If the US didn't land on the Moon would no one have?
An interesting point you bring up. Fantastic argument actually. I guess that means you've heard of the Space Race? Between the Soviet Union and the US for space exploration? Guess what? Fuelled by competition. If neither side was constantly pushing, no one is saying nobody would have landed on the moon, but the history around space exploration would be vastly different without that "small step for man."
My point exactly the same goes with video games, the history around video game industry would be vastly different as well, it would exist without Nintendo it would just be different.
Thanks for putting it that way it helped me explain what I have been trying to explain all this time.
what Nintendo did was simple and someone else would have done it
This is way different from the point you said you were making.
Neither the Moon Landing or reviving consoles in the US was "simple." It takes a lot of hard work, energy, and a special something. In this universe, it just happened to be the US and Nintendo. I never said gaming just flat out wouldn't exist without Nintendo. I was just pointing out that Microsoft, Sega, and Sony all got where they were and made gaming what it is today with Nintendo.
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video games being different doesn't necessarily mean that Nintendo's stuff would have eventually been done by someone else. Nintendo has taken a lot of big risks that no other company would ever do. The Wii U for example is something no one has ever wanted as a third party dev and that Sony nor Microsoft have ever done. Sony and Microsoft mocked at motion controls and look how Nintendo took that risk and made the fantastic Wii.
@kyuubikid213 I agree, without competition, game companies would have nothing new to offer.
@kyuudikid213: Um yeah I see your point but MS and Sony didn't get where they are today cause of Nintendo. MS and Sony got where they are today cause of their main stapes, Operating Systems for Microsoft electronics for Sony. And as far as Sega goes they were doing video games as long as Nintendo in fact their first system debuted the same day in Japan as the Famicom, So I can't really see how you can say Sega got to where they are cause of Nintendo. (Well maybe the fact that they no longer do consoles you can say that but you know what I mean), Even if you take Nintendo out of the equation Sega would have still been manufacturing consoles back then still the same. Now they may not have brought them to NA as early as they did without Nintendo but they would have brought them over eventually. As I said the history would just be different.
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A lot of arguments can be made about other companies coming along to revitalize the US gaming industry had Nintendo not done that in it's place. What I don't think anyone can deny, unless you were born after 1995, is that Nintendo is the reason you became so passionate about video games. Some of my earliest memories are playing the NES and SNES at my grandma's house with my uncle who was only 9 years older than me. When he got a Nintendo 64 I slept almost every weekend, playing WCW vs NWO: World Tour, Mario Kart, Mario Party, and so many other awesome games. Even when I lost interest for a few years playing games so religiously, I still had every Nintendo system in my house. They are a huge part of my childhood and I'll always give them the benefit of the doubt that they were the only company that could have brought that kind of magic to the industry.
Although Nintendo played a huge role in the video game industry, video games would have existed without them. Coleco and Mattel were making handheld games long before the Game & Watch and Game Boy, and force feedback was common in arcade games around before the Rumble Pak. They're not really Nintendo innovations.
As for the video game crash, it only affected North America, and only consoles. PC gaming was still going strong Sega was doing pretty well, meaning the Master System hypothetically could have become a huge success without the existence of the NES. Nintendo changed the video game landscape but the industry would have survived without them.
The problem with those handheld games back then was that they could only play one game for each unit. And Coleco was under bankruptcy at the time of the crash and games were expensive unlike the gameboy which used LCD screens and the cross D-pad.
as for rumble pak, force feedback even existed before arcade games and the problem with arcade games was that they were only suitable for a specific game like SEGA's Moto-Cross. Nintendo perfected that concept by making it on a home console and that it was completely different.
@Tatsuki
Their gaming divisions would be different or nonexistent.
Competition with Nintendo led Sega to making the Genesis and Sonic. (And as a side note, the creator of Sonic was inspired by Super Mario Bros. He kept trying to get faster and faster times on 1-1 leading to the high speed Sonic games we know.) If Nintendo hadn't approached Sony about the CD addon to the SNES (because of Sega's different CD attachments and other addons), Sony wouldn't have gone into gaming. If Sony hadn't gone into gaming, the Playstation wouldn't have been a hit on the market scaring Microsoft into making the Xbox (because they were afraid console gaming was going to overtake PC gaming).
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@Artwark You're obviously letting fandom blind you. You know what the Wright brothers and other great minds did was impressive but that doesn't mean there was other great minds also working towards same goal at that time but those are the ones who reached it first so they are the ones who end up in history books.
Just because one is the group who reached it first doesn't mean the others are incompetent. You can respect their achievements but can also be realist about things. The world would still go round, we would still have video games and that's the simple truth. There was talented minds at other companies and markets revive after a crash eventually. Are we still in the great depression? No. Are people people still buying homes after the housing market crashed a few years back? Yes.
@kyuubikid213 You're trying to use quantum physics as an excuse and unless you have been to an alternate dimension where you have seen this take place then you are not qualified at all to proclaim that's the way it is.
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One thing's for sure...Gunpei Yokoi would still be alive because Nintendo wouldn't be around to assassinate him for failing with the Virtual Boy.
Nintendo didn't kill him at all! Infact they never fired him. He just left the company for whatever reasons and tried to make the wonderswan to compete with the system but failed to do so and while he was in the car, an accident occurred.
