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Reala

161. Posted:

MusicLov3r wrote:

Maybe not to you, but to me their 3rd-party support is good..

You'd have been in heaven during the gamecube era if you think wii u's 3rd party support is good, they had more than 3 big 3rd parties constantly supporting, gamecube era would have knocked your socks off, heck they even had continued multi platform support by golly :o

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HylianJowi wrote:

I just want Nintendo to get their head in the online game. Specifically, there's no reason a company of their high profile should lack a unified account system. I can buy a PSone classic game online from my computer, then download it to my PSP or PS3 using any number of easy methods. With Nintendo, their online store is stuck in the early 2000s, and it's very hard to justify purchasing digital games from them when they offer little protection for your money.

They are working on it, though. The 3DS can use the NNID to activate or deactivate your system. The Wii U doesn't have it yet, but they are getting there. They announced eShop purchases from any device with internet, back at E3 2012(the same time they announced Miiverse for 3DS, PC, etc.).

So, ya. They are working on getting these things working, but in a very slow and in a uninformative manner.
The NNID tracks your money, too, they just haven't set it up, so that consumers have immediate access on their Wii U(3DS already does this).

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163. Posted:

Here are few examples, OP. Do you think Nintendo deserves respect for any of the following practices?

  • Region locking
  • Overpriced games
  • Lacking a proper account system
  • Making no effort whatsoever to communicate with their customers
  • An almost constantly barren game line-up
  • Dumbing down or ignoring games/series that had any depth to them (Metroid, Fire Emblem etc.)

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SCAR392 wrote:

HylianJowi wrote:

I just want Nintendo to get their head in the online game. Specifically, there's no reason a company of their high profile should lack a unified account system. I can buy a PSone classic game online from my computer, then download it to my PSP or PS3 using any number of easy methods. With Nintendo, their online store is stuck in the early 2000s, and it's very hard to justify purchasing digital games from them when they offer little protection for your money.

They are working on it, though. The 3DS can use the NNID to activate or deactivate your system. The Wii U doesn't have it yet, but they are getting there. They announced eShop purchases from any device with internet, back at E3 2012(the same time they announced Miiverse for 3DS, PC, etc.).

So, ya. They are working on getting these things working, but in a very slow and in a uninformative manner.
The NNID tracks your money, too, they just haven't set it up, so that consumers have immediate access on their Wii U(3DS already does this).

The thing is, MS, Sony, Valve, and pretty much everybody else all got it right the first time. We're kinda on the third iteration of the Nintendo software download system and they still don't have it.

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165. Posted:

How is Nintendo ignoring Fire Emblem or Metroid? Both had new instalments recently (Metroid: Other M and Fire Emblem: Awakening) and Fire Emblem is still getting a cross-over game on Wii U with SMT. If you want to whine over neglected Nintendo series talk about F-Zero or Starfox.

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166. Posted:

Doma wrote:

Here are few examples, OP. Do you think Nintendo deserves respect for any of the following practices?

  • Region locking
  • Overpriced games
  • Lacking a proper account system
  • Making no effort whatsoever to communicate with their customers
  • An almost constantly barren game line-up
  • Dumbing down or ignoring games/series that had any depth to them (Metroid, Fire Emblem etc.)

ok 3.5 points that are off the mark here:
Nintendo games are cheaper than Sony and Microsoft games, at least where I live(NOT COUNTING DIGITAL)
they have Nintendo Directs, if that's not an effort to reach out the costumers I don't know what it is
their lineup isn't barren so often(or at least wasn't until some years ago... >.>)
Fire Emblem isn't ignored and the only real dumbing down I've seen is the 100% optional casual mode in Awakening, can't talk about Metroid because I haven't played Other M.

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167. Posted:

Doma wrote:

  • Making no effort whatsoever to communicate with their customers

They don't communicate with their consumers? What's Nintendo Direct about then? For what purpose do they maintain Twitter/Facebook accounts (with Cranky Kong on it)? Why do they advertise on television and other media?

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168. Posted:

