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LuWiiGi

@WaltzElf I understand that I am not mature enough to play brutally violent/adult-themed games, but I think you slightly underestimate my maturity. I just don't think games should be classified as 'too old for this age group' because some people in that age group might be able to handle that kind of game. There are some games, though, that no matter how mature you are, only an adult should play. I am not, though, just a child who doesn't understand anything sophisticated. I am not stupid (not that I thought you accused me of that). Thank you to everyone who discussed on this topic though, some great points have been made. Continue discussing if you want.

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@Waltz
I always find it interesting to learn about other countries' regulations and laws on these issues -- particularly Australia, where things are done very differently than here in the States. I've always known that, but it is interesting to me to learn more from someone who actually lives there.

The "X" rating thing is particularly interesting. FYI, in the US, the X rating was the original "adults only" rating for films, and didn't necessarily have to do with sexual content, although that was usually involved. As pornography became more popular (in the 1970s or so), porn film distributors began using X, XX and XXX as a sort of "look how dirty THESE are!" enticement. So the stigma of the X rating, which had been given to mainstream films -- A Clockwork Orange is a good example, or Midnight Cowboy -- ultimately became stigmatized to mean "porn", thus leading to mainstream theatres reluctant to show films that were or could be rated X by the MPAA (and leading to many many movies (often horror films, but not exclusively) being re-edited and re-submitted to avoid the X rating). Many years later (early 90s), the MPAA came up with the "NC-17" rating, to replace "X".

And that was quite a tangent by me. Rabbits.

Anyway, it's always more interesting and informative to discuss issues like these with people of differing views, so i've certainly enjoyed that. I think we've almost hijacked the thread though! =D

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@Waltz
I always find it interesting to learn about other countries' regulations and laws on these issues -- particularly Australia, where things are done very differently than here in the States. I've always known that, but it is interesting to me to learn more from someone who actually lives there.

The "X" rating thing is particularly interesting. FYI, in the US, the X rating was the original "adults only" rating for films, and didn't necessarily have to do with sexual content, although that was usually involved. As pornography became more popular (in the 1970s or so), porn film distributors began using X, XX and XXX as a sort of "look how dirty THESE are!" enticement. So the stigma of the X rating, which had been given to mainstream films -- A Clockwork Orange is a good example, or Midnight Cowboy -- ultimately became stigmatized to mean "porn", thus leading to mainstream theatres reluctant to show films that were or could be rated X by the MPAA (and leading to many many movies (often horror films, but not exclusively) being re-edited and re-submitted to avoid the X rating). Many years later (early 90s), the MPAA came up with the "NC-17" rating, to replace "X".

And that was quite a tangent by me. Rabbits.

Anyway, it's always more interesting and informative to discuss issues like these with people of differing views, so i've certainly enjoyed that. I think we've almost hijacked the thread though! =D

I never knew that. As I said, didn't even realise the US had an X rating, that's a fascinating history.

I've always found censorhip an interesting topic - spent a good year of my time at University researching and writing papers on it. The US and its media is by far the most interesting part of that study. Don't always agree with it, but it's a very interesting, different perpsective.

Anyway, yeah I agree we utterly derailed this thread. Sorry everyone!

mnementh

lz2010 wrote:

@Waltz: Very little research actually suggests that kids become violent from playing adult video games. Like others here, I've played mature games since I was little and actually had no intention of becoming violent. I believe the stronger influence is the parents.

Agree. There is probably no correlation between violence in games and violence IRL. if there is, it's likely the opposite with the game being a venue to vent violent pre existant feelings in a non harmful way.

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@WaltzElf: I'm not so sure it's a good idea to actively promote the creation of a LAW that you fully EXPECT people to break. Far too much of that goes on already, especially traffic law where I live. Better to just set up laws that make sense and allow for parental decision. Which is what they're actually trying to do in America right now. The main point I've been trying to make is actually that we simply don't NEED this law because it will have absolutely ZERO impact on children's access to mature content in America. They already can't buy it on their own due to industry self-regulation, so a law reinforcing that is pretty much useless.

