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NEStalgia

@Dezzy One party has control of influence, media, communications, education, police, the legal system, finance, much of the medical system, agriculture, science, and thus public group think. The other party has control of the military and commodity industries, traditional manufacturing/heavy industry, and the dominant (but impotent) religion(s). That, politically, is the core imbalance. It's more or less one party rule, like any authoritarian country. We just make a show of it where China doesn't, like post-Glasnost CCCP. The second party gains its power not as an opposition party, but by whichever can put up a political-theater show of minimal opposition while actually acting in step with the primary party, with the actual opposition members able to, at best, stall the primary party for a few years without making actual changes long term. You can see the schism clearly with "Net Neutrality". Party A works in service of big media, big data, tech corps. Party B works in service of big telecom/utility. Neither party represents the public, nor differing ideas, they're each just under retainer for opposing corporations. That's why every election they trot out "the issues", the repeating, unresolvable pre-selected list of hot button topics to create visible differences between parties and candidates. It's easy for them to take polarizing stands on those social controversies without needing to demonstrate actual policy intent differences, because there effectively are none.

That's at the actual governmental/political level. The problematic portion is among the public, where unlike the politicians, there really are two, I'd say three dramatically different cultures, with dramatically different personality types between them, with entirely incompatible objectives, effectively entirely different civilizations that aren't cleanly divided by geography but by way of life. Once they figure out that fighting each other via elections of pre-selected monoparty candidates is a placebo, eventually they'll start fighting each other for real.

The real politics are like console wars between XBox and PS. They're more or less the same machine with a few differences, but people fervently defend "their side" without recognizing there aren't actually two sides, it's just a different implementation of the same thing. There's two or three VERY different factions of public culture and goals, increasingly violently at war with each other, in an increasingly scorched-earth battle. But that's entirely disconnected from the actual politics of which there's almost no difference at all. That is the part that will fuel crisis: The politics aren't actually representing the divide, they just opportunistically flame it for short term gain and influence. Like a news article by Liam or Damo.

My favorite political word of the past decade or so is "managed decline." When your leaders set a goal of reducing your status, influence, and wealth as their actual long term policy intent, doesn't that make them hostile enemies?.......I mean even King George did better than that....and that still didn't end well for him....

For now it's "skirmish battles" like the ridiculous censorship and "beams of light" and the Mr. Game & Watch "scandal", while RDR2 has full on brothels with full nudity and displays of actual sex acts, and GTAV has strip clubs with virtual lap dances as save points. Heaven forbid a nipple is visible in a Japanese game. (But we're ok with #mariosnipples.) That's a culture war with an odd anti-Japanese bent for some unknown reason. Do we have to put the black drapes up now? Never know when a Zero might close in on southern Indiana? Good thing I save all my rubber bands and aluminum foil!

@diwdiws If you can find this year's E3 EA show, they had a few Bioware people at a roundtable and talked a bit more about story and highlighting that it's still an RPG, with NPC,s questing, you can play solo and it's still your story, but there's other people there in a shared world, etc. They played up heavily that it's a shared world but it's your game still. I don't believe them still, but they tried to sell that. All I see is still Destiny with mechs....but I'll hold out hope.

RDR2: You can't change the controls to traditional FPS layout. That's one of the complaints. "Traditional FPS" keeps all the weird controls and just swaps run/crouch so run is on L3 and crouch is on X. And you just can't fix that weird "aim to interact/talk" thing that dosn't work. Even if you remap your controller externally, that's still ungainly.

@Octane Yeah, the aiming thing is just so awful. @Ralizah basically you use L2 to aim your weapon. However to interact with objects including talk to NPCs, you also have to aim at them. The idea behind this sounded cool (kind of like how FFXIII-Versus sounded cool....on paper.) In real life you don't bump your chest against everyone to talk to them like in video games. You look and talk from a distance. So in RDR2, the idea was you look at people/objects to talk/interact from a distance like Z-Targeting in Ocarina. Except it doesn't lock on, it has x-ray vision, and ocarina didn't have you draw your bow when you Z-target. It's "smart" context sensitive. My two bad experiences (from the XBox thread) are: A sidequest of a broken down wagon that lost its other horse. The quest giver is talking to me. I approach. I go to aim to "talk" to him. He's still talking so I can't aim yet. So he's done and I hit R2 to aim....the game decides what I really wanted to do was draw my gun and point it at his head. He freaks out gets on his other horse and flees, ending the quest opportunity maybe forever. In the inverse, one quest has an NPC taken hostage in a chokehold. I go to aim my gun. Instead the game brings up the interact menu. It then wants me to hit R2 (the fire button!) to activate gun aiming, within which, if I hit R2 again, I fire.

