Topic: PSN Suspended

@Starlight: it should be noted that while the core Anon players may have come out and said they didn't do it, that doesn't mean that there weren't other members involved. those core players can't speak for everyone, after all, and as part of Anonymous, they should know better than anyone else that what one does, all are blamed for — even if they haven't actually done anything.

@Starlight... and considering that the Chat Logs that were used to congregate the hacking into the PSN servers for years were on the Anon servers, it's kinda hard for them to deny it! They are denying it because of the fact that this is the single largest CC theft in history and those responsible are looking at millions in fines and spending half of their lives behind bars. They will deny it until it is all said and done!

Also TBD is right on the money as well. Anon isn't some well banded organization - they are hackers that hide themselves behind Proxy Servers and no identity. Can you really trust any of them when they spend the majority of the time hidden? If 5 people organized a robbery on your home, but after it was said and done, 3 of them claimed that were indeed part of the group but weren't actually involved in the robbery itself, would you trust them? It's no different in this scenario!

@Slappy
Sort of skeptical about the chat logs if they were found in feb. The hack that allowed people to get into the dev. networks in the first place was released at the end of march. Unless of course Anonymous also got in to CC info too when they took the network down earlier in April.

This link gives the timeline of the rebug hack...although to be fair, this may not be completely accurate either, seeing as nothing official has been released from Sony yet. Makes sense though. I still doubt that this was "Anon," however that doesn't mean there's not a fair amount of overlap between Anon members and those who hacked this when you figure the number of people with the skills to do this must be fairly small. I can't think of any other Anon attacks that have had the goal of stealing personal info, they usually just try to shut sites down.

@Slapshot
No worries! I know you weren't saying it just to slam anyone. I know Sony isn't unique with this problem, as Microsoft has been hit more than once themselves by hackers. I think the biggest attack was in 2007 when hackers managed to slow XBL to a crawl for several days.

Has anyone of them got arrested for 'other' attacks?

They're not Anonymous if they aren't so hard to catch.

@Token... I really wish I could find the logs so I could link you guys over to it. It was very interesting to read as I've never seen anything like it before. There were 2 guys of the 14 that were actually big-time hackers. One of the guys was writing his own software programs to bypass the Firmware updates, and you would not believe how deep Sony's security is! I honestly for the life of me don't see how anyone can understand all of it, but this one guy that was obviously one of the top Anon hackers just was like "oh and look at this", and posted the actual CC script with the info wiped. It was in flipping plaintext, and they all started laughing and typing a whole lot of OMG's as well. Then they proceeded to talk about PSN going down over this kinda of breach and that the spammers would love this. None of them wanted any CC info at all personally, they were just interested in the 'game' of hacking the system. What really sparked my interest is how they referred to each-other as 'spammers', 'hackers', 'coders', and 'criminals'. It's like they think they are innocent for breaking the systems as if it is just some game, even when they are letting the criminals walk in through the back-doors that they are creating.

This was a real chat log, but it wasn't one for this past breach obviously. They were connected to the internet and hiding behind proxy servers - which is just a mask and is nothing for the FBI to walk through. I've learned all of this today by doing loads of reading, and from my understand anyone who is really out to heist 77 million CC's is going to hack on a secure server of their own somehow and not actually be connected to the Internet. How, I have no idea and don't care, but I don't think these guys are the actual thieves, but I do think they laid the groundwork!

Oh I found it! This is definitely worth reading through!

If you look at the comments for that log, and the ratings for each comment, you'll see it's obvious that those hackers are our heroes and anyone who says otherwise are whiny Sony fanboys who deserved it.

That sounds like a real hacker. See, there are roughly three different kinds of hacker. There are white hats, grey hats, and black hats. Those guys are your grey hats. They don't really do it for profit, but they also aren't there to help the guys they're hacking. I am no professional in this matter. Neither am I involved in it myself, but I have known a couple of interesting people. You should also know that a being called a "hacker" is also a good thing (not necessarily to you). The term originated from some college or university where they called these big pranks "hacks". And that's what it was. There is also a sort of "hacker code of ethics" or something like that which was written by some guy. It has since been revised a little (so it sounds less insane), but works as a good starting point for understanding how these guys think.
Also, one more interesting note, hacking is seen as being nearly identical to lock picking. If you're a good hacker, then you can pick any lock and it has been tradition to hold speed competitions at their festival [somewhere] in the states.
_{In case you could care less about the ethics thing; basically, down with corporations}

If PSN ever goes back up, feel free to add BedCommando and I'll shoot you a reply to prove you wrong

So it turns out credit card details were encrypted, but passwords, usernames etc. were not.

_{Source, here.}

@Aviator... you found it too!

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstatio...

That is the direct source from Sony, and it's much different than what we were hearing yesterday.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/116/1164641p1.html
yay. I hope this is true. I kinda figured it wouldn't go offline for more then 2 or 3 weeks.
_{But then again, its only an estimate...}

The reason we are hearing "differently" today is because rather than report the facts of what was going on, games "journalists" decided instead to shoot for sensational headlines and making assumptions.

Sony's own message has been consistent throughout. It's just no one paid them any attention.

Bwuahahaha. That comic is too good.

I dunno about trolling, but I think he was being sarcastic. The hackers of Anonymous wanted us to believe that they are heroes fighting valiantly over the evil corporation known as Sony.

No uh, when I looked at the comments section, there were two types of comments. There were those that applauded the hackers and said that Sony deserved it. They all got lots of thumbs up and positive replies.
Then there were those that said the hackers deserved jail. They all got thumbed down and replies saying they're whiny Sony fanboys.

I was sarcastically summarising what seems to be (based only on those comments I read, mind you) the general opinion of the readers at that site.

_{Oh liz, you're the only one who gets me.}

This is getting bad this one. Does anyone think their is a solution

The hackers did everyone a favor really.

It put the spotlight on account security for all on-line video games systems networks. Even if the other companies were/are doing an amazing job I bet they step up their security even further. Sony especially will tighten up and lock down hard. I actually feel safer today than I ever have because we know now that every company is going to work harder at securing their systems.

"Don't worry Sony, I'll just cancel my date of birth and get a new one."