But whether you agree or not, the fact remains that the governmental restriction of video games but not other forms of media is unconstitutional. I believe in fairness of law. If they want to simultaneously make laws for games AND film, for example, then okay...well, not really because I'm against big government in general, but it'd be sort of better.

Really, the reason this argument has gone on so long is simple: You aren't American and don't get where we're coming from. And of course, we aren't Australian and the same logic applies. There's clearly not going to be a middle ground at which we magically understand each other. A fairly common problem on international forums, I suspect.

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Slapshot

I think that games today have gotten to the point that the rating need to exist and parent should take the steps to know more about the games and what are in them if they are rated above the childs age limits and take action accordingly to the childs level of responsibility. Some 14yr old kids are more responsible than others and some act 10yrs old.

With saying that, games like GTA are so over the top I wouldnt let my child play them until prob around 16+ but Halo and MW2 Id say 15, but that is just me.

Id rather my child be home playing online with friends than out doing God knows what all the time.

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Sean007s

I gave my 9 year old niece a shot at GTA 4.
I never seen her have much fun on a console like this before.
She was laughing at everything,people going flying,shooting people and jacking cars.
Of course I was there to monitor her incase she went into one of those Strip clubs you see in GTA4.

She was actually trying to follow the rules of the road. She would try to stop at red lights,slow down around corners. etc
Not everyone turns out to be serial killers just because they play violent video-games.
I can guess that most people here have done it themselves. Just let them have fun and make sure they don't see any of the sexual content that does be in a good lot of games today.

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Do you mean you'd rather have a child stay inside the house all the time?
I would recommend not doing that to be honest. Rather,I'd keep an eye on the people your kids hang around with and make sure they are doing good in school. Make sure they do their homework,no questions asked. etc.

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I gave my 9 year old niece a shot at GTA 4.
I never seen her have much fun on a console like this before.
She was laughing at everything,people going flying,shooting people and jacking cars.
Of course I was there to monitor her incase she went into one of those Strip clubs you see in GTA4.

That pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with the world.

@WaltzElf: I'm not so sure it's a good idea to actively promote the creation of a LAW that you fully EXPECT people to break. Far too much of that goes on already, especially traffic law where I live. Better to just set up laws that make sense and allow for parental decision. Which is what they're actually trying to do in America right now. The main point I've been trying to make is actually that we simply don't NEED this law because it will have absolutely ZERO impact on children's access to mature content in America. They already can't buy it on their own due to industry self-regulation, so a law reinforcing that is pretty much useless.

You're right. We should just dump the age of consent and legal drinking ages too. Because we know those are broken on a daily basis.

I don't mean to be overly flippant, but my argument around this is fairly basic - classifications really should follow a similar path to other indulgances that we place restrictions on children's access too. If parents want to turn a blind eye to it after that, then power to them, at least we tried.

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@WaltzElf: I think you're over-simplifying the issue -- Video games do not result in kids getting pregnant or killing their developing livers.

Either way, how long will this topic continue to chase its tail, I wonder. :/

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Machu

Sean007s wrote:

I gave my 9 year old niece a shot at GTA 4.

Can't believe you did that. Get out the thread, your opinion is moot.

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Bankai

theblackdragon wrote:

@WaltzElf: I think you're over-simplifying the issue -- Video games do not result in kids getting pregnant or killing their developing livers.

Either way, how long will this topic continue to chase its tail, I wonder. :/

That depends - I think you're underestimating the impact explicit material can have on a developing psyche.

By that I don't mean to say that people who play a violent videogame are going to go and commit mass murder - but equally, media can and does have an impact (ie one of many impacts) on a developing brain. It's a stimulus, and like with every other stimulus, you need to be careful about how much and what a child is exposed to.

And it will until everyone comes to an agreement - and like with any debate with real meaning, that's never going to happen

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theblackdragon

plz to get back to us when you get your degree in psychology, Waltz. i'll probably be able to take your position more seriously then.

That said, I really don't see this discussion going anywhere from here. We're all going to have to agree to disagree on how to raise our kids and whether or not we should be forced to break the nonexistent law to do so in the manner we choose. :3

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