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Topic: Would you rather have a Smash 4 Deluxe Edition now or wait for a Sequel?

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SheldonRandoms

If they can keep adding fighters and stages and rev it to Switch as something where Super Smash Bros. is now a platform game, a.k.a. a game they just continually update forever LIEK Team Fortress 2, then DAT would be swell enough....

A new game would also be NOICE, i'm saying THESE since if they did keep updating smash and ported Wii U = they'd use same renders for artwork = they don't gotta rev new amiibo of all the smash fighters, YEEah, it all comes down to amiibo, lol

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@GoldenGamer88 I like your reasoning for having a port for Smash 4 but I'm confused with the second half of your argument. Why do you think Smash 5 wouldn't be the same scale smash 4 is right now?
With a sequel it would of course have more stages, characters, be more enhanced, new modes etc. Furthermore they could also do a service with the sequel adding content every month and year.

Also I'm 99% certain it's only going to be one or the other. It would be ridiculous of Nintendo to release an enhanced port of a game then release the sequel a couple years later. Mario Kart 8 deluxe has a bunch of additional content compared to the base version. Nintendo would also be shooting themselves in the foot to ignore the install bases by adding a sequel right after the port.
Thank you for your insight though, it's always nice to have people give their thoughts.

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iLikeUrAttitude

@Inertiacreep I wouldn't necessarily call it lazy, it would just be faster and more efficient. It would be lazy if it was just a straight up port with no content added and no access to the DLC roster.
If there was to be a port of Smash 4 then Nintendo would obviously approach it like they did with Mario Kart 8 - with more characters, stages, modes, etc.

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JayJ

Sequel please! Smash 4 was hardly a perfect game so a sequel would bring in a lot of well needed improvement.

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Rusted_Gold

I would like to see a port of Smash 4 and a deluxe version would be even more awesome, I never owned a Wii-U so I have only played Smash 4 on the 3DS, and I never bought any of the DLC characters for it, so the game would be basically a new experience again, and even if some the DLC characters were not included due to Licensing, blah blah I would still want to see a port.

Now for Unpopular opinion time,
I am all for Wii-U ports of any solid Wii-U games since I never owned a Wii-U, the switch just hit 10 million units sold and it is on a fast track to out sell the Wii-U.

and to continue with another opinion maybe a more popular one about the Wii-U from what I have seen or played on the Wii-U at a friends house or on display at best buy, or just experience from playing ports on the Switch the Wii-U was a very good console with some amazing games, just no one played them due to no one owning a Wii-U. Think of it this way the Wii-U was easily the most unsuccessful console with some of the best games of the last generation so bringing the ports over of the really good games in my opinion is a very good thing. I know for Wii-U owners ports are kinda lame since no one wants to buy the same game twice, but whiten the next year or two, once the Switch out sells the Wii-U to the majority of Switch owners who never played these games the first time around, Wii-U ports are basically brand new titles. I never played Mario Kart 8 till I got Switch, same with Pokken Tournament, and Mario Kart 8 currently has an above 50% attach rate to the switch and its a port.

Long Story short I do want a Smash 5, but right now I am more then Satisfied with getting a port of Smash 4, to hold me over till Smash 5.

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iLikeUrAttitude

@JayJ Well no game is perfect. What were your problems with Smash 4?

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iLikeUrAttitude

@Rusted_Gold I don't think you're in the minority when it comes to wanting more ports for the Wii-U. In fact I seen more people list what games they would like to see ported over to the Switch.
I myself never owned a Wii-U (the marketing for it was horrible) and I would be happy buying those ports and experiencing those amazing games for the first time.

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GoldenGamer88

@iLikeUrAttitude Now, I am no programmer or anything of that sort but I’d imagine there‘s quite a lot of work going into veterans from one game to its sequel. New models, changes to their moveset, animations and so on. Doing this with the entire roster of Smash 4 in combination with newcomers would be quite the workload. Now, of course, Switch and WiiU are quite comparable in graphical capabilities so this may lessen that workload by taking models directly from Smash 4. But I still believe the roster of Smash 4 has reached a size that is simply too big to bring a majority of fighters plus newcomers to a sequel at its launch. I mean, have you ever seen a fighting game that is not fan-made with 80 or so playable characters? I most certainly haven‘t and that‘s the reasoning behind it, I‘d imagine.

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iLikeUrAttitude wrote:

Why do you think Smash 5 wouldn't be the same scale smash 4 is right now? With a sequel it would of course have more stages, characters, be more enhanced, new modes etc. Furthermore they could also do a service with the sequel adding content every month and year.

