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81. Posted:

what a bout those voice controls for mass effect. still using the controller buy adding in voice commands and gestures could be great for squad based stuff like gears.

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Also, why are both the PS Move and Kinect only limmited to 30 frames per second when wii games go up to 60fps when using anything motion control related? That's another quirk that the Move and Kinect seem to have. Either way i won't be owning either so i could care less. :p

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Naughty Dog did tinker with Move controls with Uncharted 3 and found it not to be a good fit. If you want to know why, try playing Hydrophobia with Move and you'll see why. ;)

Sucker Punch just dropped Move support into the inFAMOUS series' and Evolution Studios is dropping Move support into Motorstorm: Apocalypse. Most of Sony's first party developers support Move.

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@Slap: Speaking of Uncharted 3, did you review it? I went to your "New and Reveiws" from your sig and didn't see one.

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85. Posted:

i hear move infamous is.pretty great.

what upcoming banes have move support?

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It amuses me watching this topic next to the topic that says the complete opposite.

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Naughty Dog did tinker with Move controls with Uncharted 3 and found it not to be a good fit. If you want to know why, try playing Hydrophobia with Move and you'll see why. ;)

Sucker Punch just dropped Move support into the inFAMOUS series' and Evolution Studios is dropping Move support into Motorstorm: Apocalypse. Most of Sony's first party developers support Move.

I don't know man, there's just no excuse. I think pointer controls would of worked great, it's better than any sort of Analog aiming set up...But as it is in Uncharted 2(I'm so behind the times considering it came out in 09' and Uncharted 3 was just released.lol) the aiming is clunky and the the entire camera shifts with it even with the most subtle movements. Resident Evil 4 imo had the best Analog aiming ever for a 3rd person title.....And Wii pointer controls made it 10x better, and made the game 10x easier. :p

Anyways, been tinkering around with some 720p and 1080p PS3 demo's. And it's still hard to notice a difference between both resolutions. For ex, in my case, you need to be sitting 6 feet away from a 1080p 42" HDTV while playing a 1080p PS3 game to see the extra definition. But at 9 feet in my case it's just unoticable as 720p and 1080p look the same at that distance. Besides who in the hell would want to sit 6 feet away(which is the proper seating chart poistion 'eye distance wise' for viewing 1080p on a 42" 1080p HDTV for optimum results in detail and blah blah) By doing that, you're Living room would be totaly shrunk down, small and akward. LOL Unless you don't move your couch and game on the floor. :p

Anyways, I wouldn't go closer than 8 feet eye distance wise on a 42" 1080p HDTV....Especially past 7 feet it becomes incredibly akward. too close for my comfort. Plus, they say 8.2 feet is the best seating distance on a 42" 1080p HDTV when seeing all the detail for 720p PS3 games and yadah yadah.

I keep it at 9 for now, because I dont want to get too close considering the Wii aint HD! :p

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/2012011123171...

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Gaikai-Sony-PlayStation-Microsoft...

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Of course Gaikai would say that, they want to prop up their cloud gaming/streaming service. And I'm not buying into their PR stuff until I see an actual product. OnLive has been successful, and they're expanding their service on various devices (tablets, Smart TV's, PC's, etc.). When is Gaikai going to come out with anything? Until I see something, it's all talk.

And Nintendo will still be around, they have the Wii U coming out and the 3DS to take care of. Sony has the Vita to support, so the only other one I can see "quitting" would be Microsoft. They're turning the Xbox brand into an all-in-one media center that will (allegedly) be integrated with Windows PC's, so in a way it won't be a true gaming system anymore.

And the internet just isn't ready for cloud gaming yet. Slow internet speeds and bandwidth caps are preventing these services from reaching their true potential. Most people don't have super-fast internet, cause it's just so expensive. I'd say in about 5-10 years we will be ready, but not now.

And the problem with cloud gaming (like Netflix) is that it's just a subscription service. Pay a monthly fee and you can play a game over the network, streaming it directly to your PC / TV / tablet / whatever. You don't actually own the games, you just pay a monthly fee, like Netflix. I much prefer how the App Store, Xbox Live and PSN work, where you pay for an individual game and it's downloaded onto YOUR system.

