Topic: YR: NX's initial 1st party lineup is like this

@Megumi: There's 3D Land, which plays very similarly

So back on topic.....This is what the NX launch should be.... Minus the Daisy one that one sucks

@yaryah21: These aren't launch titles, they're possible games that could appear within the system's first year or so on the market.

Y'know, I COULD go into detail how you can't just judge a game by pictures alone and not play it, but others have done so before, and yet you still have this "Judge a book by it's cover" attitude, so I'm not even going to bother. Anywho, I find that list to be...meh. Except for F-Zero. That would be awesome.

First two are new games while the third was made with the 3DS version.

Wii Fit U, NSMBU, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, the Yarn gimmick of Whooly World, Wii Sports Club, Wii Party U

Yes, yes, uh...sequel, no, yes, and yes

I don't want Nintendo to rush their games, but they should be giving us something to hold us over until their bigger games like Zelda are finished.

Like all the games coming out soon?

@LztheQuack: What's the next big Wii U release from Nintendo? Yoshi's Wooly World, which comes out in what, October? Which mean we have to wait 5 months after Splatoon to play a Wii U game. Unacceptable. I don't want Nintendo rushing games, but with no 3rd party support, would it kill them to give us something in between that time?

Yes. Name a studio or company that is capable of producing games for two systems in the frequency you want.

@LztheQuack: That's where the problem lies. Nintendo is spreading it's developers too thin, they can barely prop up 2 platforms at a time, which requires them to pad out it's console games with mostly outsourced projects. Luckily the NX looks to address this issue.

That mentality doesn't really work in this context. The rehash problem is all about ideas, what kind of new concepts they can apply to the gameplay. If there are no new concepts to speak of, then they've already failed. It doesn't matter how good the game is, how tight the physics are, how good it "feels" to play the game. There's nothing to get interested in.

Tropical Freeze is definitely a rehash.

Yoshi's Woolly World technically isn't, but it is a mashup of Yoshi's Island and Kirby's Epic Yarn, so there's no real creativity in that game.

Even though the NX may also be the problem right now?

3D World is a sequel...not a rehash.

Bolt_Strike adamantly refuses to have an educated opinion on any of the games he talks about at length, so I'm not surprised this thread has devolved into yet another "herpa durr rehash" compost heap.

You don't need to play a game to have an educated opinion about it.

No it's not. A sequel is more along the lines of Sunshine and Galaxy or Metroid Prime 2 and Metroid Prime 3. 3D World is a rehash.

I'll admit, rehash it a bit harsh, but my point kind of stands. Nintendo has largely been relying on Wii-like experiences throughout much of the Wii U's life hoping lighting will strike twice. What they only just NOW realize is that they don't have keep leeching off the Wii's success to make the Wii U successful. In fact, that's a big reason WHY the system failed. It was trying to continue the Wii's legacy of all ages gaming, with added support for the PS360 audience. The problem was the terrible name too similar to it's predecessor, the poor marketing, and the big, unweildy, labrynth of a controller that is the gamepad which is the pollar opposite of the Wii's original purpose in the first place.

I don't mind Nintendo continuing to wide gaming's appeal, and fill niches left by pretty much most of the industry. But they need to learn to let the Wii go and try to make the NX stand on it's own.

It's both. It's not a level pack like Super Mario Galaxy 2, but it lacks much conceptual originality, instead opting to simply expand on an old idea. Compare that to Sunshine vs 64, or Mario World vs. SMB3, and it seems a bit like a rehash.

Generally, I agree with the sentiment of TheMisterManGuy that Nintendo needs some more original and grand experiences.

The Wii U feels like a "back to the basics" console. Outside of pure party games, the system is almost entirely focused on pure action genres like 2D Platformer and Hack n' Slash, and is severely lacking in more complex genres like Adventure, RPG, 3D Platformer, Shooter, or RTS (excluding Tower Defense, as much as I love it). Even in Smash and Mario Kart, the core gameplay is more the focus than it has been in a very long time, with Smash missing many of the great side modes Brawl had, and Mario Kart having a gimped battle mode. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with refining the core concept once in a while, but the Wii U is unbalanced towards this.

I'd like to see Nintendo go back to these more complex ideas that, instead of focusing on one refined type of play, mixes them up to create something bigger.

No, by that logic Metroid Prime 2 is simply a rehash, same goes for the Galaxy games and Sunshine.

What sets Prime and Sunshine/Galaxy apart from 3D World is that Prime, Sunshine, and Galaxy all had new gameplay mechanics that significantly changed the game. 3D World didn't, all of its improvements were smaller in scale and had less impact on the game.

Rehash is the reuse of old ideas in a newer product. By technical definition, Mario 3D world and Metroid Prime 2/3 are rehashes. On that note, most games now are just rehashes

You illustrated the reason why that definition is not specific enough quite beautifully, simply reusing an old idea doesn't make something a rehash. By that logic, the only games that aren't rehashes are entirely new IPs. A rehash is when you recycle an idea without adding anything new to it. Sunshine, Galaxy, and Prime 2 and 3 don't rehash their predecessors because they do something new with the formula, Sunshine adds FLUDD, Galaxy has the gravity mechanics, Prime 2 has the light/dark world system, and Prime 3 has the PED Suit and ship mechanics. They're adding new ideas to the formula that have a significant impact on the game. The NSMB games, 3D World, and Tropical Freeze don't really do this, their additions are all smaller scale and/or aren't utilized in the gameplay much, so they don't have the same impact.

@Bolt_Strike: Can we not have this argument again? You think 3D World doesn't do anything new or interesting while you haven't played it. Lots of people who have played the game disagree with you. You aren't going to change your opinion, so why are we having this conversation again? Lets just stop. Everyone, please stop bringing up 3D World while @Blot_Strike is around, the conversation gets derailed too often.