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Tasuki

I dont know how popular MMORPGs (Massive Multiplayer Role Playing Games) are witheveryone on this site but I had to ask since I enjoy them as much as console games. Plus I am wondering if anyone else plays them.

I started back in 2006 with Dungeon and Dragons Online and actually picked it up cause I use to play Dungeon and Dragons. After playing that for 2 years I went to Lord of the Rings Online and played that for a year and half since beta.

For the past year I have been playing World of Warcraft which I got into cause of some friends of mine that I have known since high school. I usually play about an hour or two a day if I get the chance.

So do any of you guys play an MMORPGs and if so what one(s)?

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HolyMackerel

I've tried a fair few and they've lost their appeal for me. The original idea that there's this persistent world with other players you can come across and interact with just didn't pan out the way I imagined it. The truth is they're just grindfests/time sinks which aren't anywhere near as satisfying as most other types of games. (I speak from my general experience, of course. Perhaps there is a really awesome MMORPG out there that I don't know about, but I doubt it.)

I still play Ragnarok Online, but really only with people I know well. At least it's a fairly deep game that requires skill, planning and team play.

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CanisWolfred

I used to play Phantasy Star Online and Phantasy Star Universe, though I'm not sure if my accounts are still there. They were a lot of fun. I also used to play Final Fantasy XI before I broke it. Sad, it was a great game. One of the best in the series, IMO. I hope FF14 turns out to be just as good.

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J_K

Did Guild Wars for a couple years then pecked at it a bit, while picking at it took a peek at Silkroad Online which ended up sucking. Then I stumbled upon D&D Online once it went free and did this for a time but laid off it since. I'm not a MMO fan, and I refuse to pay any monthly pyramid scheme fees on a game either. I did it mainly to play a game with my work buddy who has really small kids so he could never get out, but these days since I moved we dont' do much, but when we do it's either Tiger Woods Golf Online or FIFA that's in beta.

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y2josh

City of Heroes, just renewed looking forward to the Going Rogue expansion on August 17th.

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Tasuki

y2josh wrote:

City of Heroes, just renewed looking forward to the Going Rogue expansion on August 17th.

I did a free trial of City of Heroes about a year ago it was alright my biggest thing is the company behind it Ncsoft, I dont like them at all. Personally I am waiting for DC Universe Online to get my superhero MMO fix.

J.K." Then I stumbled upon D&D Online once it went free and did this for a time but laid off it since."

I played DDO back before it went f2p after that I could stand it. I dont like the fact that people can get what I spent months to earn just buy pulling out a credit card. To me that wrecks the sense of accomplishment.

J. K." I refuse to pay any monthly pyramid scheme fees on a game either."

I dont know why people say that MMOs are a scheme and they refuse to pay a fee. Its just like DLC on a console game. Thats where your money is going to updates and new material.

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Oh, and I'm thinking of joining Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine someday. I don't think it requires a monthly fee, so it would be just perfect.

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y2josh

@Tasuki: Yeah, DC Universe looks like its gonna be great and what Champions should have been. I'll be switching to it for at least a month. Hopefully, it will live up to the hype.

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J_K

Tasuki it's nothing like a normal game. With a game you can maybe get some DLC added. But that's it, it's added. With something like that crap like Warcraft when it came out you paid $50 and got like a month or less free w/it. But that's it, after that you paid like $15/mo or you lose access to your characters and use of the world. FInal Fantasy 11 was much the same in that you buy a full price game, and you get NOTHING but a coaster unless you feed the beast every month. DLC is something added into a full package game you can opt into, with a MMO like Warcraft you paid the monthly blackmail fee, or you lose all your hard work and effort because you're locked out, and eventually it's erased. That's why it's called a scheme as they suck you in, then you get the threat of losing all your efforts over the days, months...years. Warcraft is like buying a book cover with nothing in between, and then each month you got to pay $15 to get a little more (a chapter) of the story, but if you stop paying then the book retailer takes back your pages and leaves you with the cover and your memories.

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Tasuki

J.K. wrote:

Tasuki it's nothing like a normal game. With a game you can maybe get some DLC added. But that's it, it's added. With something like that crap like Warcraft when it came out you paid $50 and got like a month or less free w/it. But that's it, after that you paid like $15/mo or you lose access to your characters and use of the world. FInal Fantasy 11 was much the same in that you buy a full price game, and you get NOTHING but a coaster unless you feed the beast every month. DLC is something added into a full package game you can opt into, with a MMO like Warcraft you paid the monthly blackmail fee, or you lose all your hard work and effort because you're locked out, and eventually it's erased. That's why it's called a scheme as they suck you in, then you get the threat of losing all your efforts over the days, months...years. Warcraft is like buying a book cover with nothing in between, and then each month you got to pay $15 to get a little more (a chapter) of the story, but if you stop paying then the book retailer takes back your pages and leaves you with the cover and your memories.

