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ASDFGHJKL

41. Posted:

I agree with the Fox. They wont drop prices nless they need to

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mrmicawber

42. Posted:

Price cuts are a sign of weakness, not strength. Remeber a la Gamecube

Hardware
Console Weekly Total
DS 426,192 (+2%) 108,727,438
Wii 239,872 (-6%) 52,513,364
PSP 131,858 (+1%) 50,901,044
360 117,420 (+11%) 31,413,795
PS3 75,962 (-3%) 23,238,508
PS2 69,575 (-0%) 132,427,440

Software Totals
Console Weekly Total Tie Ratio

Wii 2,007,352 (-8%) 325,003,734 6.19
DS 1,502,100 (-4%) 442,667,090 4.07
360 1,501,907 (+44%) 247,251,156 7.87
PS3 1,112,609 (+36%) 146,194,592 6.29

Just look at the market - Wii has sold 49% of ALL home consoles - 360 29% (with a year more on the market, PS3 (marketed as a Blu Ray player), 21% MS and Sony have greater need for pricecut - if Nintendo cuts before Christmas for no reason - there goes moneys!

Just look at software sales - a more reliable indicator of a systems health - Wii has 45% of all games sold this gen, 360 has 34% (despite being on the market one year longer), PS3 has 21%.........

Now add in DS sales to Wii sales, and Nintendo is clearly king of the game industry, and collects a majority chunk of the game licensing tithes......

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mrmicawber

43. Posted:

The holiday Wii market might look thin to IGN, but me thinks plenty of Wii/DS games will do a'ight! The gaming world goes gasp beyond the internet fifedoms>???

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I don't think Nintendo will do anything (well apart from putting the price up here in Europe <img class=)" />. I think for me I'd still buy a Wii at today's prices but only because I'm a Nintendo nut.If I was on the fence then as far as value for money goes the PS3 is now unbeatable for the amount of features it has. I do think sales of the PS3 will go up with the price drop whereas sales of the Wii will level out.The thing to remember is that while Ninty continue to make huge profits they won't do a thing.Nintendo doesn't copy the competition ,tis the other way round. :)

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Machu

45. Posted:

They won't lower the price of Wii until late next year, when I predict we get a Wii 1.5 released with HD and a big ass HDD and built in M+. And yes I've just woke up and am probably still in a dream.

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Machu

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http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1017301p1.html

A reaction from MS, in the States at least. And you'll have to buy your own HDMI cable, nice.

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I don't agree with the price cut beinga weakness. When I got the gamecube it was at the original price point. I didn't buy it but it was less than a half a year after it came out. And everyone I knew who had one bought it when it was brand new or bought it when they added more stuff. And actually some people I knew wouldn't buy it even when they added so much stuff and at a lower price. I remember seeing the Zelda Collector's Edition commercial and since I saw there was that I went and subscribed to Nintendo Power to get it because I really liked Zelda. So there's going to be the people who had it from the beginning and tag alongs which are not less important, but instead giving people a chance that they never saw before. Plus, alot of people I know don't even have a Wii yet, so If they lowered it I'm sure alot of people who didn't buy it will buy it.

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Roopa132

48. Posted:

A Wii slim as large as a CD box?
But seriously: I don't think they're really going to do anything radical....

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mrmicawber

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Luigi78 wrote:

I don't think Nintendo will do anything (well apart from putting the price up here in Europe <img class=)" />. I think for me I'd still buy a Wii at today's prices but only because I'm a Nintendo nut.If I was on the fence then as far as value for money goes the PS3 is now unbeatable for the amount of features it has. I do think sales of the PS3 will go up with the price drop whereas sales of the Wii will level out.The thing to remember is that while Ninty continue to make huge profits they won't do a thing.Nintendo doesn't copy the competition ,tis the other way round. :)

But - time and again - generation after generation - gamers have proved they want games not features......most ppl are not interested in bluray - heck DVD is as common as warts on a toad. Bluray is fine, but will it ever be popular enough to be the future???

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mrmicawber

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Machu wrote:

They won't lower the price of Wii until late next year, when I predict we get a Wii 1.5 released with HD and a big ass HDD and built in M+. And yes I've just woke up and am probably still in a dream.

Why would Wii suddenly get a massive hardrive - not their goal is it? WHy copy the ppl who are trying to catch you? Why abandon 30 years of plug and play for wannabe PC model? I do not unerstand that.

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Machu

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@mrmicawber: Why wouldn't they put a decent size hard-drive in? The problems we all had with storage and the way they botched a quick fix, shows the need for hard-disk space in this gen. They could then increase the WiiWare limit and you would suddenly see games on there that rival retail games. And it's not exactly the first time Nintendo have used a hard drive is it?

Do you really think an SD card is the way forward?

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mrmicawber wrote:

Luigi78 wrote:

I don't think Nintendo will do anything (well apart from putting the price up here in Europe <img class=)" />. I think for me I'd still buy a Wii at today's prices but only because I'm a Nintendo nut.If I was on the fence then as far as value for money goes the PS3 is now unbeatable for the amount of features it has. I do think sales of the PS3 will go up with the price drop whereas sales of the Wii will level out.The thing to remember is that while Ninty continue to make huge profits they won't do a thing.Nintendo doesn't copy the competition ,tis the other way round. :)

But - time and again - generation after generation - gamers have proved they want games not features......most ppl are not interested in bluray - heck DVD is as common as warts on a toad. Bluray is fine, but will it ever be popular enough to be the future???