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@Ryno No, we only review Move titles at Movemodo, so we didn't review it. If I did review it though, I would have given it a 9/10. :)

@shingi_70 At the moment, the big upcoming Move titles are: Sorcery, Ninja Gaiden III, DUST 514, BioShock Infinite and Counter Strike: Global Offensive. inFAMOUS is a great series if you enjoy open world games. I really dislike the genre, but I did enjoy the original title and from every inFAMOUS fan I know says that the sequel is awesome.

@Waveboy The issue with Move and third person shooters kinda has to be experienced to understand. With Move, the camera is able to shift and rotate so quickly that the onscreen character will actually get in the line of sight many times, as it does in SOCOM 4. The use of a transparent character helps, but this is a game that is a straightforward shooter, which Uncharted isn't. So I'll go into a bit of details to help you understand a bit, because I had the exact same reaction as you do now — until I reviewed Hydrophobia, which plays very similar to Uncharted.

Firstly — and most importantly — with Move the camera is completely user controlled. With a analogue controller, you can let go of the analogue sticks with no onscreen negative effects, with Move this isn't an option. You have to hold the controller still to maintain control of the camera. Uncharted uses a dynamic camera to create impact and cinematic effects. The next time you're playing Uncharted, take notice to how much the camera shifts and rotates during gameplay. It's so fine-tuned and scripted that you barely notice that you're not fully controlling the game, but with Move, you would actually loose control of the camera when this happens, because you don't know where the camera is going to shift or stop-- creating wild camera jerks and even momentary character control losses, which I found out when playing Hydrophobia.

Of course, the character getting in the way of the camera and platforming elements are also issues with motion controls too. Can all of this be rectified in the future...of course. But, Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 were designed around Move and is why the controls work so well in the games' and Uncharted 3 is too high of a profile title and had way too much on it's shoulders to take that kind of risk. I'm glad that Naughty Dog did tinker with them though. Hopefully their next game, The Last of Us, will include Move controls though.

@LordTendoboy I've really been pondering this and I think it's Sony who will be sitting out the next generation of consoles. Why? They don't need a PS4 anytime soon. The only thing that Sony can do with a new console at this point is so limited, because UHDTV's won't land on the market for another 3-5 years. The Xbox 360 has to upgrade soon, not because of the console's hardware, but because the disc can't hold enough capacity. The PS3 is just now really gaining ground and Sony has no reason to bring a PS4 on the market until they can sell a new UHDTV that's needed to play the system in it's max capacity and regain their losses on the console. Just as the Xbox 360 is hanging with the more powerful PS3, the PS3 will be able to hang with the more powerful Wii U and new Xbox for another 5yrs until they drop another very expensive PlayStation console that will likely push TV's and disc forward once again.

That's just my guess, but I think it just might be accurate. Myself, I want to see Sony drop a PS4 that does push the limits once again and usher in Ultra HD Gaming. Of course, this will be Very expensive, but I think that is where they will go next.

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oh crap i forgot about counter strike. the ps3 version will be cross platform with the Pc game. that's going to be crazy with people using move, dual analog, and mouse and keyboard all at the same time.

too bad xbox wont get any of the steam games cross platform.

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shingi_70 wrote:

oh crap i forgot about counter strike. the ps3 version will be cross platform with the Pc game. that's going to be crazy with people using move, dual analog, and mouse and keyboard all at the same time.

too bad xbox wont get any of the steam games cross platform.

Didn't know it was gonna be cross-platform! :O

Gonna be hard for me to choose....I wonder how i'll enjoy Move compared to mouse and keyboard.
It might feel too weird for me if I tried to change now....

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@Ryno No, we only review Move titles at Movemodo, so we didn't review it. If I did review it though, I would have given it a 9/10. :)

@shingi_70 At the moment, the big upcoming Move titles are: Sorcery, Ninja Gaiden III, DUST 514, BioShock Infinite and Counter Strike: Global Offensive. inFAMOUS is a great series if you enjoy open world games. I really dislike the genre, but I did enjoy the original title and from every inFAMOUS fan I know says that the sequel is awesome.