Because Smash Bros 4 when you include the DLC already had twice as much content as any game before it. A Smash Bros 5 almost by definition would require them to start with a clean slate again. In doing so we'd inevitably lose some content that already existed on Wii U and/or 3DS. Could it eventually become bigger than Smash Bros 4 via DLC ect? Well sure. But a Smash 4 for Switch would start as a bigger game.

Really, I don't see any possible way that Smash 5 could be "better" than a "Smash Bros for Switch" built on the already existing Smash Bros 3DS/Wii U. Unless what you really want out of Smash Bros 5 is a different kind of game physics.....

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Deku-Scrub

I personally want a Smash sequel rather than a port because if we get a Smash 4 Deluxe, we most likely won't be getting a real second Smash game on the console at all. Not to mention how boring a port of Smash 4 would be to me and probably others. I've been playing Smash 4 for 3 years now, and probably will continue until whenever the next Smash comes out, but if we're just going to see a Deluxe version I probably will barely touch it. I want some slightly different physics, new characters, new moves potentially, perhaps a story mode or some new innovative mode that does a lot more than what Run and Tour did in Smash 4. I get that a Smash 4 port would be much more quicker to make and would probably release sometime next year, while a Smash 5 game would most likely release in 2019 at the earliest, but Smash 4 is still a decently relevant game, and quite frankly isn't in need really of a Deluxe version. Mario Kart I feel makes more sense as a Deluxe game since it fixes the Battle Mode, and makes the whole experience more well-rounded, but I don't really see what else they could do to Smash 4 to make it any better without it feeling like a complete rip-off the Wii U fans.

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GoldenGamer88 wrote:

I mean, have you ever seen a fighting game that is not fan-made with 80 or so playable characters? I most certainly haven‘t and that‘s the reasoning behind it, I‘d imagine.

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Try 161 characters. Granted a reasonable portion are variations of the same few characters, but there are still some model differences in most of them (as well as some alternate skins that use a different model as well).

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GoldenGamer88

@iLikeUrAttitude Never heard of it. But then again, I‘m not huge into fighting games lol.

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GoldenGamer88

@shaneoh Had a feeling somebody might bring up a DBZ game, may it be Budokai or Xenoverse. Fair point.

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iLikeUrAttitude

@GoldenGamer88 lol Me neither. Smash is the only fighting game I'm into that and Injustice.

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JayJ

@iLikeUrAttitude I simply think they could do better. Smash 4 was better than the Wii version of Smash, I'll give em that, but as far as the game goes I feel like it had a lot of room to expand upon. I mean the roster is amazing, hard to complain after the DLC, but the single player experience felt lacking. The online multiplayer worked but it definitely could be made better and a lot deeper. I mean I liked the game for what it had to offer, but if we are going to have a new Smash release I would really like to seem them do a sequel. The deluxe edition worked fine for some launch games, but at this point I want to see some new games.

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iLikeUrAttitude

@JayJ Yeah I really wish the other smash games had some good single player content. Brawl may have been the worse competitive wise but it objectively had the best single player experience with the sub space. That was easily the best part of Brawl.
I own the 3ds version of Smash 4 and the online could use some improvements. The most obvious being a ranked mode in For glory.

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ilikeike

@GoldenGamer88 I see your reasoning regarding the amount of work needed to create more models, stages, etc., but I think a lot of that can be circumvented by the approach I proposed earlier. Take the base game of Smash 4, which is fantastic as it is, and make minor adjustments to the core gameplay through tweaks in physics, movement, etc. with additional help from an experienced third-party partner like Bandai Namco. Meanwhile, Nintendo's internal developers can focus on new characters and stages with technical assistance from Bandai. Additionally, a good amount of characters from Smash 4 can be easily replaced with new fighters, solving the issue of an oversized cast. I don't think many people would bemoan the loss of a clone character like Dark Pit, for example.
Using this method they could get a brand-new, large-scale Smash title out relatively soon by the end of 2018. However, I think that a new Smash is much more likely to be a mid-2019 title, even with accelerated development.

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kkslider5552000

It should be Smash 4 again, on the basis that I can't see Nintendo not releasing Smash in 2018 but I can't see a proper Smash 5 living up to previous games if released that soon. The only way it SHOULD be Smash 5 is if the game is either

-has been in development for a LONG time or
-will follow the Splatoon model of post launch content

and I'm not even sure how well people would respond to the latter (though I'd prefer it).

Also, assuming it's Smash 4, it shouldn't have new characters. Because they're running out of characters to really sell new Smash Bros games on.

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