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41. Posted:

GabeGreens wrote:

I love good fun games. Why do I have to choose between perspectives when I love the Zelda Oracles AND Majoras Mask. They are both good games. Why does it matter if they are 2d or 3d? I think 2d and 3d are too vague to be compared. Maybe genres like 3d platformers or 2d platformers could be compared due to their differences. But why does their have to be a better one. There is no better one. There is the opinion of someone liking more 2d games than 3d, but why is there such a debate of which ones better? If this sounds like gibberish, its because I write to fast.

The problem I have with 3D games is that people are always expecting them to look better as time passes. On the other hand, companies like Capcom made games that purposely look outdated (8-bit and 16-bit) for nostalgic purposes, and they were well received. Apparently with 2D you can take steps backwards and still have successful games.

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I dont care about graphics at all. And they dont affect the thought about games, I still love 64 bit graphics, as much as I like the Metroid Prime's graphics

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GabeGreens wrote:

I dont care about graphics at all. And they dont affect the thought about games, I still love 64 bit graphics, as much as I like the Metroid Prime's graphics

I'm one with low expectations. Unlike those "shallow gamers", I'm still impressed with games like Majora's Mask and Goldeneye 007.

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44. Posted:

Majoras Mask impressed me immensely. Way better than TP will ever manage to be.

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45. Posted:

I'm a sucker for 2d games. I will always play 2d games

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I'm a sucker for 2d games. I will always play 2d games

I agree - 2d forever!
With the fanboy thing, I remember the SNES / Megadrive conflict with many kids in secondary (high) school. If pulled into a discussion I would go on about how SEGA was better (as I only had a Megadrive) even though I knew was a bit envious of quite a few SNES games... Even earlier in the UK it was C64 Vs. Spectrum Vs. Amstrad thing - the 8-bit mirco debates we had!
Even if the Wii 'only' has 55 great games thats cool if there are games I'd like, for me as an old-ish geezer, the VC is a worthy extra too!

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Someone came up to me, knowing I was an only Nintendo gamer and told me I needed a PSP to be a hardcore gamer. I was like, I have a console from the 80's I'd like to see you beat any of the games in my NES library.

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I personally believe it has a lot to do with tastes and amount of time the avg. gamer is these days have to play games IMO. I mean, just speaking to my peers who's first system was between a 2600 and a SNES. We were kids, we loved the cartoon/stylized visuals that developers were forced to have back in the day. Those are the games we cherished. As time moves on, tastes change and they can change drastically. Just like when we were kids and we'd see any G rated garbage that came out, now we may see a Pixar film here and there, but we're not going to see Madagascar...we've graduated to 'R' movies and were ALL kids saw G rated movies, a majority of those kids no longer do. Same goes for video games...

Tastes just change...period...Nintendo knows there bread and butter has been and always will be the family and family entertainment. Some of us as we get older still love the stylized graphics, odd storylines, and cartoon look of all their games...most as they get older don't. Nintendo's games are still the G rated Pixar films while most have graduated to the XBox/PS3's rated R films. Of course, for most, when they start watching R Rated films, it's hard to go back and appreciate the G rated films...tastes change...and I've even noticed it with myself.

My personal top 3 Xbox games...Res Evil 5, Bioshock, and Fallout 3 absolutely destroy my top 3 Wii games. Not that I hate my Wii, I love it, but my tastes have changed...although, I can still appreciate the stylized games Nintendo puts out, the majority, won't, can't and unfortunetly the ones that don't appreciate them are the most vocal.

Also, it's worth noting what kind of gamer they were as a kid. If their fav. game was Goldeneye, then the natural progression is Halo. I guarantee most Xbox/PS3 fans fav. games growing up will have SMB but the next game out of their mouths will be Tecmo Bowl. They weren't the ones playing the FF's/Zelda's (besides maybe the first)/Chrono Trigger's of the world...maybe, just maybe, they've always been the same type of gamer but it took this generation for them to really show their true colors.