@Waveboy The issue with Move and third person shooters kinda has to be experienced to understand. With Move, the camera is able to shift and rotate so quickly that the onscreen character will actually get in the line of sight many times, as it does in SOCOM 4. The use of a transparent character helps, but this is a game that is a straightforward shooter, which Uncharted isn't. So I'll go into a bit of details to help you understand a bit, because I had the exact same reaction as you do now — until I reviewed Hydrophobia, which plays very similar to Uncharted.

Firstly — and most importantly — with Move the camera is completely user controlled. With a analogue controller, you can let go of the analogue sticks with no onscreen negative effects, with Move this isn't an option. You have to hold the controller still to maintain control of the camera. Uncharted uses a dynamic camera to create impact and cinematic effects. The next time you're playing Uncharted, take notice to how much the camera shifts and rotates during gameplay. It's so fine-tuned and scripted that you barely notice that you're not fully controlling the game, but with Move, you would actually loose control of the camera when this happens, because you don't know where the camera is going to shift or stop-- creating wild camera jerks and even momentary character control losses, which I found out when playing Hydrophobia.

Of course, the character getting in the way of the camera and platforming elements are also issues with motion controls too. Can all of this be rectified in the future...of course. But, Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 were designed around Move and is why the controls work so well in the games' and Uncharted 3 is too high of a profile title and had way too much on it's shoulders to take that kind of risk. I'm glad that Naughty Dog did tinker with them though. Hopefully their next game, The Last of Us, will include Move controls though.

@LordTendoboy I've really been pondering this and I think it's Sony who will be sitting out the next generation of consoles. Why? They don't need a PS4 anytime soon. The only thing that Sony can do with a new console at this point is so limited, because UHDTV's won't land on the market for another 3-5 years. The Xbox 360 has to upgrade soon, not because of the console's hardware, but because the disc can't hold enough capacity. The PS3 is just now really gaining ground and Sony has no reason to bring a PS4 on the market until they can sell a new UHDTV that's needed to play the system in it's max capacity and regain their losses on the console. Just as the Xbox 360 is hanging with the more powerful PS3, the PS3 will be able to hang with the more powerful Wii U and new Xbox for another 5yrs until they drop another very expensive PlayStation console that will likely push TV's and disc forward once again.

That's just my guess, but I think it just might be accurate. Myself, I want to see Sony drop a PS4 that does push the limits once again and usher in Ultra HD Gaming. Of course, this will be Very expensive, but I think that is where they will go next.

I downloaded Hydrophobia when it was free for PS Plus users. It's not worth it at all. The game is absolutely terrible, from the clunky controls to the horrid voice acting. I deleted it after playing for about 10 minutes.

And who says Sony is going after the Ultra High Def market with the PS4? For all we know, it could just be a slight upgrade like the Wii was to the GameCube. Sony likes playing with power (pun intended), but look at where that's gotten them this gen. I highly doubt Sony wants to sit in third place again with an expensive high tech console.

Wii U is coming first, followed by Xbox 3, and then PS4 a year later. I bet my next paycheck on it.

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@Tendo No. I don't understand. Please explain to me what Sony's PS3 has done to them!

...and please, give me a logical explanation! Because in the current market, the PlayStation 3 is no longer selling at a loss. Sony has reclaimed their losses on PS3 and the 2010 end reports had the PlayStation brand at $887 million in combined profits. The PS3 is also on course to become to become the HD console with the highest install base and has sold to Sony's own expectations too. They are now reinvesting their gains into Vita and they've publicly announced that are OK with Vita sales in Japan.

Those are facts mate! The gaming industry needs all three of the gaming giants. Nintendo pushes by innovation; Microsoft makes great powerful consoles with mass market appeal and Sony is the top end high performance company. Combined, all of them have their own niche that makes each system worth owning. Arguing over what system is best is pointless — even when it's masked as industry talk. All of the companies make bad decisions and the bottom line for US gamers is the games; and they all provide!