The other situation was a gallows hanging (not story, just something you can stumble into.) The man hangs, the crowd leaves, the widow remains. I aim at her...but I can't interact with her. I aim at the deputy on the platform and I get the "praise/scold" dialog options. Weird. I aim at the hung man, and again get "praise/scold". Really weird. I do "study", and it now tells me the hung man is a cat. I then "study" the deputy. He is apparently also a cat. (Red Dead Red-nyamption? Arthpurr? Pawsible glitch?) After a while I realize that the "aim" feature doesn't respect visible occlusions, and since at that moment neither the deputy nor hung man had an "interact" hook tied to them, the aiming just found the next line of sight object nearby, and focused on a cat roaming in the grass behind the gallows platform where the wall blocked my view of it.

Meanwhile most of the time when I "aim" to talk from a distance, greet/provoke is grayed out until I bump chests with the target anyway.....a totally wasted mechanic that causes some problems. "Aim, then hit fire to actually aim, then hit fire again to actually fire" kind of makes hostage situations troublesome.

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redd214

This is pretty cool, N7 armor skin will be here in Anthem

Also any recommendations for hdds? The 500 GB in our slim is making some strange noises and I want to replace it before it becomes a bigger issue. Any help would be appreciated!

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PikPi

I was gonna make the usual cynical joke, but that's not necessary, that's a cool homage to Mass Effect. I hope the game defies my fears and ends up being a blast.

Anyone play DQXI? I've been looking for something more typical as far as JRPGs go. How does that game rank? Seems like it got no fanfare

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NEStalgia

@redd214 Oh good, we can pretend Anthem is Mass Effect 4. Cool story. I'd smile, but my face is tired.

Ahh, so you're looking for internal drives? All I can say is stay away from Samsung SpinPoint 2TB drives. I keep seeing how they have issues that cause long beeps constantly (I found that while researching my own issue where my Pro beeps with the eject beep randomly, and it's getting worse...)

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NEStalgia

@PikPi I've played part of DQXI, I'm kind of toying with continuing or waiting for it to arrive on Switch, but it's very very very pretty on PS.

It's an excellent game, and a travesty that Square-Enix dumped it with no fanfare. I suppose that's par for the course of S-E's spiral down these days. They couldn't wait to start promoting Tomb Raider so just dumped the "game Westerners don't care about" and ran to TR.

DQXI is DQ with all that implies. It's as traditional as you get, and plays really nice. The girl's inconsistent accent bothers me. But it's a very good DQ game so far. S-E just didn't have confidence in it in the west and spent no marketing on it in their usual way of not understanding their market (meanwhile the Japanese version got no voice acting....and announced that Switch will.....)

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Ralizah

The Witcher 3 it is! That works. I'll just pick it up on Steam after Christmas.

I own the other Witcher games, but I bought them for, like, $5 and can't be bothered to play them. They look clunky as heck.

NEStalgia wrote:

basically you use L2 to aim your weapon. However to interact with objects including talk to NPCs, you also have to aim at them.

What? Why?! That's so stupid. You can't just hit a face button to talk to people like you can in almost every other modern game?

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NEStalgia

@Ralizah Nope, because R* is EDGY, yo!

Seriously I see what they were trying to do. The idea of walking up to people's faces like the Seinfeld "close talker" to talk to them does kind of kill the whole immersive thing they have going, and the aim to interact thing makes it a bit more like real life that you look at what your'e going to touch or who you're going to talk to. As a concept it makes total sense.

The problem is it just doesn't work, it's a context sensitive button and in a dynamic game, context is often not going to match intent, and other times it just doesn't work as expected by graying out options you intend to use. The other problem is the *$#@ idiotic choice of putting "interact aim" and "gun aim" on the same button. If you're going to implement a broken "look to context-menu interact" at least give it a button that doesn't have you draw a gun on a crowd if the context guesses wrong. Put it on jump or something for crying out loud so you can accidentally do a little "yippie kayay(sp?)" dance instead of threatening people. I've pointed guns at people when trying to talk to them, and not pointed guns at people when trying to shoot them because of this stupidity.

With most of the control issues "you get used to them as you play." But the aim to interact/don't shoot thing just leads to gun safety incidents. The "not drawing a gun" thing I compared in the XB thread to imagine a real gun where in order to fire it, you aim it, pull the trigger, to take the safety off, re-aim, then pull trigger again to fire. Also reload is on circle, and you can't change this....not even with "Standard FPS Controls"

Edit: FWIW it feels like a system pre-made for VR. Aim to interact works like SkyrimVR interaction. But you don't have to hit the "aim gun" button in there....