Also, I don't get arguing with them because, in reality, the Wii is a family system, plain and simple with a fringe group of, basically, polarizing mature games...Xbox is a gamers machine from top to bottom. The systems are two different beasts.

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@Starcross64..... I can honestly say that I have played two PC games and that is Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 and loved every second of both games. Im not a big PC fan because of constant upgrading to play new games and I think that is why PC is slowing considerably. I cant wait to play Muramasa myself too.

@GabeGreens.... Zelda Oracles is an Isometric Viewpoint its not exactly 2D. 2D is more in reference to games like Mega Man 9, Contra 4, Mighty Flip Champs, Mario vs DK, etc.

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We're not as open-eyed and young anymore. Gamers have grown up, and those who haven't are being pushed to act as if they have.

As far as graphics though, I do like good graphics in my games. I mean, I'll play them regardless of appearance, but if a game looks great, it looks great, and that does make me like the game more. However, that doesn't mean I overlook games that have worse graphics, they just don't grab my gut. I also like 2D, especially the new avenues for HD 2D on 360 with some amazing looking fighters.

And for the record I really only play Team Fortress 2 right now. It's been my game for a month shy of a year so it might be a little cliche of me to be offended by you insulting the online FPS player, but honestly, Online FPSes are a very interesting avenue. Every time you play it's a fresh experience that tests your wits, not your memorization. That said, I still enjoy 2D games like Pokemon, Mario World, Crayon Physics, Sonic Advance, Kirby, Super Metroid and more. And of course I play more 3D games then just TF2, recently I finished Half Life 2, I drum in Rock Band 2 a lot, I'll probably get Metroid Prime trilogy, I played all the Strong Bad games and I really don't judge. 2D and 3D are different avenues, not nescesarrily one superior to the other.
Also Super Metroid still looks good today.

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51. Posted:

@ J Bittie,

I like your movie comparison. In my opinion, Pixar is the one company making "G" movies I actually want to see. Those movies are brilliant and appeal to all ages usually, like Nintendo games.

Unfortunately, in the gaming world, unlike in the movie world, R games are more expensive than G games. I just don't have the money. Plus, I love me some nintendo franchises. Until I make my fortune and can not go to work all the time and have money, it's going to be Nintendo for me.

I think a lot of the fanboyism dies down after you get out of school. I have friends now with an Xbox or PS3 and a Wii. Playing some kart or sports resort on wii or guitar hero on PS360 (which totally does not use all of those machines capabilities) are fun sometimes, but then they play fallout or call of duty or whatever else "M" rated when it's just them or them and their roommate or other friend who likes those games or whatever. Wii and PS360 both serve different functions, neither is better or worse. I don't really see fanboyism except on the interwebs.

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Super+Smash+Bros wrote:

You are 100% true. Fans said that Sonic Unleashed for the Wii sucks compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3, but I don't care, if I like the Wii version, I like it, they need to get over it.

The funny thing is, the Wii version is supposed to play better and look better. O_o

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53. Posted:

Ratchet and Clank is not rated M and is one of the best selling games on Sony platforms. Its not all about the maturity of the systems either. Graphics are Not a main key either for me. I just beat Wanted on PS3. Game graphics are horrible in some areas but its still a great game. Play what you want when you want. If you like it that is all that matters.

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54. Posted:

I am a pretty shallow person just ask any woman I have ever met or dated. Oh thats right we are talking about games sorry.

When it comes to games sure I like good graphics but there are two other elements in a game I also enjoy equally and that is the rare event I actually enjoy an in game story and then if the gameplay is rock solid then I care less if the graphics are stellar.

When it comes to sports games I do like realistic looking games but the overall picture also kicks in and again if one game has poorer graphics and better gameplay I am going to go with the game with better gameplay so I have more fun in the long run.

Also for example when it comes to the Mario franchise Super Mario Brothers 3 is still my favorite Mario game of all time even to this day and I have been playing it for around 20 years. Followed by Super Mario Galaxy. I still play Super Mario Brothers 3 more than any game in its franchise.

