either.

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Jaz007

215. Posted:

T games can have more blood than you think. Many T rated games have splashes of it when you shoot someone (like Uncharted.) In some it even looks a little chunky and gets a blood and gore in the rating (like Lair). In Mount & Blade: Warband also stains on weapons so it's completely red, and also on clothes and faces.

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cool, gotcha.

I wouldn't say any of Nintendo's IP are borderline M-rated. You'd be surprised what passes for T or below. Its mostly the seriousness of tone that determines rating I think, a little blood or gore wouldn't hurt much but in a setting like Metroid Prime it could be enough for a higher rating. Heck, Harvest Moon used to feature an actual bar, and in HM64 they had real drinks and everything, yet still passed with an E. The only one that earned a higher rating was A Wonderful Life, with a T, due to the more realistic style.

Tone isn't supposed to have anything to do with an ESRB rating. I'm also guessing you haven't plate the Arkham games. A Wonder Life was also rate E. No Harvest Moon game had even gotten an E-10 rating yet.

@ArtWark Twilight Princes had blood in it. It wasn't red, but it still had blood.

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Zombie_Barioth

216. Posted:

Jaz007 wrote:

T games can have more blood than you think. Many T rated games have splashes of it when you shoot someone (like Uncharted.) In some it even looks a little chunky and gets a blood and gore in the rating (like Lair). In Mount & Blade: Warband also stains on weapons so it's completely red, and also on clothes and faces.

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cool, gotcha.

I wouldn't say any of Nintendo's IP are borderline M-rated. You'd be surprised what passes for T or below. Its mostly the seriousness of tone that determines rating I think, a little blood or gore wouldn't hurt much but in a setting like Metroid Prime it could be enough for a higher rating. Heck, Harvest Moon used to feature an actual bar, and in HM64 they had real drinks and everything, yet still passed with an E. The only one that earned a higher rating was A Wonderful Life, with a T, due to the more realistic style.

Tone isn't supposed to have anything to do with an ESRB rating. I'm also guessing you haven't plate the Arkham games. A Wonder Life was also rate E. No Harvest Moon game had even gotten an E-10 rating yet.

@ArtWark Twilight Princes had blood in it. It wasn't red, but it still had blood.

Whoops, your right, I must have thinking about Melee or Twilight Princess.:$
The Rune Factory 4 has, although they're spin-offs they're still Harvest Moon.

I forgot about the Arkham games, your right about that too. Eh, it was just a guess, though when I said tone I meant whats actually happening. Take Persona for example, the way the characters unleash their personas. Cartoon violence or not they still appear to be shooting themselves in the head. That'll shock people more than a little splatter of blood. Of course Wind Waker has Link stabbing Ganon in the head, so its probably still not the biggest factor.

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MikeLove

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"If Sesame Street had blood and swearing in it, it would be rated TV-M and kids couldn't watch it."

Seriously, why are some of you acting like Nintendo would have several 'mature' games if they just added blood and gore to certain series? It's ridiculous! Your arguments mean nothing because you could add blood and gore to ANY game that has ever existed and see it get a mature rating!!

It doesn't mean that an E rated game is close to being rated M at all! It just shows that throwing gratuitous violence into a game pretty much guarantees a mature rating, no matter how family friendly the rest of the content is.

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GuSolarFlare

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lol why people think a good complex story that kids won't understand(or with a hidden meaning that kids won't understand) isn't mature?
I mean of course subtle things that adults will enjoy but kids won't give any thought about won't guarentee an M rating but that's because kids won't understand anyway so no harm will be done.
and I'm talking about things like Majora's Mask representing death, not phrases with double meaning like "my Emolga really wants to Shock your Dedenne" :p
though most of the times not even adults will catch those things(now I'm including the double meanings phrases), I myself only found the ones pointed out to me... XD

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DualWielding

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what matters is not the ESRB rating, what matter is whether the game appeal to different people..... some people just don't like cartoons, Nintendo needs to offer games that look different...... (for example if someone simply doesn't like western animation they wouldn't like Family Guy just because its M rated...... just adding guns or violence to star fox wouldn't cut it..... they need game that aesthetically appeals to people who don't like cartoony art style (and even though they are Japanese, Nintendo's games art style always looks like western animation rather than anime, so it doesn't really appeal to the otaku crowd either)

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so, you consider Fire Emblem, Metroid, F-Zero and Star Fox cartoony? from what I've seen/played I don't.
and many Zelda games aren't cartoony
though Star Fox and F-Zero don't count as it's been quite a few years since they had a brand new game...

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