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skywake

DannyBoi wrote:

Now would be the perfect time for SD card backup. There are new Switch consoles with a different chip that is much more difficult tohack. So adding it in now wouldmake sense. I sincerely hope Nintendo adds it. And plus, with the old Switch, it is completely hacked now, soadding it wouldmake hardly and difference. And the new Switch, well much more difficult to hack, so again adding it wouod make sense.

1. They're not going to maintain two firmware
2. The thing they stopped was a different kind of hack, it obviously didn't involve save game manipulation
3. Microsoft blocksmanual save backups for this same reason. Even some Wii games made it harder to move your saves for this reason. I for one don't want Mario Kart 8 on Switch to end up like Mario Kart Wii

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DannyBoi

I have actually stopped using my Switch because I fear losinh my data. I know it is a drastic measure, but if you think I am going to play a game I put 200 hours into after losing save data, think again. Yes, it seems strange to dosomething like this, but I will not lose save data.

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Hyrule

@DannyBoi Saves at been at risk since March 2017, what's 2 more months before being able to back up to the cloud. Cloud saving will be fine and probably the most simple and convenient way of backing up. SD or external drive backups aren't happening anytime soon.

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DannyBoi

@Hyrule Saves being at risk are unnacetable in any case. And plus, a lot of fans want SD card backup or alternative method of backup. Plus, if enough people complain, that might get Nintendo to pull their finger out.

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HobbitGamer

DannyBoi wrote:

@Hyrule Saves being at risk are unnacetable in any case.

You must not be from the era of cartridges having batteries in them for the save feature.
I'm not at all miffed about this. It will come when it comes. DS didn't have it for the longest time. And if I lost some save data, would I be annoyed? sure, mildly. But I don't think anyone OWES it to me to act like LifeLock and store my entertainment files as if I can't survive without it.

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RedderRugfish

@HobbitGamer Honestly. I've gone my whole life without having any means to back up my save data, and suddenly it's a big deal.

When I was a kid, I used to write my passwords on any random piece of paper I could find, and then when I was ready to continue, I could never find it. Does that count as save data loss?

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HobbitGamer

@ReaderRagfish That's definitely save data loss, haha. Remember when there were 2-4 pages in instruction manuals specifically for writing down the passcodes? Once memory cards came out, I never lost a save file. Except for that annoying MadKatz 4X Dreamcast card, the one with the digital selection between "cards". Sooo, I don't get it.

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RedderRugfish

@HobbitGamer I had a 3rd party memory card for the N64 that refused to hold a save for more than a month. I just used it for snowboard kids, because I liked that game so much that whenever it was deleted it gave me an excuse to play through the entire game again.

I never had an issue with any first party card though, and I've never had a game that uses flash memory/eeprom delete itself.

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DannyBoi

@HobbitGamer Ah yes, the cartridge era. I rememember that:). Imainly played during the era when cartridges used flash memeory, not batteries, so never lost data. The only console that gave me problems was the Gamecube. Had no end of trouble with memeory cads corrupting.

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DannyBoi

@HobbitGamer Thank goodness for save states on the 3ds/Wii U virtual console.

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HobbitGamer

@ReaderRagfish LOVE snowboard kids. I had an issue with a 3rd party game in GCN, now that I remember. It also happened on Eternal Darkness. I swear, that used copy did not like me.

@DannyBoi I had a copy of EarthBound that the battery died on. Easy to replace, but still frustrating for that game.

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DannyBoi

Lets do a test. Whoever thinks SD card backup should be allowed on tbe Switch say yes. And whoever thinks it shouldn't, say no. I just want to get a feel for what people feel about this.

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Smash_kirby

@DannyBoi The issue is that a lot of more recent hacks for Nintendo systems used game saves to do it, on the PS4 there is a purchasable tool that will put beaten game saves onto your PS4, or even mess with the trophies. I do think Nintendo knows people want this capability, but as it stands, they aren't doing anything right now.

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DannyBoi

@Smash_kirby You thinkthey really are aware othat people want it? They never talk about kt, it's all cloud save tbis, cloud save that

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LuckyLand

In my opinion, every console must allow the player to backup their saved data, it should be a right for the user of a console to be able to backup his saves.
I personally want saves backup on Switch because of Skyrim. It would be a useful function anyway, but probably I would not care about it for other games as much as I do for TES games.
I mean I used it for other games in the past, I played DKCR on Wii and then I copied my 200% save on my PC and can use it on Dolphin. It is very useful and convenient, but when it comes to TES games it is absolutely indispensable for me.

I still hope that Nintendo will improve Switch in the future, right now it lacks too many things (no saves backup, no virtual console, no multimedia player...)

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DannyBoi

@LuckyLand I have read your comments on SD card save backupand I completely agrre<3. Nintendo know the fans want it, but will not give it us because they are scared of what the "big bad hackers" can do.

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LuckyLand

DannyBoi wrote:

@LuckyLand I have read your comments on SD card save backupand I completely agrre<3. Nintendo know the fans want it, but will not give it us because they are scared of what the "big bad hackers" can do.

And also because they try to sell a few more online subscription even to those who are not interested in online gaming.

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DannyBoi

@LuckyLand We shouod make more peopleaware of this problem, and Nintendo obviously.

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DannyBoi

I had a thoought a coupleof hours ago. Nintendo are lucky it is not a law to offer more than one way of backing up data. As they would be in serious trouble. And if it is a law, Oh boy, will they be in trouble.

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skywake

@DannyBoi
Just because you think something up doesn't make it profound. The idea that a company controlling how you use their product is illegal is a little bit over the top. And even if it was somehow illegal the law would be a bit absurd in this case because while technically "more controlled" than previous systems the Switch is one of the least offensive systems in terms of practical backups of saves Nintendo has ever produced.

Officially and without hacking or third party products that came out after the fact:

NES: No
SNES: No
N64: Kinda, not really. Partial game data on some games. No official way to make a "backup" copy
GBA: No
GC: Yes, via proprietary memory cards
DS: No

Wii: Yes, allowed copying of saves to SD card. Some online titles blocked this feature

3DS: Kinda. Yes for digital but I'd argue no for cartridges. With cartridges you can technically copy the save data but only from the game to a digital purchase with an app. But when you use this tool it deletes the save data on the cartridge and the process can't be reversed. Less of a "backup" and more of a non-reversible transferring of save data to a digital purchase.

Wii U: Yes. Used a proprietary file system for external storage, added copying between two drives in v3.0. The saves were tied to game and patch data in the data management tool so this could be a long process. So while technically possible it was never something you'd run on a regular basis if at all.

Switch: Yes, automated cloud saves via online subscription

LuckyLand wrote:

I mean I used it for other games in the past, I played DKCR on Wii and then I copied my 200% save on my PC and can use it on Dolphin. It is very useful and convenient, but when it comes to TES games it is absolutely indispensable for me.

As I've said previously in this thread, this is exactly why manual backups of saves aren't the way to go. If someone as enthusiastic about this as you can only list a handful of specific games and times they backed up their saves? It's completely useless for the average user.

Additionally the mentioning of dolphin is odd given that:
1. I think it's pretty obvious why Nintendo wouldn't care about that benefit
2. If you're emulating the game what happens on the console itself is of no consequence

Edited on by skywake

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