If Nintendo dump the WiiU early in favour of a new console, I see it as being just a quick fix to the current problems.
Nintendo could quite easily bring out new hardware with specs similar or just ahead of the XBONE/PS4 consoles, which would be a clean slate for Nintendo to start again with 3rd parties. But the thing is, what's going to happen in 3 or so years when Microsoft and Sony decide to bring out their next consoles, Nintendo are going to be left with outdated hardware again.
Nintendo would do better to hold out for that bit longer and release hardware inline with the other two, and at around the same time frame.
One thing we all know for sure is that Nintendo will do as they see fit, and stick two fingers to common sense and what we want as gamers.
I think the Xbox One and PS4 will have a longer lifespan like Xbox 360 and PS3 so something like a 2021 release date. Nintendo releasing a new home console in the middle of the other 2 consoles' lifespan is dangerous and could make Nintendo be considered the same as SEGA was with the Dreamcast. If the NX is coming out in the next few years, it's almost certainly a handheld which is backed up by @skywake's graph of the past lifespans (don't forget that Nintendo officially considered the GameCube a failure at one of their E3 conferences).
Wii launched in late 2006. By 2009, releases had slowed to a trickle.
When the 3DS launched in 2011, Nintendo almost immediately stopped talking about the DS and Wii. (it was like four months after the 3DS launch the next game for either they announced was... well I forget but it something nobody asked for like Wii Fit Plus. )
Just over 4 years before they nearly abandoned development is too long?
Why do so many people think Nintendo's worst selling console will have the longest lifespan of any of it's hardware?
But as long as their home console with the longest lifespan would be November 2018 for it's successor. For portables it would be either early 2019 or mid 2022 depending on whether or not you count the VB as a GB successor. I don't think for a second that the Wii U will be around for that long. I don't think the PS4 will even be around for that long.
For the 3DS however late 2017 gives it a longer lifespan than the DS. So I'll ask you your question. What makes you think the 3DS should have the longest lifespan of any Nintendo console? And what is so great that can't be done on the Wii U that it needs to be replaced maybe upto a year earlier than the Gamecube was?
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
"Again, if it is a console, they would have started development on it very soon after releasing the Wii U. That gives them plenty of development time to release within the next couple of years."
That would make sense but the NX would then be competing with the PS4 and Xbox One, instead of PS5 and Xbox Whatever.
If it is a console, then 2017 would mean 5 years after the Wii U. That doesn't sound "so soon" to me, especially for a console that is practically a failure when comparing its sales to the competition. Plus, I doubt they would have said anything about it if it weren't more than 1 or 2 years away.
Yeah but surely they wouldn't be launching a portable and a home console at the same time? Unless that's what you're suggesting. Because if the NX is a home console and it launches in late 2017 then the 3DS doesn't get replaced until when? Late 2018? That seems a bit nuts to me.
However if the NX is a portable? Well then they can launch as early as late 2016 and still have a year before the home console comes out. Then they'd still not be cutting the Wii U that short. Or they could launch in late 2017 and again it wouldn't be a ridiculously long period of time before the next home console.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
Wii launched in late 2006. By 2009, releases had slowed to a trickle.
When the 3DS launched in 2011, Nintendo almost immediately stopped talking about the DS and Wii. (it was like four months after the 3DS launch the next game for either they announced was... well I forget but it something nobody asked for like Wii Fit Plus. )
Just over 4 years before they nearly abandoned development is too long?
The Wii shattered records the Christmas of 2009. I'm pretty sure either their 2009 or 2010 E3 is widely considered one of Nintendo's best E3s of all time.
I'm not going to deny the Wii slowed down, it did, but a few years later than you say.
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The question that needs to be asked is why do WiiU owners assume Nintendo should continue supporting the hardware for periods equal to or longer than N64 or GameCube?
Not a Wii U owner, but Nintendo should continue supporting the hardware to get a reasonable return on their investment in the system. Releasing a new home console early will just shut down any opportunity to make money off of the Wii U in favor of something unpredictable.
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Wii launched in late 2006. By 2009, releases had slowed to a trickle.