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Malkeor wrote:

shingi_70 wrote:

oh crap i forgot about counter strike. the ps3 version will be cross platform with the Pc game. that's going to be crazy with people using move, dual analog, and mouse and keyboard all at the same time.

too bad xbox wont get any of the steam games cross platform.

Didn't know it was gonna be cross-platform! :O

Gonna be hard for me to choose....I wonder how i'll enjoy Move compared to mouse and keyboard.
It might feel too weird for me if I tried to change now....

Hopefully, like Portal 2, if you buy the PS3 version you will get a copy of the PC/Mac version also.

@Tendoboy I'm pretty sure that all online stores only sell you the license to play the game. You don't own the game, but you have the ability to play.

Adding to Slap's point, the 360 is only 720p. If the 720 is capable of producing 1080p then the Playstation won't need to catch up at all. Plus, if a 720 is released, it will benefit the PS3 owners most, as third-party games that feature across consoles will be in 1080p. And they won't need to be the ones who have to fork out for a new console...

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The only problem is that in all honesty Blu-ray will be the last big disc format. were just going to see iterations of that and a bigger digital push. (still not for another 10-15 years).

and then you have to wonder about the ps4 if Sony's Tv bussines goes away. they halted all oled production in turn for their own format and 4k.

another big problem is the impact of resting on their laurels. Not only is the fight with Microsoft and nintendo but they risk apple Tv and google Tv also gaining strong followings.

also while the Ps3 has gained back it losses i wonder is slightly off. that's only including the hole from ps3 development costs. i wonder how the loss would look if you include marketing, developement costs for first party games, money.loss from under performing games.

If vita is any indication the ps4 shouldn't be the moneysink the ps3 was.

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@shingi_70 I actually think that the number has to include everything spent on the PlayStation franchise, because it was their official business financial report — if my memory serves me correctly on that, it was a good while back now.

Sony isn't going to drop out of the television market, you can bet on that. It's one of their most profitable portions of their industry. I own both Sony and Samsung HDTV's and I've enjoyed and have had great luck with both brands and always have. If their is one thing that consumers do love and trust Sony for, it's their TV's.

I do agree with you on the fact that Blu-ray isn't going anywhere, but the PS4 could possibly use a new format of the disc that could only be played with the PS4 and then a new live of Blu-ray players that are back compatible with existing Blu-ray disc. Their are already High Capacity Blu-ray disc, so the chances of something like this definitely could happen in the next five years or so.

Lastly, I think Sony was really smart bringing the Vita out at a decent price point for the mass market. But, I think it would be a mistake for them to not bring out an extremely expensive, high powered home console behind the PS3. They'd be going against their own fans that expect this and they will most likely make up their losses in the end, just as their previous systems have. Gaming handheld systems are much more niche than home consoles these days and Vita would likely have had a tough time in the market had it high a $400+ price point.

My 2012 E3 bets: Microsoft and the things they are doing with Kinect is the one to really watch at this years E3. I expect a new console from them and the primary controller being a new version of Kinect, that utilizes many of the new features that they've spent millions and millions of dollars of R-&-D on. I think it's Microsoft that will be really pulling in casual gamers in the next generation of home consoles. ;)

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Slapshot wrote:

Gaming handheld systems are much more niche than home consoles these days and Vita would likely have had a tough time in the market had it high a $400+ price point.

Handheld gaming systems have ALWAYS been niche. Think about all the competitors that tried to go against Nintendo, ALL of them have failed, except Sony.

And how can Sony be happy with the Vita's dismal sales? They are trying to get their products to as many consumers as possible, and sales in Japan have been dropping every week. If the same thing happens in Europe and America, then Sony should just pull the plug like they did with the PSP Go.

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@slapshot

i 'think your wrong about Microsoft going all casuel. if you look io the studios they've started building out of the 4 only one of them are for kinect. all the rest are for next gen products. that and lionhead and rare must be working on next gen stuff as well.

I think mircosoft has the the best medium between the fore and the casuel so fat. but wii u could disrupt that.

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Sony is probably going to use technology from 2020 for PS4 :O

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