Hey guys, Im pretty new to posting on forums and this site but I been a nintendo gamer for a long long time, I would like to add my 2 cents, I dont believe Nintendo's main problems are old IP's or hardware weaknesses, I think Nintendo's decline is being caused by the image gamers have of Nintendo, Nintendo isnt a "cool" company anymore, Sony took gaming from a past time or family entertainment (NES Slogan) and made it into an activity, a hobby and a hobby that anyone could jump into regardless of age, just like what we did to Atari (excuse me adding myself to Nintendo but I do feel like they are my team to cheer for) This has happened all around, why people chose facebook over myspace, who knows, why people buy dre beats over any other headphone? its hard to explain or predict peoples opinion of whats cool, but I do know that Sony, Facebook, Dre beats and more aimed directly at teenagers, and teenagers lead the way now a days, back in my day it was kids and teens copying adults now is adults and kids acting like teens, Nintendo needs to refresh their image, kinda like Apple did, many of you might not remember but before the first ipod Apple was a long gone memory, Nintendo needs to separate themselves from the whole "gamer world" like instead of calling it mp3 apple called it Ipod, intead of a pc its a mac and aim to the leading consumers now a days, its not an easy task, apple succeeded but god knows how many companies failed, but Nintendo still has the talent, the licenses and support from 4-5 million true loyal fans, (thats all there is really) The Wii was an interesting idea, I wished they'd have treat it more as a long project than a gimmick, The Wii U's fate is sealed, it will be the third place console, it's ok, as long as it breaks even or brings a little profit or even a minor loss, Nintendo can take it. but next console Nintendo must change their image, new ideas must be presented, for example an MMO Pokemon somehow linked to the portable version as well, Pokemon is still hot, find clever ways to advertise it and people might start finding it interesting, support indies the way they are now, find some exclusives, convince Sega to do a new Phantasy Star online exclusive to us, invest in a sports division, how is it that we cant play a football/soccer/basketball/baseball game in a Nintendo console and pls dont put Mario in it, stop milking Mario and platformers, its a dying genre, we need a first person shooter to at least put us in the game, bring back RPG's. there has to be a way.

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Doma

169. Posted:

@GuSilverFlame @Samurai_Goroh

  • Where i live their games are overpriced to hell, and they never get reduced regardless of age.
  • I said dumbing down or ignore. Other M is a dumbed down POS in every aspect, imo. The series was ignored by them thereafter.

As for Fire Emblem, the dumbing down applies to more than just a difficulty setting. I could provide you a huge list of how exactly, but nevermind. I'll just state a couple of the main issues: Game balance (many things affected this), storyline (almost non-existent, it didn't engage me in the slightest) and shallow characters.

  • I mean communication as in two-way. They barely respond to, or give customer the opportunity to ask questions of them. Nintendo direct are one-way.

I hope that clarifies my points better.

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170. Posted:

@Kodeen
3rd iteration? Wii and DSi weren't going to have an account system, period. 3DS and Wii U are technically their first attempt at offering an account system, which they are slowly and uninformatively implementing.

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SCAR392 wrote:

@Kodeen
3rd iteration? Wii and DSi weren't going to have an account system, period. 3DS and Wii U are technically their first attempt at offering an account system, which they are slowly and uninformatively implementing.

The Wii and DSi weren't going to, but they should have since their contemporaries had it (I dread the day my Wii with all those VC games finally kicks the bucket and the console has been EOL'd by Nintendo). I'm counting it.

Phase 2 is Wii U and 3DS are seperate, purchases tied to console, no cross-buy.
Phase 3 is Wii U and 3DS are linked, purchases tied to console, no cross-buy.

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172. Posted:

GuSilverFlame wrote:

Doma wrote:

Here are few examples, OP. Do you think Nintendo deserves respect for any of the following practices?

  • Region locking
  • Overpriced games
  • Lacking a proper account system
  • Making no effort whatsoever to communicate with their customers
  • An almost constantly barren game line-up
  • Dumbing down or ignoring games/series that had any depth to them (Metroid, Fire Emblem etc.)

ok 3.5 points that are off the mark here:
Nintendo games are cheaper than Sony and Microsoft games, at least where I live(NOT COUNTING DIGITAL)
they have Nintendo Directs, if that's not an effort to reach out the costumers I don't know what it is
their lineup isn't barren so often(or at least wasn't until some years ago... >.>)
Fire Emblem isn't ignored and the only real dumbing down I've seen is the 100% optional casual mode in Awakening, can't talk about Metroid because I haven't played Other M.

In the US, its the reverse. I think there is a point to be made about the price of Nintendo's games. While I don't think they are overpriced when it comes to new games, Nintendo is pretty much the only one of the big three that does not matain a budget line on their systems. The Player's Choice label is long gone, and the Nintendo Selects were very limited in scope, and did not cover the DS and 3DS systems.

Sony and Microsoft games tend to get cheaper as time goes on, and when you also factor in the fact that both of them have a budget line, and tend to do releases that bundle older games in a single package or bundle DLC content with a game, and it kinda puts Nintendo's pricing in perspective.

Now, the most common argument I see people use is that Nintendo has no reason to drop the price of older games since they still keep selling. That works for evergreen titles like Pokémon, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and games like that. But I have trouble believing that's the case for every single Nintendo game that comes out.