AH but thats $15 dollars a month of an every evolving game. So its not really a scam. What do you do when you beat a console game? The average console gamer throws it off to the side goes down to the store and pays $60 for another game. After that game is beat its $60 for another one and after that game $60. I wish I could pay 15 dollars a month on some console games and have them updated and new content added I would welcome it.

So actually in the end its just like running out and buying a new game a month, but anyway thats not why I created this thread. I didnt create this thread to bash one type of game or another. If you would do you research J.K. you would see its not a scam or blackmail or whatever else you want to call it. Oh and I never have heard of an MMO erasing characters I know people who stopped playing for 5 years and went back to their characters. Unless you break their rules they dont erase your character unless the company itself closes down or they close down the game.

And thats the truth.

@Y2josh: Yeah I am really excited about DCUO too especially after I heard that Mark Hamill will be the Joker. I never did try Champions Online since all it looked to me was like an updated version of CoX. Some of my friends did and they were disappointed in it and they went back to CoX.

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J_K

So what, it evolves? To each their own on that. For someone who is buying a new game for $20-60 each time, at least they're getting a real solid tangible title they can keep and go back to and it is what it is in cost and no more. Warcraft is nebulous, there's technically nothing there, once it's over it's done nothing to come back to, so you pay or lose it, that people like myself have a problem with too. I have done my research and know it as such to be blackmail essentially. Around 9 years ago I started working with people who left SCEA and joined my company, they were on the Everquest team. According to them they only charged for the game because they learned from market research suckers would pay as fee if they're told it goes towards 'maintaining and expanding the world' but the truth of it was the cash that millions of people put into it buying the disc version and the upgrade discs (as WoW does) more than sufficed in creation, updates, maintenance, and employee admins/moderators with heaps of profit on the side. WoW is exponentially larger than Evercrack as it was so addictively nicely called could ever dream to be. Sure EQ was Sony and they got deep pockets, but Activision-Blizzard isn't one to laugh at either, and if the put the cash up and designed it right from the get go as I know they likely did, all these monthly rates are just some very deep and yummy financial frosting for them. As far as erasing characters, there's some, don't have a list, but I do know that Square erases FF characters as it's in the TOS, as does that korean group that does Silkroad. FF I think has a 90day login/no pay clause that if you stop paying the monthlies you can't just 'park it' and come back, it's done after 90 days. Mind you this was when it came out, I dunno if they caught hell and amended it later on, but it started out as such.

Fact is you and I aren't going to agree on this, and it could end up going in circles. You're addicted to pay-per-month gaming, and I'm most definitely not. You're fine sticking to 1 game and owning technically nothing but intangible data on a promise, whereas I'm old school and want something solid to hold onto that in general has a start and an end to it. It's two different worlds.

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Tasuki

J.K. wrote:

So what, it evolves? To each their own on that. For someone who is buying a new game for $20-60 each time, at least they're getting a real solid tangible title they can keep and go back to and it is what it is in cost and no more. Warcraft is nebulous, there's technically nothing there, once it's over it's done nothing to come back to, so you pay or lose it, that people like myself have a problem with too. I have done my research and know it as such to be blackmail essentially. Around 9 years ago I started working with people who left SCEA and joined my company, they were on the Everquest team. According to them they only charged for the game because they learned from market research suckers would pay as fee if they're told it goes towards 'maintaining and expanding the world' but the truth of it was the cash that millions of people put into it buying the disc version and the upgrade discs (as WoW does) more than sufficed in creation, updates, maintenance, and employee admins/moderators with heaps of profit on the side. WoW is exponentially larger than Evercrack as it was so addictively nicely called could ever dream to be. Sure EQ was Sony and they got deep pockets, but Activision-Blizzard isn't one to laugh at either, and if the put the cash up and designed it right from the get go as I know they likely did, all these monthly rates are just some very deep and yummy financial frosting for them. As far as erasing characters, there's some, don't have a list, but I do know that Square erases FF characters as it's in the TOS, as does that korean group that does Silkroad. FF I think has a 90day login/no pay clause that if you stop paying the monthlies you can't just 'park it' and come back, it's done after 90 days. Mind you this was when it came out, I dunno if they caught hell and amended it later on, but it started out as such.

Fact is you and I aren't going to agree on this, and it could end up going in circles. You're addicted to pay-per-month gaming, and I'm most definitely not. You're fine sticking to 1 game and owning technically nothing but intangible data on a promise, whereas I'm old school and want something solid to hold onto that in general has a start and an end to it. It's two different worlds.

Your right we are not going to agree on this cause your mind is closed which is fine you believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe but please do not say its blackmail or a scam when its not. I could say that console games or non MMORPGs are just a scam. I know for a fact that it doesnt cost them 60 bucks to make a game it is actually alot cheaper, but this is not what this topic is about I started it to find out if they are any other MMO players out there like myself.

