@toiletduck hmm good point, last i checked talkers werent this cheap. Looks like $150-220 for 8"tablets. So in the current economy as opposed to launch, you're right.
Though i still can't help but think of protectionism. Time spent watching video is time spent not consuming games. Thinking of that kids audience, they seem to be disproportionate media consumers that will kill time with anything passive.... Nintendo would rather they consume more games.
Similarly i can't help but think Nintendo's ignoring fighter z and brushing it aside is smash protectionism. Not unlike Sega stiffing ea with the stealth launch is Saturn to protect sales of their own sports games.
Locking a free service (YouTube) or a subscription service (Netflix) behind another paid service makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Why would Netflix even bother coming to the Switch if they are going to be locked behind yet another subscription service? It is not reasonable or in Netflix's interest to lock away a huge potential audience to those who also require another membership (from which they are unlikely to receive much, if any revenue). The same applies to YouTube, which is freely accessible on many devices, including the majority of smart phones, tablets, and the 3DS family of systems. YouTube have ad revenue to make. Again, why would they limit their potential audience (and profitability) by restricting themselves to a paid service from which they do not receive any money?
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Quite frankly, I think it's stupid that it's taking this long for these services to come to the platform (as well as the internet browser). The 3DS and Wii U made it quite easy to access the internet browser to access walkthroughs on the fly. On Switch, I need to use another device entirely, which feels ridiculous in this day and age.
Never understood the rebuttal “ I have other devices for that” so to watch downloaded Netflix movies you would rather carry two devices instead of one?
If I already carried my switch to work for breaks and I could also watch Netflix on it I’d rather watch on the switch than hold my phone up for 30min to an hour
"Why should I carry two devices"
"If I am carrying my Switch and a phone"
...... ?
This is why people are making the argument you supposedly don't understand. I always have my phone on me. If I am traveling for any distance and want Netflix I will put my tablet in my bag. If I am home I have multiple devices for Netflix. I never find myself in a position where Netflix & YouTube aren't available and the Switch is the only option.
Is it sometimes and very occasionally going to be the better device? Sure, very occasionally. But it's never something that is needed. Netflix never launched on 3DS here, I managed fine without it on that device. I never used it on Wii U. I'm sure I'd never use it on Switch
@Therad what part of it is niche? Watching Netflix or having breaks at work
The entire case. Someone downloading movies to the switch because they want to watch Netflix on breaks because it is better than their phone.
In what way is it better than using your phone? The screen size, the extra weight?
Nintendo isn't the one deciding if the apps should come to the switch, Netflix and YouTube decides that.
Will the bigger audience make up for the extra cost of development, maintenance and customer service? Probably not. They might still do it though.
@NEStalgia we bought 7" tablets to our kids 4-5 years ago for about $100. Long before the switch was released.
In fact, that was my main complaint about the hybrid model, why buy an expensive model to the kids when we can just buy 2 tablets and have spare change.
Though i still can't help but think of protectionism. Time spent watching video is time spent not consuming games. Thinking of that kids audience, they seem to be disproportionate media consumers that will kill time with anything passive.... Nintendo would rather they consume more games.
Most adults and even teens will have a second device for Netflix or at the very least some control of what they watch on the TV. So you're right, this would mostly be for kids. Except that kids don't usually buy their games or have much of a concept of the value of money. Especially younger kids.
A kid isn't going to put "keep Netflix going" on their Christmas wish list. They're not going to put "no games because I watch Netflix more on this". They're going to want the same amount of games regardless because, for them, more games doesn't cost them anything more.
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Does anyone remember that Netflix used to be locked behind a Xbox Live sub? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Then Netflix and Microsoft realized they could add more eyeballs by not doing that, allowing Netflix more active subs, and Microsoft a road to plant itself in the living room instead of a gaming room. It makes little to no sense to place Netflix in a similar locked situation again, only to have to reverse course later. That makes users and investors question decisions.
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@Therad Prices certainly came down more than expected in the past year, but 4 years ago? Those $100 tablets were still really awful Gingerbread tablets weren't they?
@skywake I don't know that they'll put "no games because I watch Netflix" but kids are easily amused by watching endless hours of Youtube and Netflix and, apparently, playing Fortnite for free. What does Nintendo get out of that deal for parents that get their kids as Switch because it's a colorful tablet from a known brand that's a known kid friendly brand, they can occupy their kids for endless hours and play some big name free games on? And lets face it, most of the parents buying their kids tablets and free game devices are doing it to "make the kids disappear" as much as possible, for as little money as possible. A Switch, cartoons, and an endless play game probably would have worked well on me as a kid on that front! Our endless play games were arcade ports back in the day....
Article 6 years ago. And they worked perfectly fine for what they were. And since then you have been able to find cheap once. But it is easier to find cheap phones.
I would say the tablet market isn't as big anymore, partly because phones have become bigger. The switch screen is nearer in size to newer phones than tablets.
@Yosheel yeah that's not true in the slightest lol. Certainly not releasing at the same clip as years past but there are plenty of great tablets in all sizes nowadays whether you're Android of iOS.
Oh yes I love their new variety of sizes, “big” and “bigger”. So many options
For Android I’m not sure since there’s several producers, but the few smaller tablets I find on sale are either old models or cheap/“for kids” versions.
Keep in mind that this very subjective, and there’s nothing false in slightlest about my perception.
Solid tablets, small size, modern (ish) android build, was released last year so not old at all. Even the budget Kindle fire 8 (would avoid the 7) handles most things even gaming well.
So yes there are still good tablets of all sizes releasing.
I know about the iPad mini 4. I'm using one right now. I also know it's three hundred Apple-years old now and it will likely not get a new model any time soon, if ever.
That samsung one is basically the only recent example of a major developer releasing a smaller tablet. As far as I know. And I did consider it, but I haven't really seen it on sale around here.
Anyway, I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of hyperbole.
@Yosheel point being if you want a smaller tablet, there are still options. Not a lot but they're there. And saying newer tabs are the size of a laptop is as much of a reach as the OP lol. Hope you like you like your iPad
Sorry for derailing the thread, Netflix and YouTube won't be behind a pay wall I don't think
@Therad Yeah, the sketchy Chinese import "white box" type tablets (at least back then)....compared to that Switch is one of those "big" name players the article mentions that were competing at the $500 mark.
Obviously those prices don't hold today, but the idea that Nintendo is a "big name brand" compared to "ARIX" and "Lifewin" carries weight.
@NEStalgia we bought Lenovo, they still work. Even with all the "care" the children gave them. About 100 bucks. The article also mentioned small companies like Asus and Samsung.
Granted, the software is too old now.
@yosheel I think the small ones disappeared when phablets become common. that is probably the nearest you will find. I agree that 7" is a quite good size. 10-12 starts to feel cumbersome.
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