Not to mention, Nintendo had a full-budget line on the SNES, Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, Nintendo 64, and Gamecube. The one on the Gamecube was pretty comparable to the budget lines on the PS2 and the Xbox. But during the Wii and DS era, Nintendo killed the Player's Choice line, and developed a terrible habit of keeping much older games at full price.

That's where this argument comes from. In terms of new games, all three are comparable. But when it comes to older games, especially the ones put out by Nintendo, their games tend to be overpriced compared to the older games on Sony and Microsoft platforms.

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173. Posted:

Nintendo games are overpriced, they are the same as the other at launch but Nintendo never discounts them...... they may be justified in that people keep on buying them at full prices years after release but that doesn't change the fact that the prices alienate budget concious gamers...... Sony just had an amazing sale where I got Tokyo Jungle, Back to the Future and Braid for 0.99 each, the sum for all three games was less than Nintendo charges for a NES VC titile even when they are on sale.......

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Nintendo games are overpriced, they are the same as the other at launch but Nintendo never discounts them...... they may be justified in that people keep on buying them at full prices years after release but that doesn't change the fact that the prices alienate budget concious gamers...... Sony just had an amazing sale where I got Tokyo Jungle, Back to the Future and Braid for 0.99 each, the sum for all three games was less than Nintendo charges for a NES VC titile even when they are on sale.......

That was such a great sale! I also got Back to the Future and Tokyo Jungle over the weekend~

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175. Posted:

Why people aren't respecting Nintendo? Well, there is barely any communication with them - I mean, after years of begging, they finally brought Earthbound, and that was probably only because the WiiU wasn't selling that well, so they wanted to bring something to play, so why not something that wasn't released in EU at all? Same with Operation Rainfall - they say it's not the reason they released these games, but I think without it, the games would never brought any attention to themselves without this.

Region lock is another story and really stupid idea. Same with account system - tying purches to the console is horrendous. It could be good in 2005 or even 2007, but in 2012 people expect better.

Prices are not that big of a deal to me, though - in my opinion, the games are worth it. At least they're awesome and have replay value, so you get your money's worth.

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176. Posted:

@kodeen
Purchases aren't tied to 3DS systems, anymore. They are working towards it. I don't see what the rush is, as long as they are actually working on it, which they are.

Cross-buy isn't even standard. PS Vita and PS3(not sure if PS4 does it) do it, but not all the games are even compatible. Notice how PS2 and some potential cross-buy games, aren't cross-buy. Even though PS has more cross-buy software, the type of cross-buy everyone is expecting from Nintendo, is alot more fleshed out.

PS Vita can play PS1, minis, and a few cross-buy games.
Everyone expects Nintendo to allow NES, SNES, N64, Sega Genesis, GBA, etc. to run on both, and have potential eShop download games be cross-buy.
Guess which situation would be harder to accomplish? The answer is Nintendo's, because even PS hasn't offered as much as you all expect from Nintendo.

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177. Posted:

No, what I expect is cross buy from one console to the same console (replacement, 2nd console for a 2nd room, etc...), which is standard across everything else, and has been since those various systems first implemented download software.

For example, that Wii I was talking about. If it dies and Nintendo has EOL'd it, meaning they are not longer accepting repair orders, then I am SOL. That is simply unacceptable.

The other type of cross-buy, the same game across different type of systems, would be a nice bonus, and even an 'upgrade fee' would be fine. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about having access to your games without having to mail a game console to Nintendo.

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@SCAR392 purchases are still tied to the system in the 3DS as well as on the Wii U, yes now they are tied to the NNID, but NNID is tied to console so the NNID does nothing for you in case you don't have access to the console or can't send it back to Nintendo... and I still waiting to hear any official statement from Nintendo saying they are working on the issue.... at this point there is no indication that Nintendo doesn't plan to untie games from the consoles.....even worst they launched the Pokemon Bank system which is supposed to be a 'cloud' storage system for your pokemon, but your pokemon are also tied to your hardware just as digital games...... if they feel its o.k to charge for a 'cloud' storage system for pokemon that does not even do what 'cloud' storage is suppose to do (allowing you to access the content on different systems) then Nintendo really seem to have no respect for consumers......

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179. Posted:

@ferthepoet
Dude, if you lose your console, they'll activate the new one, if you call them and tell them the new serial number. They wouldn't have done this, a few months ago, so that proves they are working on it. There have been a couple people, here on the boards, that have confirmed this. I'm not BSing you.

The only issue, is that it's not available for Wii U(as far as I know), and you can't do it, without calling Nintendo.

They've been saying that they are listening to what consumers want from an account system. That's why if someone is telling you info, and you still don't listen, then it's pointless to even talk about the subject.

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@SCAR392 if that is true then that would be a great improvement..... but when have Nintendo said they would transfer your account just by telling them the serial number over the phone, I have not heard anything about that

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