I know what your saying but Blu ray is here to stay and will become the norm within the next 2-3 years and while one of the cheapest blu-ray players available also play's HD games,music,internet etc then a lot of people will opt for that as their blu-ray player.I know I would (if I had an HD tv that is :( ).

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I DO think SD card is the solution, I have untold # of blocks left, they are cheap, durable, flexible, allow picture storage flexibilty, compatible with Wii/DSi/PC/MP3/Camera - I am happy. Wiiware proves you do not need huge blocks of memory to make high quality games. The Wiiware size restrictions also make CG and storytelling an issue - which is wonderful. The systems works for what they are doing.

As far as bluray - it can have its success, good for it. And good for the ppl who value it. But why should it replace DVD? - which like the SD card is an inexpensive, high quality, highly common, reconizable and flexible form of storage.

'tis a bit like trying to reinvent the wheel....

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IGN: The holiday Wii lineup looks thin for the hardcore crowd. We see this. Gamers see this. What, if anything, is Nintendo planning to address it?

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Do keep in mind that Nintendo NEVER released a newer version of any of their consoles (besides color changes). Sony has always released at least two or three versions of the Playstation and Playstation 2. I don't think Nintendo or Microsoft will feel threatened because the PS3 needs to catch up to the other two before it even becomes a threat.

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55. Posted:

Super+Smash+Bros wrote:

Nintendo already did, in price raising in Europe, which is an very poor fiancial decision.

Is it really price raising when it's to compensate for the currency? The Wii is worth the same, the currency is worth less.

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Ricardo91

56. Posted:

Nintendo doesn't need to lower the price of the Wii. Every household on the planet (particularly America and Japan) have one. That's why the PS3 is selling more than Wii right now in Japan (that and Japan hates Microsoft).

It would take YEARS for Microsoft or Sony to get NEAR the Wii's success.

@SuperSonic1990. That's fine by me. I'd rather have Nintendo drop out of the industry with dignity instead of killing their once great franchises one by one a la Sega. It'd be a dark day in gaming if Mario and the Black Knight ever hit shelves.

@Smash Fan. I can't see that sort of thing happening. It would take years for Sony to REACH Nintendo, let alone SURPASS them, what with them having record-setting systems under their belt and all. To even come close to that success, Sony would have to lower the PS3 price to $100 and start making casual games.

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mrmicawber wrote:

I DO think SD card is the solution, I have untold # of blocks left, they are cheap, durable, flexible, allow picture storage flexibilty, compatible with Wii/DSi/PC/MP3/Camera - I am happy. Wiiware proves you do not need huge blocks of memory to make high quality games. The Wiiware size restrictions also make CG and storytelling an issue - which is wonderful. The systems works for what they are doing.

As far as bluray - it can have its success, good for it. And good for the ppl who value it. But why should it replace DVD? - which like the SD card is an inexpensive, high quality, highly common, reconizable and flexible form of storage.

'tis a bit like trying to reinvent the wheel....

I dunno maybe your right I mean what was wrong with VHS anyways and man,floppy disks I loved those little things!!! :).The facts are that that all the thing's you say about DVD's and SD cards is also true of Blue-ray.The price will be the same as DVD in 1-2 years easily and WILL become the norm.You have to move with the times with technology and I think if your gonna provide a vast libary of games to download then you need to provide harddrive support to go with it.SD should only be used as a back up ,personally I don't want my huge collection of VC/WW games on something that can be lost down the side of a sofa.I agree with what you say about the file size limit for Wii ware games in that it forces (some!) developers to focus solely on gameplay and do away with a lot of story and I'm all for that but having a harddrive doesn't mean that has to change though personally I wish they would up it just a bit when I see some of the stuff on Xbox Live arcade which shows what can be done with a bigger file.To be honest at the moment it isn't causing me too many problems but the choice should be there for those who want it.

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Just a general inquiry here, the wii obviously has changed gaming a lot and the market to which gaming is brought to, but im wondering for sony how the heck the PS2 sold 130+ million copies in its (long) life span. Its not as if the ps2 was revolutionary in anyway that the ps3 hasnt topped 10 fold...im assuming the ps2 did so well because the competition wasnt strong with gcn (which i had) and xbox but still 130 million plus copies is a lot, there has to be some reason.

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DaDun wrote:

Just a general inquiry here, the wii obviously has changed gaming a lot and the market to which gaming is brought to, but im wondering for sony how the heck the PS2 sold 130+ million copies in its (long) life span. Its not as if the ps2 was revolutionary in anyway that the ps3 hasnt topped 10 fold...im assuming the ps2 did so well because the competition wasnt strong with gcn (which i had) and xbox but still 130 million plus copies is a lot, there has to be some reason.

The PS2 had such strong third party support though and that was it's key strength.It had pretty much every huge fanchise going ,exclusively in many cases, which meant fans of those games had to buy one and that's a lot of people,it also had a very strong brand image which made gaming seem cool to those who thought it was a geeky pastime.It had FF,GTA,Gran Turismo etc etc.. plus it also appealed to younger people including girls with singstar,dance dance etc..(see it wasn't Nintendo's idea after all).The gamecube on the other hand,while a great machine, had non of these things,it was poorly marketed,had little third party support or excluisive's and didn't appeal to a wider demographic than the N64 did.The Xbox on the other hand was really just Microsoft dipping it's toes in the console water so to speak.It was a good machine but came a little late to the party to have any bigger impact than it did (though it did pretty well for a newcomer!).Nintendo learnt a lot from that generation and now seem to be back on track with the Wii and DS and have found their position in the market once again :).

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@Luigi78: My thoughts exactly. :)

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