If you want to discuss how MMOs are ripoffs and scams please take it elsewhere since you have no idea what you are talking about stop calling them scams and blackmail just because you dont know what you are talking about. This is not why I started this thread. I respect your opinion and I understand that you dont like them but keep the flaming outta this thread.

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J_K

No I'm not close minded, I get what you like I just don't have to like it and I tried it a bit and it didn't set well with me at all especially after the former SOE employees told me how those games are pay structured to milk free cash as I felt used. Sorry if the facts of it offend you but my stuff comes from truth of actual employees in the earlier days of pay MMOs and beyond that having been part of game making for 2 years and media for another 3 or so in the last decade.

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CanisWolfred

@JK

FF11 still does that, which really sucks since by now my character's gone. Oh well, I could always start anew once I get a steady job going. I don't like the pyramid scheme either, but if the game's fun, I don't see why I can't pay for a few months, so long as I got the money.

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I don't. The reason why I don't bother with MMORPGs is because I might become so addicted to them, I might go wild if something bad happened to it (like that World of Warcraft kid who rolled around screaming in his boxers after his mother deleted his account).

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PunnyGuy wrote:

I don't. The reason why I don't bother with MMORPGs is because I might become so addicted to them, I might go wild if something bad happened to it (like that World of Warcraft kid who rolled around screaming in his boxers after his mother deleted his account).

...That's only a problem is you become obsessed, or have an addictive personality. If you have any ability to pace yourself, you won't have those problems. Because really, you can have those problems with virtually any game.

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Cia

Yeah, i played World of Warcraft about 1,5 years. Had a couple of truly memorable moments with that game, but mostly it's just grinding or repeating the same dungeons or battlegrounds ad infinitum. I'll propably buy the Cataclysm expansion when it comes anyway, for just to experience the main content of it.

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Mickeymac wrote:

PunnyGuy wrote:

I don't. The reason why I don't bother with MMORPGs is because I might become so addicted to them, I might go wild if something bad happened to it (like that World of Warcraft kid who rolled around screaming in his boxers after his mother deleted his account).

...That's only a problem is you become obsessed, or have an addictive personality. If you have any ability to pace yourself, you won't have those problems. Because really, you can have those problems with virtually any game.

I see. My real reason why I don't play MMORPGs is that I have to pay a monthly fee for them. Also, I only use my computer for the Internet. I leave the games to my Wii and DS. So why make me pay for something I may rarely use? The real reason why I don't play MMORPGs is because I'm too lazy and not interested. I also wanted to talk about people that are caught on film overreacting over a deleted or hacked account.

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PunnyGuy wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

PunnyGuy wrote:

I don't. The reason why I don't bother with MMORPGs is because I might become so addicted to them, I might go wild if something bad happened to it (like that World of Warcraft kid who rolled around screaming in his boxers after his mother deleted his account).

...That's only a problem is you become obsessed, or have an addictive personality. If you have any ability to pace yourself, you won't have those problems. Because really, you can have those problems with virtually any game.

I see. My real reason why I don't play MMORPGs is that I have to pay a monthly fee for them. Also, I only use my computer for the Internet. I leave the games to my Wii and DS. So why make me pay for something I may rarely use? The real reason why I don't play MMORPGs is because I'm too lazy and not interested.

At least they're good reasons.

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Tasuki

PunnyGuy wrote:

Mickeymac wrote:

PunnyGuy wrote:

I don't. The reason why I don't bother with MMORPGs is because I might become so addicted to them, I might go wild if something bad happened to it (like that World of Warcraft kid who rolled around screaming in his boxers after his mother deleted his account).

...That's only a problem is you become obsessed, or have an addictive personality. If you have any ability to pace yourself, you won't have those problems. Because really, you can have those problems with virtually any game.

I see. My real reason why I don't play MMORPGs is that I have to pay a monthly fee for them. Also, I only use my computer for the Internet. I leave the games to my Wii and DS. So why make me pay for something I may rarely use? The real reason why I don't play MMORPGs is because I'm too lazy and not interested. I also wanted to talk about people that are caught on film overreacting over a deleted or hacked account.

Yeah I agree those people can be soooo mental over a game. I personally know a guy whos wife threatened to leave him if he didnt quit WoW. It was nuts he told me that he would play from sun up to sun down easily 16+ hours a day. I cant see playing any game for that long I have to take brakes after a couple of hours even with console games. But just like everything else people just have to take MMOs in moderation.

I dont know if you guys ever saw a movie called Second Skin you can stream it through Netflix and find it on places like Hulu. Anyway its about how MMOs can end up taking over peoples lives its a pretty interesting movie.

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