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@Artwark You're obviously letting fandom blind you. You know what the Wright brothers and other great minds did was impressive but that doesn't mean there was other great minds also working towards same goal at that time but those are the ones who reached it first so they are the ones who end up in history books.
Just because one is the group who reached it first doesn't mean the others are incompetent. You can respect their achievements but can also be realist about things. The world would still go round, we would still have video games and that's the simple truth. There was talented minds at other companies and markets revive after a crash eventually. Are we still in the great depression? No. Are people people still buying homes after the housing market crashed a few years back? Yes.
but it was Santos Dumont the real first one not the Wright Brothers
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@kyuubikid213 You're trying to use quantum physics as an excuse and unless you have been to an alternate dimension where you have seen this take place then you are not qualified at all to proclaim that's the way it is.
Oh the arm chair experts rage wars.
I don't have to visit alternate universes to speculate on what may have happened. But it is history and fact that Nintendo laid the groundwork for gaming today. Anyone who states otherwise or claims anyone could have done it is ignorant. Simple as that.
Without Nintendo, there is a good chance there would be no Xbox or PlayStation.
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@Artwark You're obviously letting fandom blind you. You know what the Wright brothers and other great minds did was impressive but that doesn't mean there was other great minds also working towards same goal at that time but those are the ones who reached it first so they are the ones who end up in history books.
Just because one is the group who reached it first doesn't mean the others are incompetent. You can respect their achievements but can also be realist about things. The world would still go round, we would still have video games and that's the simple truth. There was talented minds at other companies and markets revive after a crash eventually. Are we still in the great depression? No. Are people people still buying homes after the housing market crashed a few years back? Yes.
@kyuubikid213 You're trying to use quantum physics as an excuse and unless you have been to an alternate dimension where you have seen this take place then you are not qualified at all to proclaim that's the way it is.
Oh the arm chair experts rage wars.
This isn't fandom blindness. the fact that people claim that someone else would've done it even without Nintendo and would claim that gaming would still exist is just lame. And I say this because of several things Nintendo did to avoid the game crash again.
1.Region-Lock because with that there wouldn't be many bad games on their systems like how Atari and others had(Even though there would still be bad games)
2. Policies- Nintendo was known to make policies and content alteration for games that in today's standards while not followed up is still under consideration.
if Nintendo had not come up with this, there would be another video game crash or the government would ban certain games that are not suitable.
One thing's for sure...Gunpei Yokoi would still be alive because Nintendo wouldn't be around to assassinate him for failing with the Virtual Boy.
Nintendo didn't kill him at all! Infact they never fired him. He just left the company for whatever reasons and tried to make the wonderswan to compete with the system but failed to do so and while he was in the car, an accident occurred.
@kyuubikid213: And anyone who thinks that only the minds at Nintendo could have done this is ignorant. I guess you never heard of the saying great minds think alike?
@Artwark: That is what Nintendo did to correct the actions of the Video Game Crash. How we know that Sega wasn't thinking of similar things? Or maybe would have gone a different route entirely to correct the actions. Thing is we don't know. You are passing off speculation as facts because you are blind by fanboyism. I am sorry to say but Nintendo is not the end all god of video games you think they are.
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everyone knows Videogames would be gone without Nintendo. but a guy that travels through dimensions told me interactive movies are all the rage in the world Nintendo never existed.
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Hmm… What would've happened without Nintendo? Well I probably be very healthy and got a lot of dates. I wouldn't beat Super Mario World when I was three years old. We wouldn't fight over Mario Party and... Wait are we talking about our personal lives or the history of video games?
Let's play a game here...Imagine what could have happened if Nintendo had never existed into gaming and post it here. The ones that make sense to you are the ones that you can ignore but the ones you feel need to be done right can be argued as much as you want.
I'll Start first. Lots of things wouldn't have happened without Nintendo.
1.Revolutionary concepts like handhelds, Rumble pak, save feature etc.
2.Sony wouldn't have gotten into gaming.
3.Sega wouldn't have made Sonic the Hedgehog without Mario.
4.Many who wanted to do gaming as a career wouldn't even think about becoming one without Shigeru Miyamoto.
5.Most video game companies wouldn't exist without Nintendo.
6.Games wouldn't be inferential without Nintendo around.
The North American and Japanese gaming markets would have looked more like Europe during the late 80's / early 90's, dominated by home computers like the Commodore 64 and later Amiga families, it would have sucked missing some of those Nintendo gems, but great games would have been developed regardless.
@Tatsuki
I'm not saying only Nintendo could have done this (hence my prior statement of "gaming would be different today"). I'm saying Nintendo is the only one that DID. Sega wasn't pushing to go to the US market. Microsoft wasn't trying to do a separate gaming system. Were it not for Nintendo's efforts, someone else would likely have done SOMETHING in the future and gaming would be drastically different. For gaming to reach the point where it is today, what Nintendo did back in the 80s is something only Nintendo could do because no one else was going to.
@BinaryFragger
Those guys are all important because without them gaming probably wouldn't exist AT ALL, but Nintendo laid the groundwork for gaming as we know it. Of course they couldn't do this alone. They had help from all the other companies that saw Nintendo's profits and jumped in to join the contest.
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