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redd214

Deal alert for anyone in the US who may have an older ps4 and wants a newer one. Gamestop right now is offering $175 trade in credit on any ps4 even the original 500gb + $25 bonus. They will be selling the Black Friday $200 spiderman 1TB Slim model starting on Sunday. So in essence you can trade in any old ps4 get Spiderman basically free, new warranty etc etc. Plan on going to trade in my older one tommorow!

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EvilLucario

@redd214 Aren't they also offering a $200 PS4 with a $50 gift card? I personally don't want Spider-Man so I'm looking for the other deal for other games.

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redd214

@EvilLucario They did that last year but its not confirmed for this year yet. You could always trade in Spiderman or sell it on ebay or something. Thats what I plan on doing since I already have it digital

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EvilLucario

@redd214 If they end up not doing the giftcard bundle, I'll just get the Spider-Man bundle and sell it.

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Anti-Matter

I have Two Questions about PS4 :

1. I saw there was a Portable Screen for PS4 with name G-Story. Is this WHITE G-Story monitor for PS4 Slim ?
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2. Is The Sims 4 Bundle with Cats + Dogs PS4 = Same The Sims 4 PS4 with Cats + Dogs Expansion pack in Disc ?
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Dang It !!
I CANNOT get rid my PS4 Slim because of The Sims 4 games.
If only EA ports THE Sims 4 for Switch....
Well, i think i have to enjoy my remaining PS4 games that i have so far.

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NEStalgia

Has anyone heard if there will be any Black Friday deals on Pro? I have a weird issue: My Pro keeps randomly doing the triple-beep, the eject beep, while the system is running. I know that was an issue with OG PS4 with the contact switches, but for the pro with mechanical switches that shouldn't be an issue of randomness. It happened a few times a few months ago, I ignored it, but it's getting worse, I'll be playing and then all of a sudden bee-bee-beep...bee-bee-beep....bee-bee-beep-bee-bee-beep-bee-bee-beep.......bee-bee-beep....and then it's fine for 15-20 minutes then does it again. Then it might be fine for an hour. It's weird. It works 100% perfectly other than the random beeping. But it's getting. On. My. LAST. NERVE!. I can think of no way to fix it, and may get stuck having to replace it.

Otherwise, I got around to checking out Detroit finally. It's....weird. The Connor parts are sheer awesomeness. Markus's intro was brief....and the "hey everyone this is 1960's civil rights issues!" kind of hits you over the head, then whispers it in your ear just to make sure you get it. It doesn't try to be creative or subtle, it just is openly a 1960's civil rights story that wants you to think it's being clever but isn't. (Mafia III does that story waaay better. That was my pleasant surprise of the year thanks to PS+.) Then came Kara.....I can't believe I played a simulator of doing house chores instead of just doing house chores...

Can't I just play the Connor parts?
@Anti-Matter I actually have one of those G-Story monitors for Pro in black! They're decent. It's a TN panel so it has a poor viewing angle if you're not viewing it straight-on (most "gaming" monitors have that problem because their priority of low latency tends to mandate the worse looking TN panels.) But all in all it's a pretty decent thing. I stopped using it when I got a Surface Pro since streaming the video over my network to the Surface is just a more convenient way of making the video portable, and works for X1 too.

As far as I know that Sims edition is the same w/ DLC.

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redd214

@NEStalgia there aren't any "official" BF deals on the pro outside of the Red Dead bundle but I know you already have that. I would just keep an eye out as I'm sure some retailer will have a random bundle leading up to Christmas just like last year. I remember places like Newegg and ebay had bundles with 2 newish games for $400 in 2017.

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Octane

@NEStalgia Connor was definitely the best part of Detroit. I didn't really care for Markus' story, it definitely goes everywhere you don't expect it to go. Connor works especially well because it's the only story that straight up deals with the interaction between a human and an android on a day-to-day basis throughout the entire story. Kinda what the premise of the game is. It's definitely more subtle and better written than some of the other parts IMO.

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redd214

Well PUBG is now officially coming to Ps4, please act surprised lol. I think its too little too late at this point but more games are always welcome I guess.

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ReaderRagfish

@redd214 Wait, it wasn't on there already? I guess that shows how much I pay attention.

Still waiting for Atlus to make Snowboard Kids 3

Octane

@Zuljaras One year paid exclusivity.

I think it has hurt PUBG a lot. Especially now Fortnite has taken over on PS4 (and Switch), with no other alternative.

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Grumblevolcano

I was wrong about Octopath but MH World is a Game Awards GotY nominee:
Assassin's Creed Odyssey
Celeste
God of War
Spider-Man
Monster Hunter World
Red Dead Redemption 2

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