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Token+Girl wrote:

@ J Bittie,

I like your movie comparison. In my opinion, Pixar is the one company making "G" movies I actually want to see. Those movies are brilliant and appeal to all ages usually, like Nintendo games.

Unfortunately, in the gaming world, unlike in the movie world, R games are more expensive than G games. I just don't have the money. Plus, I love me some nintendo franchises. Until I make my fortune and can not go to work all the time and have money, it's going to be Nintendo for me.

I think a lot of the fanboyism dies down after you get out of school. I have friends now with an Xbox or PS3 and a Wii. Playing some kart or sports resort on wii or guitar hero on PS360 (which totally does not use all of those machines capabilities) are fun sometimes, but then they play fallout or call of duty or whatever else "M" rated when it's just them or them and their roommate or other friend who likes those games or whatever. Wii and PS360 both serve different functions, neither is better or worse. I don't really see fanboyism except on the interwebs.

I'm glad you got my point! I couldn't agree more on Pixar either...big fan. Slept on Wall-E for a while, just saw it and man do i regret not seeing it in the theater. As for the fanboyism outside of school...I think it's less vocal but in my life, I still see it. A lot of my friends love their 360 and try as I might, they're not gonna play the Wii. It's just how their tastes have matured. Then again, going back to my arguement, they also grew up loving the NFL Blitz, NBA Jams, Double Dribble, and Tecmo Bowls as well as liking SMB but the older they got, the more SMB games got pushed out in favor of the FPS's and sports games. I don't think any less of them, or argue with them, I get that being gamer in his older 20's, my tastes are no longer the norm when it comes to liking Nintendo. Then again, i was also the gamer as a kid who loved Icarus, FF, Dragon Warrior, basically niche games...they weren't...therefore growing up I retained being the eclectic gamer where they just stuck with what they were raised with, and I think this is true with a lot of PS3 but more-so XBox loyalists.

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@J Bitties..... dont feel bad man. Im 27 and I still play Nintendo games to this day. I did get rid of my Wii for lack of content reasons but I do love my DSi and all my Retro Nintendo games. Nintendo is a thing some people grow out of I think. I have to some extents but Nintendo will always have a place in my life...... Oh and Pixar studios rock. Wall-e was awesome. I will never grow out of watching Disney movies lol. Im actually a member of Disney Movie Club and own a condo in Disney World ;) Growing up is only for when I have too.

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As another older gamer here (34), i find myself coming back to Ninty far more than my 360 these days -- not that there aren't great 360 games out there, but so many of them just feel "meh" to me -- i'd say "boring", but that's not really the right description. Excellent HD graphics are great and all, but hell, i was raised on the Atari 2600, Roguelikes, Sierra adventure games and tons of text adventures (video games with no graphics! what would the youth of today say!). I look for fun gameplay first and foremost, and it just so happens that i tend to find that enjoyment more from 2D games or classics or retro remixes.

All that being said, Shadow Complex (XBLA) seems to have excellently nailed that sweet graphics spot and sweet gameplay hybrid. Oh, and surprise, it's 2D! (well, essentially)

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This Javet guy is a genius. Everything he said is completely true.

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I think it's just a sign of the stupidity and shallowness running though society these days, my self im currently playing MadWorld, Perfect Dark, and Kirbys adventures, I think they all have great graphics in there own way but im sure by the sounds of it, there a lot of idiots out there who would knock at least 2 of those, obvilious to great game play as there graphics whores.

Sure its great to see a game with great graphics on a HDTV (my old flat mate had obllivion and it looked amazing) but it seems there are now a lot of people who cant like a game unless it has amazing graphics I can only assume they are idiots ;)

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I still prefer the classic games, the only reason I'd get a 360 is for the arcade (and maybe ghostbusters)... Got the Wii for the VC mostly, otherwise play Megadrive / Saturn and various retro compilations on the other systems I've got. I dont think this is any less shallow than someone who prefers new games - just shows my age more likely. Still I'd consider myself a seasoned, maybe even slightly 'hardcore' gamer (soukyugurentai rules!) but the first of the current gen system I thought of buying was the Wii...

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