When the 3DS launched in 2011, Nintendo almost immediately stopped talking about the DS and Wii. (it was like four months after the 3DS launch the next game for either they announced was... well I forget but it something nobody asked for like Wii Fit Plus. )
Just over 4 years before they nearly abandoned development is too long?
What I was saying was that Skyward Sword and Motion + should have been moved to Wii U (it certainly would have been better if it weren't called that), the latter system should have launched in 2011, and it should have focused on improved one handed controllers.
I believe that development on epic games for Wii died off because the hardware was just too weak.
Yeah but surely they wouldn't be launching a portable and a home console at the same time? Unless that's what you're suggesting. Because if the NX is a home console and it launches in late 2017 then the 3DS doesn't get replaced until when? Late 2018? That seems a bit nuts to me.
It's not impossible that NX is a slate of different platforms with a shared X86 OS, starting with a powerful home console and a powerful standalone tablet in the same year (making the porting of games between those systems easy).
Yeah but surely they wouldn't be launching a portable and a home console at the same time? Unless that's what you're suggesting. Because if the NX is a home console and it launches in late 2017 then the 3DS doesn't get replaced until when? Late 2018? That seems a bit nuts to me.
It's not impossible that NX is a slate of different platforms with a shared X86 OS, starting with a powerful home console and a powerful standalone tablet in the same year (making the porting of games between those systems easy).
You're dancing around the point. They could be using the same OS and a similar architecture, that's not out of the question. They could be built with the intention of making ports easier. But even then it seems unlikely that they'd release them both in the same year. More likely they'll give at least a year gap between the two. And if so it makes more sense to have the portable out first.
The question that needs to be asked is why do WiiU owners assume Nintendo should continue supporting the hardware for periods equal to or longer than N64 or GameCube?
Because if they want to start their next home console with at least a decent userbase they have to support the Wii U for a decent time. If they can't even keep the small Wii U userbase happy, then I don't see how their next home console will have a better start than the Wii U itself.
Why do you assume that releasing a new home console is going to fix everything? Third-party isn't magically coming back, neither is the console guaranteed of a large userbase. I wouldn't be surprised if it were N64/GCN/WiiU numbers all over again.
1. Console lifespans are typically around 5 or 6 years, so 2016/2017 is an appropriate time to move on to next gen.
2. The lineup for both 3DS and Wii U feel like they're winding down as most of Nintendo's IPs have been exhausted on both consoles. There's only a couple of major IPs on Wii U that haven't had a game yet, and even less for 3DS, and Nintendo rarely double dips on IPs for any given console. So there's not much left for 8th gen can do that would be worth dragging out their lifespan for another 3+ years.
3. It makes zero business sense to share details about a console that isn't releasing for 2+ years, that gives the competition too much time to copy what you're doing (and Microsoft and Sony will jump on any opportunity to copy Nintendo's gimmicks to render them obsolete, they've already done so with the Wii and Wii U).
3. It makes zero business sense to share details about a console that isn't releasing for 2+ years, that gives the competition too much time to copy what you're doing (and Microsoft and Sony will jump on any opportunity to copy Nintendo's gimmicks to render them obsolete, they've already done so with the Wii and Wii U).
When did they ever release details about the NX? I don't think they did...
They think it's coming soon cause it was announced.
People think anything that's announced is right around the corner!
Just look at Kingdom Hearts 3 for example, we still probably got like another 3 years (or more knowing Square Enix) yet because it was announced to be in development everyone thinks it's coming very soon.
There's a ton of people I've met who said "Amazon said it's coming out December 31, 2015 so there!"
The lineup for both 3DS and Wii U feel like they're winding down as most of Nintendo's IPs have been exhausted on both consoles. There's only a couple of major IPs on Wii U that haven't had a game yet, and even less for 3DS, and Nintendo rarely double dips on IPs for any given console. So there's not much left for 8th gen can do that would be worth dragging out their lifespan for another 3+ years.
For 3DS? Fair call. We've got a portable Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart and even Smash. We've got Golf and Tennis and we've even got Star Fox, two Zelda ports, Luigi's Mansion and they brought Kid Icarus back from the dead. Yoshi, Kirby and the New 3DS even got Xenoblade. It's got Fire Emblem now more than once and obviously it's got all of the Pokemans. I don't know what else there could be. They are for sure running out.
But on the Wii U? eh. There's Star Fox, Zelda, Yoshi and Xenoblade obviously out soon. 3D Mario, Wario, Punchout and Mario Strikers we don't have but might not get. Metroid, Animal Crossing, Mario Tennis/Golf and Paper Mario? I'd kinda be surprised if we don't get them. Then there's the potential for them to do something with Kid Icarus or Luigi's Mansion given they revived them on 3DS. There's quite a bit there they could do.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
The time for big titles like a 3D Mario adventure and Metroid was two years ago. These games (along with Wave Race, F-zero, Pokemon, and more) are just not coming to WiiU, ever. The platform was built around 2D platformers and launched with Nintendo Land. Nintendo was after casuals from the beginning and they are continuing to release games intended to capture the family market (Splatoon, Toad, Yoshi) but they are missing the family market because there is nothing for the adult male in the family. To hit the family market you have to have variety to encourage the alpha male to go out and purchase the console for his own entertainment. The thought of, "Ah, Splatoon will be great to play WITH the kids," comes after the thought, "METROID!"
The question that needs to be asked is why do WiiU owners assume Nintendo should continue supporting the hardware for periods equal to or longer than N64 or GameCube?
Because if they want to start their next home console with at least a decent userbase they have to support the Wii U for a decent time. If they can't even keep the small Wii U userbase happy, then I don't see how their next home console will have a better start than the Wii U itself.
Why do you assume that releasing a new home console is going to fix everything? Third-party isn't magically coming back, neither is the console guaranteed of a large userbase. I wouldn't be surprised if it were N64/GCN/WiiU numbers all over again.
It makes no sense to value 10 million WiiU owners over the 80% of the market that still hasn't adopted a next gen console (and we all know aren't going to buy a WiiU).
WiiU owners should only assume that Nintendo will support it until their launch software is ready for NX (and I expect they began on Mario X a year and a half ago after 3D World released). Software is the only measuring stick you need. I anticipate the next Mario will be ready by next fall.
The WiiU user base is never going to be happy. The platform has been a wasteland for third party support. And then WiiU users chase down developers on their company forums or twitter and hound them over cancelling WiiU versions. A vocal minority of Nintendo fans are making the whole lot look bad and they are damaging Nintendo's chances of rebooting relations with third parties.
NX fixes things because it's a whole new start with a totally different platform (hopefully, with lots of advantages over the systems that launched three years before it). Pouring more funds into WiiU is not going to fix the software support issues.
It makes no sense to value 10 million WiiU owners over the 80% of the market that still hasn't adopted a next gen console (and we all know aren't going to buy a WiiU).
At least half of them are Nintendo's most loyal customers, you do not screw over your most loyal customers. But then your imaginary business degree should already have told you that
I'm happy. I have so many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party games on my backlog that I'm going to be busy for years, and I doubt I'm the only one. Wrong statement is wrong
but they are missing the family market because there is nothing for the adult male in the family. To hit the family market you have to have variety to encourage the alpha male to go out and purchase the console for his own entertainment. The thought of, "Ah, Splatoon will be great to play WITH the kids," comes after the thought, "METROID!"
NX fixes things because it's a whole new start with a totally different platform (hopefully, with lots of advantages over the systems that launched three years before it). Pouring more funds into WiiU is not going to fix the software support issues.
You assume that a new console (which isn't the NX) will automatically attract the bigger studios
WiiU owners aren't getting screwed over. Nintendo has funneled three years of losses into this console supplying it with software when it was selling 50k units a month and every third party ran out on them.
If you're happy with the first party titles then why do you think you're getting screwed?
Why do you assume NX won't attract third parties again? There is no conspiracy against Nintendo in the industry. Third parties abandoned the console because the bottom dropped out on sales, the early adopters weren't participating in online games (which led to no DLC support), the graphical limitations and PPC architecture came to make WiiU ports more expensive than the high end versions, and ultimately Nintendo didn't build a first party software lineup to attract the type of gamers that would buy a COD, GTA, Elder Scrolls, etc.
Anybody that says WiiU doesn't have a third party issue is living on another planet.
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